Tren A Homebrew issue cloudy after heat

[ttt1187]

Whats going on guys, well after a unseen vacation (6+months)lol, I came back and decided I was gonna brew from now on, cost wise makes soo much sense. Did a little trial run with Test P usinn 2/20% BA/BB in gso 40ml’s worth at 100mg, anyways I waited to brew the rest of my raws till I got my vials caps etc… so I brewed a batch of tren A 100ml of 100mg/ml in Miglyol840 using 1.5/15% BA/BB, of course like a little kid I couldn’t wait and did it as fast as possible, I had all of the other vials sealed in a container and 1 to use immediately( I was waiting for crimper in the mail) now out of the 10 vials the 1 I used when i looked the next morning, it seems as if moisture might have gotten in(like little bubbles that would settle on bottom) its been 3 days since, the 9 other are sealed golden yellow and great, of course not being able to leave the vial I was using with the bubbles I proceeded to read on possibly baking it using a needle as a vent… so I placed the vented vial in the oven at 250f for 10 mins. periodically when I opened the door to look, it seemed as if the bubbles were rising to the top and evaporating. It came out crystal clear, same color etc. I placed the vial in the cabinet and when I went to check on it and to relieve any pressure build up from cooling… it was completely cloudy? WTF, ran it under hot sink water became crystal clear then back to cloudy 1 min after removing from the water… now my question is

1. WTH happened? is this vial fucked?
2. I started thinking about how I brewed it and that being I placed the BA and BB in the Beaker added tren raws then the Migylol and placed it into almost boiling water inside a pot, I let it sit, stirring occasionally till it was crystal clear, technically doesn’t that mean that everything went smoothly once it turns clear? how long roughly do you really need to keep it on once its crystal clear? and I know I shouldn’t have been cheap and skip out on the hotplate & thermometer, I guess that’s what I get for rushing. Is my Gear still good?
3. got the rest of test P and Test E to make and I don’t really feel like making the same mistake twice, also anybody have any experience with miglyol840 and what concentrates of Ba/BB to use for test p and test e, I probably could have used less than 15% BB on the tren in Mig but it was the one raw I was gonna be using personally, didn’t really have time for the trial and error or experimenting either, also couldn’t wait to start lol
4. Last one was even tho the miglyol came from medlab, should I boil the oil before I use it? Came across it while reading but its not mentioned much, Also yes everything was ran through a .22 fliter

Any feedback would be much much appreciated Thanks Guys

 

[Jeff007]

It could be moisture. If that is the case it’s going to take more than 10 minutes to get rid of any moisture.

2% BA is standard for antiseptic purposes.

No pressure is built up during cooling.

Water and oil don’t mix…get a hot plate.

Didnt mention anything about your Procedure for sterilizing vials? Possible water contamination from improper technique.

Time to toss that vial and open another one to check for any moisture in those. Hopefully that vial is the only one.

Do not boil oil. That’s ridiculous.

You mention the Tren is the only one you will be using personally. What are you doing with the other Test E and Test P? Paper weights?

I sure as fuck hope you don’t plan to sell them since your not to worried about them. You know…since you won’t be using them personally.

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

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It could be moisture. If that is the case it’s going to take more than 10 minutes to get rid of any moisture.

2% BA is standard for antiseptic purposes.

No pressure is built up during cooling.

Water and oil don’t mix…get a hot plate.

Didnt mention anything about your Procedure for sterilizing vials? Possible water contamination from improper technique.

Time to toss that vial and open another one to check for any moisture in those. Hopefully that vial is the only one.

Do not boil oil. That’s ridiculous.

You mention the Tren is the only one you will be using personally. What are you doing with the other Test E and Test P? Paper weights?

I sure as fuck hope you don’t plan to sell them since your not to worried about them. You know…since you won’t be using them personally.

I’m just cosigning Jeff here. Also get a fucking hot plate, even the shit Chinese ones are a million times better than what you did.

Tren A should be brewed by letting it sit in BB for a bit to mostly dissolve, then gently heat it while it spins, I keep mine around 100-115f.

 

[ttt1187]

Hot plate noted, vials I bathed in iso alcohol for 10 mins rinsed with distilled water and
Microwaved for 7 mins. Stoppers and caps I bathed in iso alcohol rinsed in distilled and put them on aluminum foil that I scrubbed with the iso also… immediately placed stoppers on the vials as soon as they were done in the microwave,… would only put the oven on low and checked periodically. Being I had nothing to lose I heated that vial again so I could remove the mixture and place it in a beaker… I read how a lot of people had problems with cloudy Tren A, that it was like a manufacturing problem with the raws and they would separate from there esters and that people would throw in a bit of another compound which seemed to help the Tren bind again… idk like I said worth a shot so I thought I would make a blend of Tren a test p. When I went to add .1 of Ba to the beaker and added some more MiG, I noticed it cleared right up… added the BB and test p and held great( I know hotplate!!! But instead of risking moisture I placed in oven on low constantly checking and stirring) while I was at it I said might as well throw one of my two doses of dbol for the day in there too… pretty much for shits and giggles, cut back on mls and separate vial pulls. Took a little more time than the prop to dissolve but it’s been holding for 7+ hours and pip free shot in the delt, I was able to work it out to 45/60/20 TrenA/TestP/Dbol…2/12.5 BA/BB MiG… also made the test E today at stand 250mg/ML and did 2/10 BA/BB just to be safe. Made sure not to heat to much as to the low melting point of Teat E…
Now question is once the powder if fully dissolved in the oil/ solvents does it take on a new melting point being the oils and solvents are way higher?
Once in the oil if I were to redue the Tren I made just to be sure, could it stand higher temps than it 97-98 degree melting point in powder form? Or keeping it about 110 115 would be the safest way… I ment more so for these other vials of Tren that I might pop open as a precautionary…
All of the other vials have absolutely no bubbles and are crystal clear
I should have clarified original plan was rest p and Tren dbol, bought the extra raws for cruising future cycles and yes maybe getting rid of a couple here and there to possibly cycle cruise for free and even maybe some profit for that bright new shiny hot plate lol…

 

[ttt1187]

@“Jeff007” ,@“Brochacho_Prime” , question being that everything is still good on majority of the vials, there’s about 5, guessing they were the last 5, being that there’s water bubbles that are on the bottom … I’m guessing being that it was brewed and heated at the correct temp and when it was cooling the condensation from the water must have gotten in… clearly… fml… now my question is what would be the best way to save it? Being that the water settles on the bottom should I just pull everything out above it the best I can, either way I know I’m gonna lose a few mls here and there but basically, do you guys think being that it hasn’t crashed or gotten cloudy at all, I don’t wanna add heat like I did with that first vial which turned it cloudy cause I’m guessing the moisture caused it to crash and even though I think I had saved it when I cut it and added more oil BA BB and 2 other compounds I prob degraded the Tren… basically what would you guys do in this situation?? Please done tell me I’m fucked and to toss them… can post pics if needed thanks

 

[Jeff007]

Should have allowed them to cool without the stoppers. Put tinfoil on the tops of vials and heat in the oven at 400° for 45min-1hr. Once cool fill and cap.

My suggestion is to pull as much of the oil out without getting the water. Then dump the water back into a beaker and reheat it at like 250° keeping an eye on it and stirring. Can use the stovetop and heat in a dry pan.

Refilter and use new clean and DRY vials/stoppers.

 

[ttt1187]

Well loss maybe 3 to 4 ml. Sucked everything out let oil in oven at 140 for for a few mins… cooled and still perfect… refliltered in new vials good your saying to take the 4 to ml of water mixture that was at the bottom and put that on the stove ? Is it possible the water contains some of the Tren like I said tops maybe 5 ml between the 8 bottles but everything else was great… I really think the moisture got into to it after everything was completely dissolved in the ba bb and mig cause one vial that had the most water bubbles I decided to run it under hot water and when it cooled it went clear cloudy and there moisture all over the bottle and bubbles on the bottom… anyways at least it worked out for the best and wasn’t a loss… my question though is how water soluble is Tren… like that 5ml with all the water … could water have removed the concentration away from the MiG… I’m guessing not being that the Tren already mixed with everything and became a stable solution correct?