Tren recomp on maintenance ckals

[Booker]

Im this big, 200lbs 5’11" →

https://imgur.com/YZNVBj1

Im sick and tired of bulking. I look like shit and one of the girls i was seeing actually told me i look butt ugly during my bulk. Shes right, i do.

Considering the body pic above, how much tren should i run to continue building muscle on maintenance calories? Im thinking 500mg atleast

 

[effswithtren]

Have you ran tren before? If not, you may want to tread lightly.

 

[EpicFlash]

What are you bulking with? If they are wet compounds, you may just be holding a lot of water/bloating. Why not consider something more mild like mast? Maybe a lowered test base with a decent masteron and a mild oral like VAR ? You appear to have a low enough BF that a cycle with mast and moderate test would really shine for you.

 

[Booker]

@effswithtren I did yes, for a cut. 250mg per week, had zero side effects

 

[Booker]

@EpicFlash Test and deca usually.
“Why not consider something more mild like mast?” I dont see why i should run a weak anabolic when im trying to gain muscle. But yes i did try to run stuff like mast and var to reduce bloat but when i gain fat i look look shit and ugly with or without bloat (talking about my face here). The DHTs do help but sooner or later the fat gain will make me look bad either way, nom sayin?
If i was to do maintenance ckals, i could stay low bodyfat which in itself will help with bloat. Tren is dry too and actually effective at building muscle without a calorie surplus.

I know i sound like a bitch but it isnt fun to run around like an ugly, unhealthy bloated moonfaced gorilla for months and months. Exspecially when i see a girl i actually like, i hate presenting myself to her like this everyday.

 

[effswithtren]

250mg tren is enough for some great nutrient partitioning and a decent amount of bending the rule with regards to traditional “bulk/cut” bro lore. Usually the more tren the more you can bend those rules, hence the recomp strategies people see on higher doses. The problem is that sides add up pretty quickly in the 300-400+ territory, which is where those recomps are usually found.

Maybe you’ll have better luck, but I’ve never found recomps particularly efficient. Usually you’re better served by just picking a road.

 

[EpicFlash]

@Booker you seem pretty hell bent on running it. And of course that works…I was just suggesting another route given your current BF. 350 test/500 mast and TBOL could be a nice dry cycle that you may like… just wondering though…if you plan to be at maintenance, what is going synthesize into muscle? I totally get ur thinking…been there before…but also finally realized that dropping a cpl percent BF and drying out gave me the look I wanted…a tighter fuller look

 

[Booker]

@EpicFlash said in Tren recomp on maintenance ckals:

@Booker you seem pretty hell bent on running it. And of course that works…I was just suggesting another route given your current BF. 350 test/500 mast and TBOL could be a nice dry cycle that you may like… just wondering though…if you plan to be at maintenance, what is going synthesize into muscle? I totally get ur thinking…been there before…but also finally realized that dropping a cpl percent BF and drying out gave me the look I wanted…a tighter fuller look

“if you plan to be at maintenance, what is going synthesize into muscle?”.
Well thats where tren comes into play and is supposed to bent the rules, like so many people claim it can.

“but also finally realized that dropping a cpl percent BF and drying out gave me the look I wanted…a tighter fuller look”.
Whenever i cut down i look great but im just a couple pounds of lean tissue away from having the mass im happy with. Just a couple more and i fill out my frame and my clothes like i want it to.

 

[EpicFlash]

@Booker well you seem determined bro… and it sounds like you have a fair amount of experience… and I know it works…lol…just got done doing exactly what you are proposing to do… so guess it is hypocritical of me to try to discourage you. Ok . Well try short esters (prop) 50/50/50 test/mast/tren. ED. Should get you where u want to get with minimal sides. I add 25mg of proviron ED that helps with libido and seems to help the psycho tren sides.

 

[Booker]

@EpicFlash Yeah all im trying to figure out is if i need alot of tren to go along with my plan. Some people say you need alot of tren to make a recomp worthwhile and effective. Others say 200mg per per week is enough. Taking a minimum amount is obviously preferable but on the other hand i would hate to waste my time

 

[EpicFlash]

@Booker
The suggested protocol I gave above has worked every time for me as a good cycle to run after a wet bulk And 350tren prop is certainly not a light dose. Especially if you haven’t run it before . Tbol is a nice dry oral that would also help .

 

[Booker]

@EpicFlash I love Tbol. Its actually one of those “perfect” compounds in my eyes but to make it worthwhile i would need to run dosages that would get quite expensive. Tren obviously too but that shit is toxic and makes my skin look awful, but then its kind of needed for a good recomp. Anadrol would be a good choice but i bloat on it at higher dosages just like i do on wet compounds.

 

[Mstew7358]

Bruh sounds like you have some mental shit to work on. People on tren don’t look the healthiest either so I wouldn’t expect to look a ton better. Maybe just bulk on drier compounds? Or find a girl who doesn’t insult you and say you’re ugly lmao

Recomp is kinda a waste of time but you do you.

 

[DILDINATORvBoii]

@Mstew7358 I second what this man says. I’m pushing 250 and can barley see abs. If my water and sodium aren’t in check it looks like I have nuts in my mouth. My girl tells me I’m the sexiest man alive every day. Being chunky is part of it lol

 

[Poopyfart]

@Booker

Dude, you’re lean. Fuck that judgemental whore.

Tren is great. Start low and work higher if you can hang LOL. Start at 50mg EOD to 50mg ED and re-asess monthly. Next step would be 75,100,125,150 so on and so forth.

I’ve ran 1400mg before but only lasted a week. Id say 700 is the golden spot for maximum effects. More isn’t really worth the sides and after some time is loses its effectiveness.

 

[Booker]

@Mstew7358 I have nothing to work on. Fat and bloat looks extra ugly on me and unlike you, i care about looking my best for a girl i deem valueable.

 

[Booker]

@Poopyfart My body is lean thats not what shes talking about, my face isnt. She is right, i look horrible in this bloated state and i dislike it more than she does. You guys are acting like a bunch of women right now. If your girl got fat and you feel like pointing it out, would you like her to take the criticism or lash out in anger and call you a piece of shit? Chill out, honesty is part of a relationship.

 

[Booker]

@Poopyfart Did you try to build mass on tren + maintenance ckals?

 

[Poopyfart]

@Booker

If you’ve never ran tren before its GREAT at nutrient partitioning.

Most steroids increase protein turnover rate by increasing protein assimilation.

Tren actually lowers protein assimilation but raises net protein turnover rate by stopping protein degradation.

There are also many other pathways for growth outside of this, i.e. binding to cortisol receptors, the androgen receptor, and ofcourse raising IGF1 and IGF4.

I’d say you could definitely add mass with a good “maintenance” diet… Given you aren’t a little bitch and know how to train, which by the looks of it you do.

 

[Booker]

@Poopyfart I’ve run it before for a cut, zero sides.
Yeah its nutrient partitioning is the reason why its supposed to be the only compound that can make a recomp worthwhile.
How much protein would you recommend for my goal? I usually always go with 1g/lb of bodyweight but perhaps i should eat more because im not in a ckal surplus. Noob question i know but i never did anything besides bulking on a blast.