Troubleshooting Gyno

[MikeAlstott]

My most recent blast was 560 Test/560 DHB/350 NPP and 25-40 DBol ED for the first 4 weeks. Exactly 4 weeks in my right nipple began to hurt, I felt it and there was a lump there, left one was smaller. At this time I was not on any AI, so I immediately began Aromasin 12.5mg 2x a week and Nolvadex 20 mg ED as well as dropping the DBol. About 2 weeks later I switched to Ralox 50 mg ED as Nolva was giving me some weird sides. Ralox seems to treat me well, only noticeable side is sweating as I sleep, possibly because I take it at night.

Anyways I have been on the SERMs for almost 3 months now. Blast ended about a month ago and I am currently cruising. My left nipple gyno has completely dissipated, although not much there to begin with. My right nipple gyno has cleared up quite a bit, although I still feel a small lump in there. I feel that it has made some good progress this past month in clearing up.

I’m asking you guys for any advice and/or tips you might have on this matter. Should I continue the 50 mg Ralox ED since I seem to be making good progress? Would throwing in some Aromasin help at all? I guess I’m just a bit paranoid as I’ve never experienced any gyno before this blast (thanks to the DBol and me not using AI, I felt great otherwise). The gyno is not noticeable really, just sort of bugs me because I never had any lumps before. I don’t think anyone else would even notice it if I showed them, it’s just the small lump that I can feel with my fingers that bugs me lol. Is there a point where the SERMs and AI can’t help anymore and I’m just stuck with the lump unless surgery intervention?

Thanks in advance fellas.

 

[BBT]

@MikeAlstott I’m not sure you’ll be able to get rid of it at this point. I have the same problem and live with it. It’s not really noticeable when my shirt off. I think mine was caused by NPP. From now on I take Aromasin and Caber when running test with a 19-nor.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@BBT So surgery is most likely the only option at this point to completely get rid of it? I’m pretty sure the DBol caused mine with the lack of AI. I’ve run NPP a few times before and never had an issue. I honestly thought I would have other high estrogenic sides before gyno… You live and you learn.

 

[TreyJames]

Ralox helped me which gyno, along with lowering my body fat, that was at 60mg ED. In fact for 3 whole months my nips weren’t sensitive or puffy or anything. However when I came off it, it was back to my permanent gyno. I had gyno surgery last year around June. Since then I just run 10mg Nolva with all my cycles and until I get my trt with HCG dialed in, now I have no issue at all. Ralox does amazing work with gyno. Unfortunately in my experience it’s not a permanent solution. Once you have the surgery do not make the mistake of thinking the “gland is gone” it’s not, just do everything right with preventing gyno and you’ll be fine. I’m in Cali and got my surgery for 4500, that was awake surgery. It’s not bad, the only part that sucks is the initial numbing, it’s a 3 inch 20g needle that they shove into your chest all around your nipple quite a few times. It numbs up quick though.

 

[Tug]

@MikeAlstott hey man lower to a trt dose for a few months. You gotta starve the nipples. My TRT dose was too high so I titrated down and micro dosed aromasin til I felt no tenderness and lumps subsided. It kinda sucks lowering test but ultimately all my health markers improved.

I suggest taking gyno seriously, because when it appears it fucking ruins your whole look. All that time in the gym just for some milkers? Hell nah. Listen to your body and take this opportunity to improve overall health. If you have gyno that’s not the only thing that is out of wack. Cheers!

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Tug_ Thanks for the tip and after doing some more research that makes sense. My cruise is a bit high right now so I will lower it and dial in an Aromasin dosage. Is it possible mine is solidified permanently now because it’s been a whole three months? Being on a SERM that whole time though maybe has prevented it from solidifying? Mine is really small now but I’d like to get rid of it completely if possible…

 

[Tug]

@MikeAlstott if this is the first time seeing it and it’s only been 3 months then you can still lower how much test you’re aromatizing to shrink the gland and if you maintain the right T/E ratio afterward then they will be very dormant and tiny.

In my experience you don’t have to go overboard with aromasin right away to nuke it. If your nips are tender and you feel little hard rubber marbles under the nipples you have gyno that needs surgery. But! Usually you can just keep it really small with meds and diet. Unless you’re a fucking retard and start a cycle with no AI then you don’t need to worry as much. Raloxifene shrinks it visibly, quickly. Best serm for gyno imho.

It just helps to know why it’s happening. Estrogen is too high and your body is primed for growth, breasts inbound! I’m gyno prone, even my cruise dose of 140mg and 100ius/ed of hcg will get it going without aromasin or dropping test dose.

Hope that helps

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Tug_ Dude, thanks a lot for the tips. I first noticed it about 3 months ago when I was 1 month into my blast. Pretty sure DBol and no AI for the first few weeks was responsible, I usually wait a bit to start my AI on blasts and first time using DBol, didn’t understand how fast it aromatizes. That’s when I immediately dropped DBol and hopped on Nolva and Aromasin, then switched to Ralox after a few weeks when I started feeling a bit weird thinking it was the Nolva.

It’s sort of this soft lump of tissue now that I can feel if I use my fingers, not noticeable really or protruding in any way, just annoying to me. It’s nice to know someone else does the 100 IU HCG ED, that’s what I’ve been doing too. Now that I’ve been on cruise for about a month, I just started 12.5 mg Aromasin 2x a week to see if that maybe will help knock it down a bit. Someone suggested I try “front loading” Nolva at 80 - 100 mg for 4-7 days to get rid of it… Does that even sound right? Seems like a lot, but thinking it might be worth a shot for the short duration.