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Tutanota No Longer Secure?

halfjack

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I suggest using PGP with Tutanota moving forward.

According to a ruling by the Itzehoe (Germany) district court, the email provider Tutanota will have to allow investigators to access suspects’ emails unencrypted after receiving the court order. The German company had not complied with a first request made in October 2018.

Tutanota should let authorities monitor chats in real time

The district court of Itzehoe asked Tutanota to make the e-mails of suspects available to the police unencrypted and in real time. Tutanota was sentenced to obey court orders in the future. In its ruling, the local court refers to Tutanota’s obligation to disclose data for investigation purposes in accordance with the Criminal Procedure Code § 100a and the Telecommunications Act § 11. In addition, a fine of 1,000 euros was imposed. The management of the e-mail provider announced that they would not continue to defend themselves legally against this order.

The proceedings took place after cyber criminals threatened several companies with their malware last year and communicated with the companies via Tutanota. The police demanded full access to the e-mails in order to carry out their investigations. However, Tutanota has encrypted all customer data by default. This also applies to the user’s calendar, notes or cloud storage. All e-mails from one Tutanota customer to another are also automatically encrypted, similar to Protonmail.

Authorities demand their own backdoor

The German provider advertises itself as the “world’s safest e-mail service”. Six million customers now use the service, many of which have a free account. Tutanota must now set up a kind of official backdoor in order to avoid further fines, so that the police can immediately access the suspects’ e-mails after receiving the court letter. CEO Matthias Pfau told that instead he would rather concentrate on completely different things than give the authorities extended access rights.

EU e-mail providers not very popular in certain circles

For cybercriminals, this news is no accident. Every year, the German competitor Posteo voluntarily admits the number of official LE-inquiries in its transparency report. For years, Posteo had also unsuccessfully tried to defend itself in court against the disclosure of the data.

Anyone who wants to break German law rarely uses a provider within Europe anyway. In the digital underground, the e-mail services of offshore companies or Russian e-mail providers have long been highly popular. Where no EU legislation is in place, no operator can be forced to disclose customer data by court order.

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/159782/...nota-moet-toegang-geven-tot-inhoud-mails.html
 
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ForgotMuhName

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Buying drugs online has never been a safe or secure process. The unlucky ones will get popped regardless of what they do to try hiding their identity, their orders, address, etc. You’re legitimately no more likely to get busted buying gear with a credit card and a Yahoo email address than you are using crypto and proto/tuta.
 
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Masterofron

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Secure or not, Tutanota sucks ass. They don’t even offer a fully functioning search unless you buy a pro account, and both their website version and mobile app still look like they were made in 2005.


Edit* They look and WORK like they were made in 2005…
 
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Dexter

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Tuta is only used if a source demands it. I don’t like it. Proton all the way for me.

As for getting busted as a customer using an encrypted email service, that’s extremely unlikely, almost completely impossible. And no one in their right mind uses Gmail for anything, there is no privacy as long as google monopolizes the web and everything else.

Like we’ve mentioned before, it’s the USPS that is your highest risk. Those people sourcing lots of packs or the individual getting lots of international shipments that eventually get discovered, even then an investigation has to be started.

And when you consider the process for screening at customs or domestically, we aren’t on the radar like narcotics. Our shit gets nabbed and they toss it. Now of course if you’ve got 30 kilos of raws, then it’s obvious you’re doing some risky stuff, best to pack up your operation and lay low for a few years.
 
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MikeAlstott

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ForgotMuhName" pid='74669' dateline='1573669772:
… You’re legitimately no more likely to get busted buying gear with a credit card and a Yahoo email address than you are using crypto and proto/tuta.
That’s just not true or logical. Think about it. If someone knows what they’re doing it’s nearly impossible to track them down. If someone is using their personal Yahoo address with their own credit card that’s such a low hanging fruit it’s almost laughable.
 
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Dexter

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MikeAlstott" pid='74702' dateline='1573696598:
ForgotMuhName" pid='74669' dateline='1573669772:
… You’re legitimately no more likely to get busted buying gear with a credit card and a Yahoo email address than you are using crypto and proto/tuta.
That’s just not true or logical. Think about it. If someone knows what they’re doing it’s nearly impossible to track them down. If someone is using their personal Yahoo address with their own credit card that’s such a low hanging fruit it’s almost laughable.
The real purpose is to keep our domestic sources safe. If a customer puts in a few orders each year for gear using a credit card and gmail, probably nothing would come of it, but obviously the source would have to be an idiot.

The thing saving us is that we aren’t narcotics. Sure the DEA loves a nice steroid lab bust as they can sensationalize it and market it like they saved the world from all these muscled up men and women that are menacing their local planet fitness.
 
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dudebro73

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Reading this it appears is only German LE that can demand access, correct? So if you’re not a German citizen it shouldn’t be of any consequence?
 
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Masterofron

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MikeAlstott" pid='74702' dateline='1573696598:
ForgotMuhName" pid='74669' dateline='1573669772:
… You’re legitimately no more likely to get busted buying gear with a credit card and a Yahoo email address than you are using crypto and proto/tuta.
That’s just not true or logical. Think about it. If someone knows what they’re doing it’s nearly impossible to track them down. If someone is using their personal Yahoo address with their own credit card that’s such a low hanging fruit it’s almost laughable.
Sorry buddy but no amount of cyber security can protect an online drug dealer from LE. If they want them, they will get them. It doesn’t matter if they use proton or yahoo, etc…
dudebro73" pid='74725' dateline='1573733688:
Reading this it appears is only German LE that can demand access, correct? So if you’re not a German citizen it shouldn’t be of any consequence?
That’s exactly what I got from this lol…
 
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Dexter

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I don’t know about most people on here, but I make a new proton account for each order and after the order is received I close out my accounts with the source and proton and open another account for my next order.

I doubt it makes a difference, but after that twerp on meso got some accounts used for international orders and posted them I feel it safer to use an account only once.
 
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Crime_Dawg

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Dexter" pid='74738' dateline='1573747028:
I don’t know about most people on here, but I make a new proton account for each order and after the order is received I close out my accounts with the source and proton and open another account for my next order.

I doubt it makes a difference, but after that twerp on meso got some accounts used for international orders and posted them I feel it safer to use an account only once.
Fuck no I don’t bother doing any of that shit and neither should you.
 
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MikeAlstott

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Masterofron" pid='74731' dateline='1573743515:
MikeAlstott" pid='74702' dateline='1573696598:
ForgotMuhName" pid='74669' dateline='1573669772:
… You’re legitimately no more likely to get busted buying gear with a credit card and a Yahoo email address than you are using crypto and proto/tuta.
That’s just not true or logical. Think about it. If someone knows what they’re doing it’s nearly impossible to track them down. If someone is using their personal Yahoo address with their own credit card that’s such a low hanging fruit it’s almost laughable.
Sorry buddy but no amount of cyber security can protect an online drug dealer from LE. If they want them, they will get them. It doesn’t matter if they use proton or yahoo, etc…
dudebro73" pid='74725' dateline='1573733688:
Reading this it appears is only German LE that can demand access, correct? So if you’re not a German citizen it shouldn’t be of any consequence?
That’s exactly what I got from this lol…
Sorry buddy, but I was talking about personal usage buyers. Secondly, “…no amount of cyber security…” mega stanozololz. Just shows how much you know on the subject. Thirdly, I said “nearly impossible” because there’s always potential ways to get caught. And yes, it does matter if someone uses encrypted email vs non-encrypted/yahoo email.
 
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Masterofron

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MikeAlstott" pid='74767' dateline='1573772419:
Masterofron" pid='74731' dateline='1573743515:
MikeAlstott" pid='74702' dateline='1573696598:
ForgotMuhName" pid='74669' dateline='1573669772:
… You’re legitimately no more likely to get busted buying gear with a credit card and a Yahoo email address than you are using crypto and proto/tuta.
That’s just not true or logical. Think about it. If someone knows what they’re doing it’s nearly impossible to track them down. If someone is using their personal Yahoo address with their own credit card that’s such a low hanging fruit it’s almost laughable.
Sorry buddy but no amount of cyber security can protect an online drug dealer from LE. If they want them, they will get them. It doesn’t matter if they use proton or yahoo, etc…
dudebro73" pid='74725' dateline='1573733688:
Reading this it appears is only German LE that can demand access, correct? So if you’re not a German citizen it shouldn’t be of any consequence?
That’s exactly what I got from this lol…
Sorry buddy, but I was talking about personal usage buyers. Secondly, “…no amount of cyber security…” mega stanozololz. Just shows how much you know on the subject. Thirdly, I said “nearly impossible” because there’s always potential ways to get caught. And yes, it does matter if someone uses encrypted email vs non-encrypted/yahoo email.
@“Janoshik” Have a laugh
 
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