VIPER FLEX AND AZTECA GOLD REVIEW

[DLft12]

Since my account is not 2 months old yet, I just want to talk about my experience with both of these sources. I’m only being open and honest about my experience, I have blood work results on hand for both sources so if moderators are okay and the sources would like to see, i’d be happy to share.

01/23/2023, Azteca Gold, Test C 250mg, I cruised on this dose for several months with no AI or ancillarys. My test levels were at 2800ng/dl and estradiol was at 128pg/ml. Felt great, bloodwork results were phenominal at this dose. Though, I could have used some aromasin.

09/27/2023, Viper Flex, Test E 500mg tapered up to 750mg for 1 month, on this dose I was using 0.5 arimidex EOD which was my first time using adex (im an aromasin guy), test levels were 2690 ng/dl and estradiol was 43 pg/ml. Now, I have been using gear for almost 7 years. I have never used a dose above 500mg (Test C or E) that has set me below 3000ng/dl. I got Vipers Flex test during a BOGO which he did not honor and charged regular price for just the 3 vials that I got. (Probably because my order was small and he only honors it for bigger orders). I have nothing against Viper Flex as I have used his gear prior (deca) with good results. But this is flat out disappointing, I really feel like I wasted the last 3 months as I did not get the typical results I am used to receiving. I don’t know if it was an issue with the batch and thats why he had a BOGO or if this is a fluke. Not good results or bloodwork at all.

@azteca @viper-flex

 

[Pajama_88]

This is interesting and concerning. I say interesting because historically the bloodwork results posted here are pretty consistent with properly dosed test, (like 4.5-6.5x multiplier is what ive seen at least).

I just started 500 test 400 primo from viper yester, hopefully this is just a fluke because I only have so much time before I need to start prep, and would hate to waste my time.

 

[Pajama_88]

@viper-flex Want to weigh in on this?

 

[viper-flex]

Since my account is not 2 months old yet, I just want to talk about my experience with both of these sources. I’m only being open and honest about my experience, I have blood work results on hand for both sources so if moderators are okay and the sources would like to see, i’d be happy to share.

01/23/2023, Azteca Gold, Test C 250mg, I cruised on this dose for several months with no AI or ancillarys. My test levels were at 2800ng/dl and estradiol was at 128pg/ml. Felt great, bloodwork results were phenominal at this dose. Though, I could have used some aromasin.

09/27/2023, Viper Flex, Test E 500mg tapered up to 750mg for 1 month, on this dose I was using 0.5 arimidex EOD which was my first time using adex (im an aromasin guy), test levels were 2690 ng/dl and estradiol was 43 pg/ml. Now, I have been using gear for almost 7 years. I have never used a dose above 500mg (Test C or E) that has set me below 3000ng/dl. I got Vipers Flex test during a BOGO which he did not honor and charged regular price for just the 3 vials that I got. (Probably because my order was small and he only honors it for bigger orders). I have nothing against Viper Flex as I have used his gear prior (deca) with good results. But this is flat out disappointing, I really feel like I wasted the last 3 months as I did not get the typical results I am used to receiving. I don’t know if it was an issue with the batch and thats why he had a BOGO or if this is a fluke. Not good results or bloodwork at all.

@azteca @viper-flex

Thanks for sharing your experience. Our focus is to help members get the results and gains they seek. We are happy to hear you had a good experience with AG's TC as that is to be expected, they are a great source and a mentor of ours. When reviewing your experience theres a lot of variables to consider that can help identify the different responses between the 2 compounds like when doing gear for long term (7 yrs) the body will build a tolerance along with different reactions over time to these compounds and it could be that you may respond more to TC then TE, either way we'd like to help you accomplish the gains you seek and with that being said we'd like to provide you some free samples of our TC to see if you have a similar response. All of our products are tested with great results. I think it would be interesting to see how your levels turn out. Overall our goal is member satisfaction. Send us an email with your sst user name and we can assist you further. Best regards - VF

 

[viper-flex]

This is interesting and concerning. I say interesting because historically the bloodwork results posted here are pretty consistent with properly dosed test, (like 4.5-6.5x multiplier is what ive seen at least).

I just started 500 test 400 primo from viper yester, hopefully this is just a fluke because I only have so much time before I need to start prep, and would hate to waste my time.

Individual body response is the key word of the day. I know individuals who do less then 500 mg and have higher levels of test on their bloodwork and visa versa. Its all based upon individual body response and so many other factors from diet, sleep etc... , something as simple as time of pinning difference between the 2 test can easily alter results, also if someone is cruising the whole time the body will build a tolerance, and if your going to up the dose after cruising, to something you used to do in past cycles and expect the same response in your current cycle while utilizing 2 different compounds is not enough to conclude or assume that a product is not quality or up to par with comparative items. Overall we value everyone's feedback and as a community its about the exchange of knowledgeable information flow for everyone to strengthen awareness. We are supportive of everyone and take everyone's feedback seriously but personally this is nothing to be concerned about with regard to the quality of our products. Best regards - VF

 

[DLft12]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Our focus is to help members get the results and gains they seek. We are happy to hear you had a good experience with AG's TC as that is to be expected, they are a great source and a mentor of ours. When reviewing your experience theres a lot of variables to consider that can help identify the different responses between the 2 compounds like when doing gear for long term (7 yrs) the body will build a tolerance along with different reactions over time to these compounds and it could be that you may respond more to TC then TE, either way we'd like to help you accomplish the gains you seek and with that being said we'd like to provide you some free samples of our TC to see if you have a similar response. All of our products are tested with great results. I think it would be interesting to see how your levels turn out. Overall our goal is member satisfaction. Send us an email with your sst user name and we can assist you further. Best regards - VF

Correct, these are some factors to take into consideration. Though I have used both ester prior with great results with reasonable values on bloodwork. I have also just approached my 30’s this year, so Im not sure if the length of time on gear and my age has some part with the low response to the enanthate ester in particular. It was just unusual to see how absurdly low my test level was on 750mg of Test E.

I have used your gear twice, the Mast E and Deca was excellent. But I might have to just stick with the cypionate ester and see if that’s the culprit to my low values on my bloodwork.

 

[viper-flex]

Correct, these are some factors to take into consideration. Though I have used both ester prior with great results with reasonable values on bloodwork. I have also just approached my 30’s this year, so Im not sure if the length of time on gear and my age has some part with the low response to the enanthate ester in particular. It was just unusual to see how absurdly low my test level was on 750mg of Test E.

I have used your gear twice, the Mast E and Deca was excellent. But I might have to just stick with the cypionate ester and see if that’s the culprit to my low values on my bloodwork.

Thanks for sharing your experience bud.
Few questions, how long were you on 500mg te before upping the dose? - VF

 

[iforgotmychit]

Did you get viper's Test E from his BOGO late july/early august? Just wondering because I got his Test E from then too and we could have the same batch.
I also got some Test E from azteca's july BOGO sale that I have been on for ~3 weeks on a TRT dose (switched from PharmaHGH). I was planning on using viper's test E after I run out of azteca's stuff but that won't be for a while.

 

[DLft12]

Thanks for sharing your experience bud.
Few questions, how long were you on 500mg te before upping the dose? - VF

I was on Test E 500mg from mid June to mid August, and then I increased to 750mg and got blood work done near the end of September. It should have still been ample of time for the increase to settle at peak levels. Blood work will usually show that before the gains become apparent.

 

[viper-flex]

I was on Test E 500mg from mid June to mid August, and then I increased to 750mg and got blood work done near the end of September. It should have still been ample of time for the increase to settle at peak levels. Blood work will usually show that before the gains become apparent.

Thanks for the details bud. So technically you were on 500mg longer then 750mg and when configuring your multiplier I think the most accurate approach base it off of 500mg considering that is the dose you've been on the longest to determine your multiplier. So multiplier is the key factor here and when basing your multiplier off of 500mg your multiplier comes out to 5.38 which is not bad at all. Over all shoot us an email and we can send you some TC to help you figure out wether you respond better to TC over TE. Best regards - VF

 

[BurninSeagul]

I’ve got some bloodwork that just got pulled yesterday. I’m using Vipers Test C at 500mg a week and his NPP 300mg a week. Curious to compare my results. I’ll post them in blood work section once I receive them.

 

[KillTheKing]

I’ve got some bloodwork that just got pulled yesterday. I’m using Vipers Test C at 500mg a week and his NPP 300mg a week. Curious to compare my results. I’ll post them in blood work section once I receive them.

Ever get that blood work?

 

[BurninSeagul]

Ever get that blood work?

Everything other than my Test levels have came in. I’m gonna reach out to the lab and see why my test levels haven’t came back yet.

 

[KillTheKing]

Everything other than my Test levels have came in. I’m gonna reach out to the lab and see why my test levels haven’t came back yet.

Awesome man. I'm thinking about ordering in the next few days and I've just been reading everything I can find about VF. Let me know how it goes.