Viper

[jqm8865]

I have used ViperFlex, Synergy and Azteca Golds test and while I could feel Synergy and Azteca’s test, Vipers didn't make me feel anything. His Masteron was good, his DHB was good, his Anadrol was good. Just his Test Cyp didn't feel like anything.

I didnt get it tested or get bloodwork. Just anecdotal based on what test has usually felt like in past experiences.

 

[BINGBONG]

I have used ViperFlex, Synergy and Azteca Golds test and while I could feel Synergy and Azteca’s test, Vipers didn't make me feel anything. His Masteron was good, his DHB was good, his Anadrol was good. Just his Test Cyp didn't feel like anything.

I didnt get it tested or get bloodwork. Just anecdotal based on what test has usually felt like in past experiences.

Lol. Bold claim to not be backed by any form of proof or even blood work. Look at the blood work section for viper its full of solid numbers. If u had bloods to show it different story.

Coming from someone who posted "how long til a test cyp kicks in" and "so u cant make gains in 2 weeks on test cyp?" come on man. If u can't prove it, don't bother posting it.

 

[jqm8865]

Yes, that post was when I used Azteca Golds Test Cyp, way back last fall. The test cyp from Azteca kicked in and I felt it in about 5ish weeks (I just didn't wait long enough, after week 2 obviously I wasn't feeling anything with a cyp ester. I have used VF for the last 8 weeks and the Test Cyp feels much weaker this time around.

I also specifically said I actually felt his mast and DHB and Anadrol. I was not just shitting on the guy. This was just my experience with his Test, and it was very different from the other Test sources I used as far as how I have felt on it by itself.

I know the guy is popular and makes quality products, but I question if he is getting so popular so quickly that he is making mistakes in making his gear trying to meet demand in a timely manner.

 

[BINGBONG]

My suggestion is if u cant get access to bloodwork via a dr/lab, order urself a mail in hormone test from a company like letsgetchecked to have on hand, that way u can have some numbers to back ur claims. Its very hard to tell ng/dl based on feels. That's all. I'm not defending either party here I just want to see the #'s. And then u'll be able to come here with proof and be taken seriously. Hope this helps!

 

[viper-flex]

Yes, that post was when I used Azteca Golds Test Cyp, way back last fall. The test cyp from Azteca kicked in and I felt it in about 5ish weeks (I just didn't wait long enough, after week 2 obviously I wasn't feeling anything with a cyp ester. I have used VF for the last 8 weeks and the Test Cyp feels much weaker this time around.

I also specifically said I actually felt his mast and DHB and Anadrol. I was not just shitting on the guy. This was just my experience with his Test, and it was very different from the other Test sources I used as far as how I have felt on it by itself.

I know the guy is popular and makes quality products, but I question if he is getting so popular so quickly that he is making mistakes in making his gear trying to meet demand in a timely manner.

I understand your concern and value your feedback but with out lab test and or bloodwork this post is a propagandish claim and not doing anyone of service...
Although we are a young company we take our work very serious and have mentored under the pros for quite some time and evolved our position. Just yesterday someone posted their bloodwork running a trt 250mg a week and his test levels were 2200. We offer store credit for blood tests if they meet sst standard of approval, this may be something you want to consider. Take some time to review all our bloodwork and anecdotals if your questioning, we also have lab test for our TC on our main page.

Overall Im interested in helping you figure whats going on with your cycle.
Email us, there is a lot to consider when running these cycles even some of the simplest things can throw off how you feel if you going to be judging upon feels like correct caloric intake, hydration, proper sleep and intense progressive workout, liver support etc.... Best regards - VF

 

[jqm8865]

I recently moved a couple months ago and it was extremely hot in the moving truck, is it possible the gear was damaged sitting in the heat for an extended period of time?

 

[viper-flex]

I recently moved a couple months ago and it was extremely hot in the moving truck, is it possible the gear was damaged sitting in the heat for an extended period of time?

Understandable

Well if your product was stored in super hot temperatures and fluctuating degrees then something like that can decrease its potency. Proper storage is needed to maintain its quality. Ive heard of people leaving it in the car for a couple days in the heat etc... That can sometimes mess with it as well. I tell you what, Ill throw in one free TC for you on your next visit but keep in mind if you really want a solid answer to all your concerns, running your bloodtest is recommended for anyone running G. as that helps the individual to gage and maintain optimal health & maximized results, and of course lab test on the compound. - Thanks VF

 

[Dasgovtron]

I’ve been on vipers test prop at 75 mgs daily I started with test levels at 191 I will get bloods soon, but I feel pretty good. Morning wood great pumps, lifts are going up every day. Day 3 like 6 hours after injection had itchy nips so took a half a arimidex all good.

 

[Dasgovtron]

I’ve been on vipers test prop at 75 mgs daily I started with test levels at 191 I will get bloods soon, but I feel pretty good. Morning wood great pumps, lifts are going up every day. Day 3 like 6 hours after injection had itchy nips so took a half a arimidex all good.

I’m 7 days in

 

[tanten10]

lol, i see this type of post countless times, guys always injecting shit and expecting it to hit them like they’re gonna get high as hell or something . “i don’t feel it”

bro, it takes weeks for the drug to kick in, and it’s a slow release (cyp)

you aren’t gonna notice anything besides possible blood pressure increase. the gains work in the background .

now if you wanna “feel” something , take some strong oral cycle or inject a gram of tren a week. if that’s what you’re looking to accomplish. you’ll feel like shit, but hey atleast you’ll know it’s hitting right bro!!!!?

 

[JustJake]

I think we all get that "feels" aren't scientific, but why have an anecdotal forum at all if people shouldn't post anecdotes? Only good feels allowed? Of course the OP should test, especially since VF will credit, but the whole point of anecdotes is that people didn't test and aren't going to have any hard proof of their feels.

 

[jqm8865]

^ I also want to reiterate I have tried alot of other compounds from the VF and it def was legit and I could feel and see it work.

I also completely forgot to mention in the original post that it sat in the back trailer of a moving truck that was likely well over a 100 degrees for several hours (I didn’t even remember that I did that when I moved until after I posted this). It could very well have been my fault.

 

[JustJake]

^ I also want to reiterate I have tried alot of other compounds from the VF and it def was legit and I could feel and see it work.

I also completely forgot to mention in the original post that it sat in the back trailer of a moving truck that was likely well over a 100 degrees for several hours (I didn’t even remember that I did that when I moved until after I posted this). It could very well have been my fault.

Yeah bro, I think VF's response here was good and I think it's cool he tried to take care of you even without blood work or testing. I also think it's OK to report how you felt on something in the anecdotal forum.

 

[tanten10]

Yeah bro, I think VF's response here was good and I think it's cool he tried to take care of you even without blood work or testing. I also think it's OK to report how you felt on something in the anecdotal forum.

but “not feeling” something could be because of many things and there’s no science behind it, so it’s a worthless remark really .. is it bunk? most likely not . and there’s something else at play.

it’s just not a good look for him when you say claims like that so it’s kinda rude to do unless you have actual proof . in reality you are saying one of his most popular products is bunk . just in a nicer way

 

[JustJake]

but “not feeling” something could be because of many things and there’s no science behind it, so it’s a worthless remark really .. is it bunk? most likely not . and there’s something else at play.

it’s just not a good look for him when you say claims like that so it’s kinda rude to do unless you have actual proof . in reality you are saying one of his most popular products is bunk . just in a nicer way

I agree that there could be lots of reasons and even the OP identified one possible reason. I still think there's a place for these anecdotal experiences in the anecdotes forum. VF has mostly great anecdotal posts here and test is like the least likely product to fake so it's probably not bunk. but if 10 people posted in here about a source's test saying the same things it might mean something right?

Basically what I'm saying is, there's no science behind almost any anecdotes so I don't see the difference.

 

[T&H]

but “not feeling” something could be because of many things and there’s no science behind it, so it’s a worthless remark really .. is it bunk? most likely not . and there’s something else at play.

it’s just not a good look for him when you say claims like that so it’s kinda rude to do unless you have actual proof . in reality you are saying one of his most popular products is bunk . just in a nicer way

You want this changed to "Good Anecdotal Reports"? Reach out to a Moderator if you believe it should.

While I agree with you in i see little to no value in Anecdotal Reports period, no one should be hard-core questioning guys who post bad ones here. Because no one questions guys who could be shilling for specific sources by posting good reports...and there are ones I believe do at times.