want you guys to look at my blood work!

[bigsmith97]

i ran a 400mg primo/50mg var/250 test cyp cycle for 16 weeks and that ended in july. i was using colonials test cyp 200mg a week as my trt dose bc that was what my doctor had me on originally. after dealing with feeling like shit on colonials i decided to go back to my clinic and this was what my bloodwork came back as. i was told that i needed to go donate blood imediatly and to go until my hemaglobin is at 15.0

 

[MalcolmWare16$]

15 is not high. Not at all. But your blood work says 18.2 which is getting in the higher realm. I mean I would say donate to be safe. But 18 isn’t life threatening either. I was at 19 before on a test only cycle and donated, headaches went away and hemoglobin dropped right away.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

i ran a 400mg primo/50mg var/250 test cyp cycle for 16 weeks and that ended in july. i was using colonials test cyp 200mg a week as my trt dose bc that was what my doctor had me on originally. after dealing with feeling like shit on colonials i decided to go back to my clinic and this was what my bloodwork came back as. i was told that i needed to go donate blood imediatly and to go until my hemaglobin is at 15.0

If this was a finger poke test I'd say you're probly fine, but actual labs. I donated the other day and mine was 18.3. Last time was 17.9 and had labs 5 hours later was 15.x. Results may vary. My clinic said the finger poke is always off on the higher end as a reference. Also, colonials made me feel like trash as well and my buddy ran the same one and also felt like a dumpster

 

[bigsmith97]

If this was a finger poke test I'd say you're probly fine, but actual labs. I donated the other day and mine was 18.3. Last time was 17.9 and had labs 5 hours later was 15.x. Results may vary. My clinic said the finger poke is always off on the higher end as a reference. Also, colonials made me feel like trash as well and my buddy ran the same one and also felt like a dumpster

this was actual vial bloodwork. i was running 200mg colonial and test numbers came bacl at 361. felt like absolute dog shit

 

[Deleted member 21405]

this was actual vial bloodwork. i was running 200mg colonial and test numbers came bacl at 361. felt like absolute dog shit

That's hella low. I don't doubt at all how you were feeling or those results.

 

[bigsmith97]

15 is not high. Not at all. But your blood work says 18.2 which is getting in the higher realm. I mean I would say donate to be safe. But 18 isn’t life threatening either. I was at 19 before on a test only cycle and donated, headaches went away and hemoglobin dropped right away.

i may have worded that wrong. she wants me to go donate until it is down to 15.0 stating that 18 is to high

 

[Getthemgainz87]

What type of bloodwork panel did you purchase? I used private MD labs before but can’t remember which package I bought. Seems the prices have risen since I last purchased.

 

[BigDaddyDonkeyD]

Was this Testosterone level on 200mgs a week? Cause it is really low. Also for future reference black out your name and DOB

 

[tejascardinal]

As to the items out of range none of them look bad at all. Reference ranges are a good indicator of potential issues but ultimately, for enhanced bodybuilders, we can push those ranges a little bit further so I always suggest doing your research on what each one truly means and the solutions that go along with them.

As to your test levels, that's probably why you feel like shit.

 

[Thrasymachus]

this was actual vial bloodwork. i was running 200mg colonial and test numbers came bacl at 361. felt like absolute dog shit

I'm starting to wonder looking at the testing reports from Jano of raws lately if the quality of the China raws in general are taking a little nose dive.

China has had issues with reactions not coming to completion when manufacturing raws and this causes incomplete reactions that form a bunch of precursors to the desired steroid.

My question is if this is the quality of the Indian produced reagents being used in China or perhaps a production flaw or lack of quality control from China.

 

[Thrasymachus]

As to the items out of range none of them look bad at all. Reference ranges are a good indicator of potential issues but ultimately, for enhanced bodybuilders, we can push those ranges a little bit further so I always suggest doing your research on what each one truly means and the solutions that go along with them.

As to your test levels, that's probably why you feel like shit.

Absolutely. Reference ranges are set using normal studies, usually using a book like Molecular Chemistry Tietz, or a reference book in other areas of the lab for hematology, blood banking AABB manual.

Then using those resources the lab will draw blood on 120 local patients and perform a normal study to set their reference ranges using 68% of the ranges 1 SD of the mean and then 2 SD within 95% of the mean either higher or lower.

While this is a valid way of determining normal ranges, it obviously wouldn't include men/women using AAS. A 20g/dl hemoglobin is something very few people would ever experience and it's considered unethical to do those studies.

I can say from experience having had a 22.5g/dl hgb, it's not good for your health at all. Thus the reason not not demonize aas users, but to educate them on the need to regularly drain that blood and stop worrying about Ferritin levels that need to be decreased in a state where aas causes increased iron absorption to begin with.

Body builders should get regular blood donation on schedule, it should be something we do regularly every 2 to 4 months as it is proven very healthy for normal populations and even more healthy I would suspect for aas users.

Download Tietz Molecular Chemistry for free to see how labs establish reference ranges: Tietz Molecular Chemistry

Henry's Lab Methods is also an excellent resource for free: Henry's Lab Manual

 

[tejascardinal]

Absolutely. Reference ranges are set using normal studies, usually using a book like Molecular Chemistry Tietz, or a reference book in other areas of the lab for hematology, blood banking AABB manual.

Then using those resources the lab will draw blood on 120 local patients and perform a normal study to set their reference ranges using 68% of the ranges 1 SD of the mean and then 2 SD within 95% of the mean either higher or lower.

While this is a valid way of determining normal ranges, it obviously wouldn't include men/women using AAS. A 20g/dl hemoglobin is something very few people would ever experience and it's considered unethical to do those studies.

I can say from experience having had a 22.5g/dl hgb, it's not good for your health at all. Thus the reason not not demonize aas users, but to educate them on the need to regularly drain that blood and stop worrying about Ferritin levels that need to be decreased in a state where aas causes increased iron absorption to begin with.

Body builders should get regular blood donation on schedule, it should be something we do regularly every 2 to 4 months as it is proven very healthy for normal populations and even more healthy I would suspect for aas users.

Download Tietz Molecular Chemistry for free to see how labs establish reference ranges: Tietz Molecular Chemistry

Henry's Lab Methods is also an excellent resource for free: Henry's Lab Manual

Very detailed! I'm always down to learn something new and if you'd like to discuss this further feel free to email me for Wickr information B)

 

[Luxferro]

How TF is your T that low on 200 mg? That’s what I would expect from 50 mg per week…

 

[Thrasymachus]

How TF is your T that low on 200 mg? That’s what I would expect from 50 mg per week…

More than likely the vial is compromised. Either underdosed, or degraded due to exposure to light.

Judging by the raw reports lately if a source isn't brewing with a 20+% overdose I personally wouldn't feel I was doing right by my customers as you can't get away with the 10% overdose method anymore.

I wonder if this covid nonsense compromised the supply chain in India and or China, I'm seeing base hormone reports coming back in the low 90's for purity and those should be at least 95% or greater because there's no ester to mess around with.

I noticed it myself when I ordered my last batch of raws performing a slow melting point determination and all of them came up piss poor by my standards even for the base compounds which I found to be a bit of a let down compared to the stuff I was getting a few years back. It's obvious the raws today aren't as pure as they once were a few years back and I don't point a finger, but something is off with the manufacturing process.

 

[Luxferro]

More than likely the vial is compromised. Either underdosed, or degraded due to exposure to light.

Judging by the raw reports lately if a source isn't brewing with a 20+% overdose I personally wouldn't feel I was doing right by my customers as you can't get away with the 10% overdose method anymore.

I wonder if this covid nonsense compromised the supply chain in India and or China, I'm seeing base hormone reports coming back in the low 90's for purity and those should be at least 95% or greater because there's no ester to mess around with.

I noticed it myself when I ordered my last batch of raws performing a slow melting point determination and all of them came up piss poor by my standards even for the base compounds which I found to be a bit of a let down compared to the stuff I was getting a few years back. It's obvious the raws today aren't as pure as they once were a few years back and I don't point a finger, but something is off with the manufacturing process.

Bro between that and the high likelihood of heavy metal contamination shit is crazy out here

 

[Thrasymachus]

Bro between that and the high likelihood of heavy metal contamination shit is crazy out here

The heavy metal concern was downplayed because I think it's been tested in the past and not shown to be a problem. Also it's a whole other set of tests to add to the expense of UGL.

There is no easier solution to this than to just legalize all anabolics, produce them to pharma grade and inform the public and clinicians on how to use them properly to avoid causing problems.

I don't see how having China control this market is doing the users any good, it would be better if all adults 21 and older could sign a waiver and purchase direct from compounding pharmacists with access to pharma grade raws.

This way no one pharma company has to put their name on a product, but at the same time the raws could be produced to the highest standards in America without having liability concerns from harm which will happen when people use to excess.

 

[bigsmith97]

How TF is your T that low on 200 mg? That’s what I would expect from 50 mg per week…

bro i have no idea... i was shocked & felt like shit. when i was om 200 mg through my doctor i was at 863

 

[Azrael]

feeling like shit on colonials

Do you know what batch it was from? I have some vials of Colonials stuff that I haven't tried yet (Test E and some Deca).