What if China Raws get shut down?

[Dexter]

Lets imagine China decides to crack down and stop the production of Raws.

Who takes over, how much work does it take to get legit products shipped to US market.

This all seems possible as China perhaps bends to trade regulations and cracks down on suppliers with the hope of keeping their trade partners happy.

Are preppers stock piling tons of steroids for this potential apocalypse?

How do we store and keep the knowledge of manufacturing these steroids so future generations will always have access.

We desperately need someone to share and distribute the manufacturing process for these drugs. This stuff should be available in a open source format where any of us that have a chemistry background can fire up a lab and help mankind in the never ending pursuit of strength.

 

[tw33]

Are you suggesting that the Chinese government would crack down on the shipment of raw powders to other countries? I think they have bigger fish to fry- can’t imagine it would be worth the time/effort to do this for the Chinese govt

 

[warplain]

Dexter" pid='65584' dateline='1566272161:

Are preppers stock piling tons of steroids for this potential apocalypse?

Not intentionally, but I always over-order on every single order I make and have a huge stockpile that would last 5+ cycles and 10+ years of TRT at this point. I’m starting to stockpile raws too. I’m not super paranoid, but the cost is low to maintain a solid inventory for if/when supply becomes constrained.

I never expect supply to take a permanent hit - someone will fill the void - but theres always the chance of temporary shortages should something happen

 

[Dexter]

warplain" pid='65606' dateline='1566305122:

Not intentionally, but I always over-order on every single order I make and have a huge stockpile that would last 5+ cycles and 10+ years of TRT at this point. I’m starting to stockpile raws too. I’m not super paranoid, but the cost is low to maintain a solid inventory for if/when supply becomes constrained.

I never expect supply to take a permanent hit - someone will fill the void - but theres always the chance of temporary shortages should something happen

If we look at the various laws that have been passed since the late 80’s with regards to steroids. It’s not really that I think China cares about selling to foreign markets, I think it’s the nanny state of the USA and globalism which can attempt to snuff out the production of quality ugl. If someone isn’t allowed to manufacture for extended periods of time, always having to worry about getting caught. Quality Control will nose dive as few have the time to perfect their craft.

It’s frustrating for someone like myself that believes the government should have no role in my personal life, that law enforcement in this country should be cut by at least 50% and only seen when we call them for help and when done they have to immediately go back to the station and leave us alone.

I feel as I get older the laws that keep stacking up on the books in the west, the amount of scumbag parasitical lawyers that keep graduating each year eventually becoming legislators, these people are here to squash our freedom and I always wonder what gives these people the right to tell me what to do, it’s an arrogance that doesn’t sit well with me.

 

[ForceAndFinesse91]

Ive heard rumor here and there in various places online that this is something we might have to worry about in the not so far off future. The way i see it is the sources are the ones with the contacts in asia and the people out that way producing the raws in the first place would be the first to catch wind of anything like that developing and would straight away communicate that to u.s wholesale conusmers and there would be an effort from both the raws guys and our people out this way to quickly compinsate for that in whatever ways. Tripleing down on orders ect but reguardless covering your ass with good personal stock aint a bad idea. Its good for buisness for our sources too, helpa grease the gears in this fuckin thing in the mean time… and im with you on the manufacture needing to be accessible knowlege but where theres a will theres a way. Such a beautiful thing isnt gonna dissapear any time soon.
I mean manufacture of garbage like meth heroin and cocain isnt exactly legal and i think we r all aware nobodys government is able to really slow its roll. Imagine aas would get freaky expensive though

 

[Dexter]

ForceAndFinesse91" pid='65620' dateline='1566316728:

Ive heard rumor here and there in various places online that this is something we might have to worry about in the not so far off future.

The reason I worry about it is that the west has been on a warpath to eliminate the use of AAS or anything else that is available without going through the properly bought off people, professional lobbying groups…ect.

So as China tries to gain respect in the world economy and adopts the western standards and in many ways the false sense of morality of what is right and wrong, I can see a China that stamps out anything that doesn’t comply with the self righteous nanny state that has become the west.

Really what it comes down to is the blocking of any shipments that come from countries that don’t completely comply with our laws to protect our precious little babies that love the thought of government keeping them out of harms way.

The only real solution is to allow a state that borders the ocean to be sold to a group of people like myself, where we do what we want without any interference from any outside government. It’s a place you can visit, vacation or permanently live. The economy would be booming, lawyers wouldn’t be allowed, no courts, no prisons, no police, if you have a problem you take care of it yourself.

 

[01101010]

With marijuana becoming legalized around the US I think we’re getting close to the point where a well ogranized movement could make a good case for the same treatment for anabolic steroids. Imagine being able to go down to your local dispensary and legally picking up tested, safe, properly dosed gear. It’s too bad we, as SST, can’t set ourselves apart by becoming not only a source site but a decriminalization advocacy group.

 

[unclecurley]

GRABING MY TINFOIL HAT BRB

 

[Dexter]

01101010" pid='65640' dateline='1566326343:

With marijuana becoming legalized around the US I think we’re getting close to the point where a well ogranized movement could make a good case for the same treatment for anabolic steroids. Imagine being able to go down to your local dispensary and legally picking up tested, safe, properly dosed gear. It’s too bad we, as SST, can’t set ourselves apart by becoming not only a source site but a decriminalization advocacy group.

The public sees AAS users as rabid dogs, we are uncontrollable, prone to lash out, big muscles are threatening, no one likes a showoff.

Mj users are the opposite, they are perceived as lazy and unmotivated, the public sees them as mostly harmless.

And of course our society is obsessed with sports and cheating, it’s a religion in our culture. So they keep AAS illegal with the hope that people won’t cheat, which only makes it more likely for certain people to do what they are told they can’t do.

One thing is for certain, the baby boomers will have to die off for there to be any sanity brought to our legal system. The younger generation seems more open to freedom, the older generations more trusting of government dogma.

 

[superawesomename]

unclecurley" pid='65645' dateline='1566327310:

GRABING MY TINFOIL HAT BRB

Did you not enter the thread properly equipped?

 

[01101010]

Dexter" pid='65647' dateline='1566327851:

01101010" pid='65640' dateline='1566326343:

With marijuana becoming legalized around the US I think we’re getting close to the point where a well ogranized movement could make a good case for the same treatment for anabolic steroids. Imagine being able to go down to your local dispensary and legally picking up tested, safe, properly dosed gear. It’s too bad we, as SST, can’t set ourselves apart by becoming not only a source site but a decriminalization advocacy group.

The public sees AAS users as rabid dogs, we are uncontrollable, prone to lash out, big muscles are threatening, no one likes a showoff.

Mj users are the opposite, they are perceived as lazy and unmotivated, the public sees them as mostly harmless.

And of course our society is obsessed with sports and cheating, it’s a religion in our culture. So they keep AAS illegal with the hope that people won’t cheat, which only makes it more likely for certain people to do what they are told they can’t do.

One thing is for certain, the baby boomers will have to die off for there to be any sanity brought to our legal system. The younger generation seems more open to freedom, the older generations more trusting of government dogma.

I actually don’t disagree with most of what you’ve said, but you have to remember that even weed went through the whole ‘Reefer Madness’ thing, which definitely does not paint mj users as lazy and harmless.

Again though, I don’t disagree with you. Even just male hormone treatment is viewed as suspect. My mom can tell anyone she meets she’s on estrogen replacement therapy all day long and no one would bat an eye, but mention you’re on TRT and you’re immediately a drug-addicted roid-head.
That’s a goddamn shame, because we’re talking about almost literally the male fountain-of-youth here. The actual chemical distillation of what makes men, men.

 

[Dexter]

01101010" pid='65653' dateline='1566329796:

My mom can tell anyone she meets she’s on estrogen replacement therapy all day long and no one would bat an eye, but mention you’re on TRT and you’re immediately a drug-addicted roid-head.
That’s a goddamn shame, because we’re talking about almost literally the male fountain-of-youth here. The actual chemical distillation of what makes men, men.

I’ve brought this up in the past. A women will be given anything she wants or needs and no one will care.

Toxic Masculinity, all little boys need to be put on ADHD drugs to act more like little girls, all men should be chemically castrated to protect the public from the menace of hairy ball sacks.

I don’t think AAS is the fountain of youth, they certainly improved my life for the better, however I know deep down they will probably shorten my life, or one day I may have to come off and I’ll probably put a rope around my neck at that point. If you don’t have testosterone and you’re a man, your life is basically over. There’s nothing that can be done, no supplements, no diet, nothing, you will feel like a huge pile of sh*t and that’s all there is to it and since men are considered expendable, canon fodder, society is alright with that if it protects anyone from feeling intimidated or insecure by a man with big muscles.

No one has a problem with people being fat f*cks, smoking cigarettes, drinking booze, but the minute you stick AAS in your ass, that’s crossing the line.

 

[ForceAndFinesse91]

Dexter" pid='65635' dateline='1566324692:

ForceAndFinesse91" pid='65620' dateline='1566316728:

Ive heard rumor here and there in various places online that this is something we might have to worry about in the not so far off future.

The reason I worry about it is that the west has been on a warpath to eliminate the use of AAS or anything else that is available without going through the properly bought off people, professional lobbying groups…ect.

So as China tries to gain respect in the world economy and adopts the western standards and in many ways the false sense of morality of what is right and wrong, I can see a China that stamps out anything that doesn’t comply with the self righteous nanny state that has become the west.

Really what it comes down to is the blocking of any shipments that come from countries that don’t completely comply with our laws to protect our precious little babies that love the thought of government keeping them out of harms way.

The only real solution is to allow a state that borders the ocean to be sold to a group of people like myself, where we do what we want without any interference from any outside government. It’s a place you can visit, vacation or permanently live. The economy would be booming, lawyers wouldn’t be allowed, no courts, no prisons, no police, if you have a problem you take care of it yourself.

You made a couple great points. Im honestly willing to bet we are getting closer to a political and social landscap that would legalize. Id be willing to bet it would help masculinity for its own sake in a couple ways… Help make being a real man “cool” again.
This last generations culture disgusts me but im not gonna start on that or ill write a fuckin novel here and this phone would end up in a wall

If a real movement were organized like happened with m.j and kratom (probly more i cant name off the top of my head) id get behind it in a heartbeat.

 

[propionate]

Someone with a degree in chemistry could reasonably learn how to synthesize raws. The equipment is barrier for entry alongside the massive dose of illegal it would be to not have a gmp facility manufacturing raw powders sold for injection (in the USA where it is a controlled substance). You can’t just hide a factory

Logistics for manufacturing aside, things would just go back to how they were before the Chinese raw market was reliable. You go to Mexico or another country and bring back small amounts

There’s no need to discuss any of the quasi intellectual political rantings here. Your opinion on the matter doesn’t influence any answer to this question and with your confirmation bias I can’t imagine any conversation would amount to more than just speaking to brick wall

Tl;dr it would be too hard to have an underground facility in the USA but if Chinese raws supply are cut off then things would revert to how people got steroids before their was a reliable Chinese market

 

[Masterofron]

propionate" pid='65664' dateline='1566332973:

Someone with a degree in chemistry could reasonably learn how to synthesize raws. The equipment is barrier for entry alongside the massive dose of illegal it would be to not have a gmp facility manufacturing raw powders sold for injection (in the USA where it is a controlled substance). You can’t just hide a factory

Logistics for manufacturing aside, things would just go back to how they were before the Chinese raw market was reliable. You go to Mexico or another country and bring back small amounts

There’s no need to discuss any of the quasi intellectual political rantings here. Your opinion on the matter doesn’t influence any answer to this question and with your confirmation bias I can’t imagine any conversation would amount to more than just speaking to brick wall

Tl;dr it would be too hard to have an underground facility in the USA but if Chinese raws supply are cut off then things would revert to how people got steroids before their was a reliable Chinese market

LOL. Best response in this thread.

Jesus christ this hypothetical situation has so many fucking flaws. China exports steroid powders all over the fucking world, along with an A-Z list of other chemicals that come in various liquid/solid/gas forms. Steroid powders are part of China’s 100 billion dollar API manufacturing industry, why the fuck would they stop manufacturing them out of concern for “western standards”? Do you people seriously think that our laws, and our import laws, could EVER have an impact their WORLDWIDE manufacture and export?

This is one of the most retarded threads SST has ever seen. This is actually dumber than some of the shit @“Animutiddies” posts.

 

[ForceAndFinesse91]

propionate" pid='65664' dateline='1566332973:

Someone with a degree in chemistry could reasonably learn how to synthesize raws. The equipment is barrier for entry alongside the massive dose of illegal it would be to not have a gmp facility manufacturing raw powders sold for injection (in the USA where it is a controlled substance). You can’t just hide a factory

Logistics for manufacturing aside, things would just go back to how they were before the Chinese raw market was reliable. You go to Mexico or another country and bring back small amounts

There’s no need to discuss any of the quasi intellectual political rantings here. Your opinion on the matter doesn’t influence any answer to this question and with your confirmation bias I can’t imagine any conversation would amount to more than just speaking to brick wall

Tl;dr it would be too hard to have an underground facility in the USA but if Chinese raws supply are cut off then things would revert to how people got steroids before their was a reliable Chinese market

Depends on o.ps goal posting but shooting down intelligentish conversation on a subject that needs work is exactly how it stays stuck in the mud. Shit wasnt well thought out but now he has some more well rounded and informed opinions to base his perspective and attitudes on.

People spitting out ideas and inspiring other people via said spit is how things start changing. Always been that way.

No need, like when rosa parks didnt need that seat in the front of the bus? ect… Let dude voice an opinion hes passionate about the shit thats a good thing

 

[01101010]

ForceAndFinesse91" pid='65678' dateline='1566341395:

propionate" pid='65664' dateline='1566332973:

Someone with a degree in chemistry could reasonably learn how to synthesize raws. The equipment is barrier for entry alongside the massive dose of illegal it would be to not have a gmp facility manufacturing raw powders sold for injection (in the USA where it is a controlled substance). You can’t just hide a factory

Logistics for manufacturing aside, things would just go back to how they were before the Chinese raw market was reliable. You go to Mexico or another country and bring back small amounts

There’s no need to discuss any of the quasi intellectual political rantings here. Your opinion on the matter doesn’t influence any answer to this question and with your confirmation bias I can’t imagine any conversation would amount to more than just speaking to brick wall

Tl;dr it would be too hard to have an underground facility in the USA but if Chinese raws supply are cut off then things would revert to how people got steroids before their was a reliable Chinese market

Depends on o.ps goal posting but shooting down intelligentish conversation on a subject that needs work is exactly how it stays stuck in the mud. Shit wasnt well thought out but now he has some more well rounded and informed opinions to base his perspective and attitudes on.

People spitting out ideas and inspiring other people via said spit is how things start changing. Always been that way.

No need, like when rosa parks didnt need that seat in the front of the bus? ect… Let dude voice an opinion hes passionate about the shit thats a good thing

Not to mention @“propionate” is acting like a sanctimonious cunt when his A+ well thought out response is essentially “well, if we can’t get it from China then we’ll get it somewhere else!” like yeah bro, you really dug deep to pull out THAT nugget of wisdom, thanks for the tl;dr because otherwise I’d have been super confused.

Edit: I forgot the pearl “You can’t just hide a factory”. Top-notch analysis there, mate. Thanks for pointing that out, not sure I could’ve worked that one out on my own.

 

[Dexter]

Masterofron" pid='65677' dateline='1566341081:

propionate" pid='65664' dateline='1566332973:

You go to Mexico or another country and bring back small amounts

Your opinion on the matter doesn’t influence any answer to this question and with your confirmation bias I can’t imagine any conversation would amount to more than just speaking to brick wall

Tl;dr it would be too hard to have an underground facility in the USA but if Chinese raws supply are cut off then things would revert to how people got steroids before their was a reliable Chinese market

Jesus christ this hypothetical situation has so many fucking flaws. China exports steroid powders all over the fucking world, along with an A-Z list of other chemicals that come in various liquid/solid/gas forms. Steroid powders are part of China’s 100 billion dollar API manufacturing industry, why the fuck would they stop manufacturing them out of concern for “western standards”? Do you people seriously think that our laws, and our import laws, could EVER have an impact their WORLDWIDE manufacture and export?

Ultimately it’s a philosophical question.

What makes AAS so bad when other things clearly kill far more people. Selective morality that is apart of the western mindset, where one is conditioned without thinking, to accept what he/she is told is bad for them.

We all know obesity, junk food, bad diets, smoking, drinking, racing your motorcycle, ect are far worse for health then intelligent use of AAS, it’s just that twinkies aren’t class III drugs that will send you to prison and give you a life long record.

The problem is the older I get the more I look around at how absurd this country is put together, I’m starting to think we’re stuck in an insane asylum, it’s utter madness the more you look at zombified people that never question authority.

 

[Masterofron]

Dexter" pid='65722' dateline='1566373635:

Masterofron" pid='65677' dateline='1566341081:

propionate" pid='65664' dateline='1566332973:

You go to Mexico or another country and bring back small amounts

Your opinion on the matter doesn’t influence any answer to this question and with your confirmation bias I can’t imagine any conversation would amount to more than just speaking to brick wall

Tl;dr it would be too hard to have an underground facility in the USA but if Chinese raws supply are cut off then things would revert to how people got steroids before their was a reliable Chinese market

Jesus christ this hypothetical situation has so many fucking flaws. China exports steroid powders all over the fucking world, along with an A-Z list of other chemicals that come in various liquid/solid/gas forms. Steroid powders are part of China’s 100 billion dollar API manufacturing industry, why the fuck would they stop manufacturing them out of concern for “western standards”? Do you people seriously think that our laws, and our import laws, could EVER have an impact their WORLDWIDE manufacture and export?

Ultimately it’s a philosophical question.

What makes AAS so bad when other things clearly kill far more people. Selective morality that is apart of the western mindset, where one is conditioned without thinking, to accept what he/she is told is bad for them.

We all know obesity, junk food, bad diets, smoking, drinking, racing your motorcycle, ect are far worse for health then intelligent use of AAS, it’s just that twinkies aren’t class III drugs that will send you to prison and give you a life long record.

The problem is the older I get the more I look around at how absurd this country is put together, I’m starting to think we’re stuck in an insane asylum, it’s utter madness the more you look at zombified people that never question authority.

Nobody actually cares about steroids that much. How often do you see labs busted? How many times a year…? Once? Maybe twice if we’re lucky? How often do you see “steroids are the devil” in news articles and in social media? Often? Or rarely?

Nobody gives that much of a shit about steroids, and China doesn’t give a shit that we do steroids either.

Why do you seem to think everyone thinks steroids are the devil? I literally never hear shit about steroids unless an athlete is caught using them.