Winstrol vs Masteron ???

[Middleage]

Hey All...
I'm 50yrs and an currently mid blast at 375mg Test-C. My TRT dose is 200. I normally need only .5/wk Adex during blast. I posted about holding a ton of water (ankles puffy) looking for advice.
I had mentioned my intent to add 50mg/day Winstrol as I have done many times. I got some advice that maybe I'm too old to run it as I used to and should look at Masteron instead?
Of course I'm concerned about sides but I'm normally cautious. During the time I've used TRT (blast or cruise) I've only ever added Winny, Anavar, and a few other fat loss things like Clen
The research I've done so far looks like Mast is very similar to Winny without the liver toxicity. I see it's IM not oral so avoids liver/kidney 1st pass.
I'm really just hoping to get some basic advice about at my age Winny should be off limits and how Mast will compare?
Thanks much

 

[Donuts]

You could always give mast a try and if you don’t like it, switch to winny.

 

[Thrasymachus]

At 50 drugs like Winstrol should be passed on if you care about your health.

Lets get real, 50 years old isn't anything to play around with, you can and will damage much easier than a 25 year old.

You have to ask why you're using a DHT derivative to begin with. It won't build strength compared to just using T.

The sides that I experienced with running mast prop on and off for years: caused my hct to increase faster, increased blood pressure(10 points), prostate issues with needing to urinate multiple times each night, and more than likely heart arrhythmias where my heart beats out sync, something that has died down, but is still a problem and very odd when laying down and I can feel my heart flutter, then stop and then return with a strong pounding pulse.

The more drugs you add the more problems you cause.

 

[Middleage]

At 50 drugs like Winstrol should be passed on if you care about your health.

Lets get real, 50 years old isn't anything to play around with, you can and will damage much easier than a 25 year old.

You have to ask why you're using a DHT derivative to begin with. It won't build strength compared to just using T.

The sides that I experienced with running mast prop on and off for years: caused my hct to increase faster, increased blood pressure(10 points), prostate issues with needing to urinate multiple times each night, and more than likely heart arrhythmias where my heart beats out sync, something that has died down, but is still a problem and very odd when laying down and I can feel my heart flutter, then stop and then return with a strong pounding pulse.

The more drugs you add the more problems you cause.

Thank you much for the advice. You're right, it's a legit question why? It's been 3yrs now since last time using Winny. Strength gains, no, and I don't care about that anyway. What I love about it is my ability to shave off body fat without feeling weak all the time.
Honestly, last time around I said it was the last. I just still have it on hand burning a hole. Believe me, 50 even shocks me to say it. I absolutely don't feel it nor look anything like buddies my age. But, it is what it is. I try to be healthy and TRT is generally enough.
I'm thinking time to run some blood again and see what's up before making any decisions.
Thanks again

 

[gains3000]

Winstrol is more anabolic than mast, but also more toxic. both have negative lipid effects.

 

[PrimeYash]

Hey All...
I'm 50yrs and an currently mid blast at 375mg Test-C. My TRT dose is 200. I normally need only .5/wk Adex during blast. I posted about holding a ton of water (ankles puffy) looking for advice.
I had mentioned my intent to add 50mg/day Winstrol as I have done many times. I got some advice that maybe I'm too old to run it as I used to and should look at Masteron instead?
Of course I'm concerned about sides but I'm normally cautious. During the time I've used TRT (blast or cruise) I've only ever added Winny, Anavar, and a few other fat loss things like Clen
The research I've done so far looks like Mast is very similar to Winny without the liver toxicity. I see it's IM not oral so avoids liver/kidney 1st pass.
I'm really just hoping to get some basic advice about at my age Winny should be off limits and how Mast will compare?
Thanks much

I agree with @Leklifts , try the Masteron first. If it doesn't work out you can always switch to Winstrol.
Winstrol might be more anabolic, but Masteron's sides are going to be milder. Not as strenuous on the liver. And anecdotally, my lipids are better on Masteron but that's just me. How is your hairline?

 

[Middleage]

I agree with @Leklifts , try the Masteron first. If it doesn't work out you can always switch to Winstrol.
Winstrol might be more anabolic, but Masteron's sides are going to be milder. Not as strenuous on the liver. And anecdotally, my lipids are better on Masteron but that's just me. How is your hairline?

Thx for the advice. I think I'm going to do this and give Mast a try. Fortunately, I've never had any hairline issues. I get issues with sides but generally due to estrogen which isn't a problem here. I ran into some ED problems with DBol which I got by accident(bogus Winny), but that's about it. I take .5/wk adex when on higher test doses.
Thanks again...

 

[Thrasymachus]

If cutting fat while staying strong was the goal then Anavar would be the obvious choice.

Tren would also be a choice.

Mast Prop will help maintain a finished look, but it won't produce dramatic results. To me Mast just cleans up the lines already there, it sharpens your look.

There's lots of guys that run 100 T/100 Mast every week as trt.

That said mast even though it's mild, it's adrogenic effect can be a pain in the ass as far as your prostate is concerned. I should have mentioned lipids, but that's something a lot of us don't pay attention to and I need to start running my lipid profile more often as I haven't had one for almost three years.

From a harm reduction perspective no matter what you do, run a full set of labs frequently to see what changes happen and if your labs are trashed stop whatever you're doing and mark it off your list. Take daily blood pressure, don't just mask it with medication, if it's messing up your blood pressure you're better off just using T.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

If cutting fat while staying strong was the goal then Anavar would be the obvious choice.

Tren would also be a choice.

Mast Prop will help maintain a finished look, but it won't produce dramatic results. To me Mast just cleans up the lines already there, it sharpens your look.

There's lots of guys that run 100 T/100 Mast every week as trt.

That said mast even though it's mild, it's adrogenic effect can be a pain in the ass as far as your prostate is concerned. I should have mentioned lipids, but that's something a lot of us don't pay attention to and I need to start running my lipid profile more often as I haven't had one for almost three years.

From a harm reduction perspective no matter what you do, run a full set of labs frequently to see what changes happen and if your labs are trashed stop whatever you're doing and mark it off your list. Take daily blood pressure, don't just mask it with medication, if it's messing up your blood pressure you're better off just using T.

Well said, but this guys posts don't seem to care too much about health and seem more along the lines of perhaps having a problem cutting back on gear mentally.

Always important to keep on supps that promote a good lipid profile regardless.

 

[Thrasymachus]

As soon as you expand into other classes of steroids beyond just Testosterone, you can bet blood pressure will go up, lipid profile will probably get worse and hct will shoot up even faster.

When you're young this stuff isn't really that big a deal, but contrary to what many believe, those of us that are older and have been around big guys that are older, I've personally known three guys in their early 50's that dropped dead of heart attacks or died in their sleep in the past 4 years. I know what happened to them, the lifestyle caught up with an aging body, but most people scratch their head and just assume it was bad luck.

 

[Middleage]

Well said, but this guys posts don't seem to care too much about health and seem more along the lines of perhaps having a problem cutting back on gear mentally.

Always important to keep on supps that promote a good lipid profile regardless.

You're 50% right. I do have a bit of a mental battle weighing my long term health with the results I get from AAS. That said, I see my cardio a couple times a year, I run blood at least 6mo, mostly more, I see a shrink every 3mo religiously.
Generally, I follow advice. The last time I ran Winstrol everything was very smooth. I will say, I feel like I've reached and age where I'm not rebounding like I used to. Honestly, my sexual health rules much of my decision making. Lately that's been like a bouncing ball which is what got me into this discussion in the first place.
I greatly appreciate all and every piece of advice from here, like it or not.
Thanks much

 

[Gullinbursti]

Bul

At 50 drugs like Winstrol should be passed on if you care about your health.

Lets get real, 50 years old isn't anything to play around with, you can and will damage much easier than a 25 year old.

You have to ask why you're using a DHT derivative to begin with. It won't build strength compared to just using T.

The sides that I experienced with running mast prop on and off for years: caused my hct to increase faster, increased blood pressure(10 points), prostate issues with needing to urinate multiple times each night, and more than likely heart arrhythmias where my heart beats out sync, something that has died down, but is still a problem and very odd when laying down and I can feel my heart flutter, then stop and then return with a strong pounding pulse.

The more drugs you add the more problems you cause. Bull crap. Mast and winstrol adds tons of strength and are both quite anabolic. So are basically all dht derivatives