Yo fam. Ready to go dark.

[Pipsqueak]

What’s up everyone. I’m a 31 year old male 5’9” 191lb. I have been lifting since I was 21. I currently lift 4-5 times a week and eat at a caloric deficit for some weight loss and making great progress. I am looking to go dark. I am not looking for any rapid growth really. I kinda just want to grow at a steady pace with as little sides and stress placed on my body as possible. I am considering var, but everywhere I look people are saying to run a test base. Is this really necessary? I was watching some Mike Israetel videos and he said for var only, test isn’t necessary as it does not shut down endogenous production completely.
I would like some pointers and tips if you guys could help a noob out. Thanks

 

[sweatybiceps]

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What’s up everyone. I’m a 31 year old male 5’9” 191lb. I have been lifting since I was 21. I currently lift 4-5 times a week and eat at a caloric deficit for some weight loss and making great progress. I am looking to go dark. I am not looking for any rapid growth really. I kinda just want to grow at a steady pace with as little sides and stress placed on my body as possible. I am considering var, but everywhere I look people are saying to run a test base. Is this really necessary? I was watching some Mike Israetel videos and he said for var only, test isn’t necessary as it does not shut down endogenous production completely.
I would like some pointers and tips if you guys could help a noob out. Thanks

Just know once you go to the darkside, you will stay on the darkside

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

What’s up everyone. I’m a 31 year old male 5’9” 191lb. I have been lifting since I was 21. I currently lift 4-5 times a week and eat at a caloric deficit for some weight loss and making great progress. I am looking to go dark. I am not looking for any rapid growth really. I kinda just want to grow at a steady pace with as little sides and stress placed on my body as possible. I am considering var, but everywhere I look people are saying to run a test base. Is this really necessary? I was watching some Mike Israetel videos and he said for var only, test isn’t necessary as it does not shut down endogenous production completely.
I would like some pointers and tips if you guys could help a noob out. Thanks

run the test base trust me. For an oral anavar is nice and comes with lean mass gains, but the first time I ran test E was just an eye opening experience. Zero fatigue in the gym, constant gains, etc. You could throw some anavar in like 8 weeks into the test E cycle but the whole idea is to start with one supplement so you know how you react to it. Two compounds at once makes it harder to understand what is causing problems (if problems come up) just do your homework and have an AI and tamoxifen handy (I gave the same advice to someone yesterday on here also new)

 

[sweatybiceps]

run the test base trust me. For an oral anavar is nice and comes with lean mass gains, but the first time I ran test E was just an eye opening experience. Zero fatigue in the gym, constant gains, etc. You could throw some anavar in like 8 weeks into the test E cycle but the whole idea is to start with one supplement so you know how you react to it. Two compounds at once makes it harder to understand what is causing problems (if problems come up) just do your homework and have an AI and tamoxifen handy (I gave the same advice to someone yesterday on here also new)

What did you go with for dosage wise your first cycle run with test e and for how long ?

 

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When I read these threads i just shake my head. For one anavar isn't a miracle drug. For two they're still risks of toxicity. Three unless your diet is superb you're really not going to notice much.


I would honestly be embarrassed doing an anavar only cycle. I feel like if anybody found out they would lose respect for me

 

[Snowowl]

You want to run anavar and no test? Are you a female?

 

[Snowowl]

When I read these threads i just shake my head. For one anavar isn't a miracle drug. For two they're still risks of toxicity. Three unless your diet is superb you're really not going to notice much.


I would honestly be embarrassed doing an anavar only cycle. I feel like if anybody found out they would lose respect for me

I couldn’t have said it any better than this.

 

[sweatybiceps]

I couldn’t have said it any better than this.

When I read these threads i just shake my head. For one anavar isn't a miracle drug. For two they're still risks of toxicity. Three unless your diet is superb you're really not going to notice much.


I would honestly be embarrassed doing an anavar only cycle. I feel like if anybody found out they would lose respect for me

Most clinics hand it out like candy, which makes people believe it’s safe and the next best option to use besides testosterone.

But they also charge 400 bucks for a 60 count of 50mg anavar.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

You want to run anavar and no test? Are you a female?

I was thinking the same thing.

Most clinics hand it out like candy, which makes people believe it’s safe and the next best option to use besides testosterone.

But they also charge 400 bucks for a 60 count of 50mg anavar.

Yep. The one where I believe they're 5mg to make it even worse. 30 day supply like $290

 

[Pipsqueak]

So

run the test base trust me. For an oral anavar is nice and comes with lean mass gains, but the first time I ran test E was just an eye opening experience. Zero fatigue in the gym, constant gains, etc. You could throw some anavar in like 8 weeks into the test E cycle but the whole idea is to start with one supplement so you know how you react to it. Two compounds at once makes it harder to understand what is causing problems (if problems come up) just do your homework and have an AI and tamoxifen handy (I gave the same advice to someone yesterday on here also new)

Ok so what is the ideal test base for a first timer and what should I order in addition to the anavar and test c I already ordered?

 

[Deleted member 21405]

So

Ok so what is the ideal test base for a first timer and what should I order in addition to the anavar and test c I already ordered?

Pins of course. If you're planning to come off a pct like clomid or novladex. Research don't just jump right in. This is serious biz

 

[T&H]

So

Ok so what is the ideal test base for a first timer and what should I order in addition to the anavar and test c I already ordered?

We shouldn't hold your hand thru a first test cycle. Do some research as tons of info are out there.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

We shouldn't hold your hand thru a first test cycle. Do some research as tons of info are out there.

Notice the influx of these people lately? All anavar threads with the same content. Never seen a more needy crowd rolling through

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

Notice the influx of these people lately? All anavar threads with the same content. Never seen a more needy crowd rolling through

lol its hilarious a guy at work was saying the same thing, "I wanna run anavar bc im scared of needles" it seems like such a waste to run an anavar only cycle

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

What did you go with for dosage wise your first cycle run with test e and for how long ?

500mg x week for 12 weeks probably. I cant remember exactly it was like 7 years ago but thats probably what it was.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

lol its hilarious a guy at work was saying the same thing, "I wanna run anavar bc im scared of needles" it seems like such a waste to run an anavar only cycle

Seriously they need to save some of the gains for the rest of us with all of them they're gonna steal on that 25mg a day of anavar

 

[Dizzle92109]

What’s up everyone. I’m a 31 year old male 5’9” 191lb. I have been lifting since I was 21. I currently lift 4-5 times a week and eat at a caloric deficit for some weight loss and making great progress. I am looking to go dark. I am not looking for any rapid growth really. I kinda just want to grow at a steady pace with as little sides and stress placed on my body as possible. I am considering var, but everywhere I look people are saying to run a test base. Is this really necessary? I was watching some Mike Israetel videos and he said for var only, test isn’t necessary as it does not shut down endogenous production completely.
I would like some pointers and tips if you guys could help a noob out. Thanks

I don’t understand all the smartass replies. Dude is looking for help and IS trying to do his research by posting. Homie, skip the orals and just go with test c…500mg/wk - 12-16 wks. You will grow steady, as long as you eat and sleep well. It won’t be a crazy vascular juice freakish look if that’s what you’re worried about

 

[sweatybiceps]

I don’t understand all the smartass replies. Dude is looking for help and IS trying to do his research by posting. Homie, skip the orals and just go with test c…500mg/wk - 12-16 wks. You will grow steady, as long as you eat and sleep well. It won’t be a crazy vascular juice freakish look if that’s what you’re worried about

Curious. What’s the protocol after a 500 mg cycle for that long. How long until you can start that up again?

 

[Dizzle92109]

Curious. What’s the protocol after a 500 mg cycle for that long. How long until you can start that up again i

 

[Dizzle92109]

After a proper PCT, at least same time off as on. Definitely get bloods to confirm when ready.