100mg tren/week

[Minifridge99]

Keep in mind I’m just beginning doing cycles and still on my first one. But I’m genuinely curious and trying to learn as much as I can before making any decision about putting more compounds into my body. Now on to the actual question. If I were to use tren ace somewhere down the road, I’d be worried about some of the mental sides. Would starting at 100mg/week split into ED pinning, and going up maybe 50mg more per week be a good starting point if I decide to use it down the road? Figured it’d give me time to watch for and control sides.

 

[Gainscity]

Wait till ur 4th cycle to use tren. 25mg/day or 50mg eod is what most people start with. I recommend ED pinning with tren ace. Keep the dose low with tren your first run and only bump it up if you plateau. See how you tolerate it and go from there. Tren Ace is amazing shit man, weekly changes.

 

[Minifridge99]

Yeah for sure not gonna do it anytime soon. I’d rather save it for after I’ve done enough cycles to get a feel for any other compounds I choose to run. 25mg a day doesn’t sound too bad though. My next cycle I’ll be adding 200 npp with 500 test weekly. And depending on sides will probably bump Npp to 300. Will have caber on hand for that just in case.

 

[Gainscity]

Yeah for sure not gonna do it anytime soon. I’d rather save it for after I’ve done enough cycles to get a feel for any other compounds I choose to run. 25mg a day doesn’t sound too bad though. My next cycle I’ll be adding 200 npp with 500 test weekly. And depending on sides will probably bump Npp to 300. Will have caber on hand for that just in case.

Good plan. Keep caber on hand for tren as well to be safe.

 

[JDLift]

Tren is a meme. Reminder 99% of this board is either LARP or the users look like shit/lift like shit despite taking high doses of various drugs.
Test is more than enough to bulk or cut or build significant strength/athletic performance. Pop an oral daily on top of it if you really want more.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

Personally, I would not take all the advice above, just some. When I dipped my toes back in the Tren pool recently (after 10 years of being off) I started with 200mg Tren E for 5 weeks then bumped to 400mg once I realized I have very few sides. Ran caber at .25 x 1 to x2 a week. Did run Aromisan to control Estrogen as I was at 600mg Test. 12.5mg x 2. I personally think Tren A to start is shitty advice. Tren E typically presents way less side and if you start low, it's easy to see how you will respond.

 

[Minifridge99]

Main reason for tren a was to be able to pull back faster if I did get any sides. But I’ve also seen E has less chances of sides in some other posts I’ve read.

 

[Luxferro]

May I ask what your purpose is in running the Tren? Tren is really only useful in preserving muscle mass in a caloric deficit. It has excellent anti-catabolic effects but is a rather poor anabolic agent itself. Tren also improves nutrient partitioning significantly but is not a primary driver of anabolism in and of itself.

Studies have demonstrated that Tren has very potent anti-glucocorticoid properties. This means it antagonizes the cortisol receptor. This is what allows it to preserve muscle mass as cortisol generally breaks down muscle tissue.

You can reap the maximum anti-catabolic benefits of Tren at a dose of 50-100 mg per week.

As others have said, Tren E is definitely much more mild on side effects. Most likely it’s due to the greater stability in serum levels.

Also keep in mind in advance that you may feel like shit when coming off Tren. It has such potent CNS effects that stopping it abruptly can leave one in a bit of a depressed state. Not guaranteed to happen but just letting you know.

 

[Gainscity]

Personally, I would not take all the advice above, just some. When I dipped my toes back in the Tren pool recently (after 10 years of being off) I started with 200mg Tren E for 5 weeks then bumped to 400mg once I realized I have very few sides. Ran caber at .25 x 1 to x2 a week. Did run Aromisan to control Estrogen as I was at 600mg Test. 12.5mg x 2. I personally think Tren A to start is shitty advice. Tren E typically presents way less side and if you start low, it's easy to see how you will respond.

I don’t agree here. Tren Ace is in and out so sides will go away a hell of a lot quicker with Ace. If you get sides from tren e those side effects will linger around since tren e leaves the body slower. Pinning tren ace ed is better for avoiding sides and you get quicker results and more noticeable changes on a weekly basis. You will not get that result with tren e. Also it’ll take OP weeks to know how he’ll respond to tren e so I don’t see how that’s easy to know when he could know how he responds to tren ace within 1 week. I did tren Ace my first time and have no reason to change to tren e ever.

 

[Luxferro]

I don’t agree here. Tren Ace is in and out so sides will go away a hell of a lot quicker with Ace. If you get sides from tren e those side effects will linger around since tren e leaves the body slower. Pinning tren ace ed is better for avoiding sides and you get quicker results and more noticeable changes on a weekly basis. You will not get that result with tren e. Also it’ll take OP weeks to know how he’ll respond to tren e so I don’t see how that’s easy to know when he could know how he responds to tren ace within 1 week. I did tren Ace my first time and have no reason to change to tren e ever.

In principal, I totally agree with you. However, my own experience has been that the trensomnia in particular is horrendous with Tren A and tolerable with Tren E.

 

[Minifridge99]

May I ask what your purpose is in running the Tren? Tren is really only useful in preserving muscle mass in a caloric deficit. It has excellent anti-catabolic effects but is a rather poor anabolic agent itself. Tren also improves nutrient partitioning significantly but is not a primary driver of anabolism in and of itself.

Studies have demonstrated that Tren has very potent anti-glucocorticoid properties. This means it antagonizes the cortisol receptor. This is what allows it to preserve muscle mass as cortisol generally breaks down muscle tissue.

You can reap the maximum anti-catabolic benefits of Tren at a dose of 50-100 mg per week.

As others have said, Tren E is definitely much more mild on side effects. Most likely it’s due to the greater stability in serum levels.

Also keep in mind in advance that you may feel like shit when coming off Tren. It has such potent CNS effects that stopping it abruptly can leave one in a bit of a depressed state. Not guaranteed to happen but just letting you know.

If I were to use it, which definitely isn’t right now, it would be for preserving muscle in a deficit. That is why I was asking about such a low dose.

 

[FredFlinstone85]

There are certainly two camps on this. I can only go off my first-hand experience with both A and E. E hands down for me gave me the least amount of sides. I couldn't dose 2x as much and still have lower sides. That is just me. I have used Tren A and the mental sides hit like a fucking boulder.

 

[Luxferro]

There are certainly two camps on this. I can only go off my first-hand experience with both A and E. E hands down for me gave me the least amount of sides. I couldn't dose 2x as much and still have lower sides. That is just me. I have used Tren A and the mental sides hit like a fucking boulder.

I’m with Fred on this one. I think a lot of sides with most AAS can be ameliorated by using a longer acting ester and pinning daily. This setup guarantees essentially the most stable serum levels possible.

Even with test alone. I’ve observe (as have many), that pinning 2x or 3x per week can lead to major acne issues even when E2 is well managed. Switching to daily injections seems to help many as you maximize stability in serum levels.

You’ll also note this in guys who transition from blast dose to cruise dose without tapering. They usually end up with major acne breakouts. The solution is to slowly De-escalate your dose.

 

[Minifridge99]

I’m with Fred on this one. I think a lot of sides with most AAS can be ameliorated by using a longer acting ester and pinning daily. This setup guarantees essentially the most stable serum levels possible.

Even with test alone. I’ve observe (as have many), that pinning 2x or 3x per week can lead to major acne issues even when E2 is well managed. Switching to daily injections seems to help many as you maximize stability in serum levels.

You’ll also note this in guys who transition from blast dose to cruise dose without tapering. They usually end up with major acne breakouts. The solution is to slowly De-escalate your dose.

How gradually would I want to decrease dosage when going back to cruise? 100mg less a week or something?

 

[Luxferro]

How gradually would I want to decrease dosage when going back to cruise? 100mg less a week or something?

If I’m pinning daily, I’ll reduce by 10-15 mg per day until I reach my desired cruise dose.