Just a question for y’all, soon I’ll be hopping on my first cycle and I’m stuck between starting off with 300mg of test or 500mg. I realize that usually the more mg the more likely side effects will show up. However, I didn’t know if it was worth it starting off with 300 or 250 because I’m shutting down my natural test levels anyways. Yalls help is much appreciated!
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300mg of test or 500mg?
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it really depends on the person - I take TRT 100mg a week and I get sides just from that , but I started to stack deca with it 150mg a week to see how I respond I've been on TRT since 2018
I tread carefully because my hematocrit is always borderline and I get acne on my back - idk how people start their first cycle with 500 mg that's crazy for me to think about
I tread carefully because my hematocrit is always borderline and I get acne on my back - idk how people start their first cycle with 500 mg that's crazy for me to think about
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Bro science says 500, but honestly 300 you'd see some nice gains. Be careful 300 is even a lot
That’s what I’m saying I’m glad I have people like ya’ll that can guide me. I probably technically shouldn’t be hopping on but it’s for future body building purposes and I’m just curious. I was watching Derek from more plates more dates and he said he’d recommend starting out at 300 because you’d see results and have the least sides. I just don’t get the big difference from 250 to 300. I feel as if 250 would be safer but then I have guys like Derek saying 300 mg. So confusing lol!
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Steroids work best when abused. That's why prescription doses are far lower and most are not available through a doctor. With that said treat it as a dangerous medication because it is one. My first cycle was all over the place and I felt terrible. Tanked my estrogen a couple times, increased, decreased. Just stay consistent with that you are taking regarding hormones. You may react well to lower dose age or you may not. I def can tell you I'd not start with 500. You may feel like ass and have a bunch of e2 issues. Could also pyramid up to 300 and when you feel like trash you'll at least know your tolerance.
Do what works for you
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300mg is a great starting number, you're going to notice sizable improvements in strength and lean body mass. Its also a low enough number that you can establish a good baseline while also getting good data on how things like your e2 responds. With that data, you can plan more advanced cycles in the future, like higher test or running more than one compound. Have fun bud, first cycle is always the most fun, guarantee it will be the only time ya feel big, before you feel perma small like the rest of us lol
No, it's not. And no, you won't. This will be a weak cycle unless you're a skinny child or fat guy who never worked out before.
Even at a good 6x response rate, you will be at 1800ng/dl with that. That isn't even twice a natty range.
Stop telling people to shut down their balls so they can have less than 2x natty range.
MPMD is full of shit. He got swole by blasting high amounts of test, deca, tren, etc.
Now that he is rich he is telling people to use low dose.... But he himself didn't even use low dose. Stop listening to that dipshit selling fake test boosters
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We know nothing about OP. He's testing the waters so I am giving conservative advice.
Now I’m confused lol, my friend who’s been running peds for awhile told me to start with 500mg and then I have other people telling me to run 250 to 300mg. I’m “testing the waters” right now. This will be my first cycle ever. I just don’t want to screw myself over by giving myself a too high or too low cycle. Because no matter what I’m going to be shutting down my natural test levels anyways but I want a good starting point. The conversations here are all good, I’m just at a standstill now lol!
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500mg. Don't listen to the 300 crowd.
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500 without a doubt. Listen to the logic.. unless you are a “super” responder, if you respond at a rate of 5-6x, that is 5-6 X 300 which gives you a total concentration of 1500-1600 in the blood. High natty can be around 1000. That’s just stupid to shut down yourself for that. Thanks to garbage like Leo-longevity or vigorous Steve, MPMD, and so on, these young/new crowd goes around with the idea that that is a great place to start. Those are not credible sources. 500 or a little less. Sides shouldn’t be super bad at that dose and if they are? That’s the name of the game. Steroids will give you sides and it’s how you deal or minimize those or if not tolerable, you don’t use that compound.
Alright, so pretty much anything less than 500 is useless? We all know we can’t tell if we will be hyper responders or not. My test levels as of now are labeled “above average” for my age so I don’t know if that necessarily plays into anything. I’m glad I have y’all teaching me up on this stuff. It’s just super confusing because I hear stuff online and even local gym goers at my gym say that they didn’t notice big changes when they were on 500 mg to 250 which I think is bs. But you never know. I’m glad I’m getting a lot of good feedback in this thread!
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I disagree with all the 500mg a week shit lol.
I get sides from 100 mg a week TRT , if I did 500, my blood would be thick as yogurt lol.
but do what you feel is right for yourself - and get bloodwork - everyone is different - I respond pretty well to 100mg a week test and 300mg EQ when I did that a couple years back my test was in the 2000s range , test for me is very side effect driven , but orals also fuck me up. so again just listen to your body and not the amount - and bloodwork
this was my bloodwork from 100mg test and 300mg EQ a week and also 50mg Adrol
maybe the EQ was actually test LOL idk got it from colonial back in the day.
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Alright man I appreciate you, I get starting at 500 mg but my first impression was to either start at 250mg or 300mg which is still considered “high”. It’s more of a testing the waters thing for me. I feel like I’ll have good results off of either of these numbers. I just don’t want to take to much or too little ya know
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yea man, obviously you're going to have people in the thread with different opinions and experiences but nobody is wrong or right necessarily it's just a matter of how somebody responds and me personally I preferred getting a lot of blood work in the beginning testing out what did what to my body, and then gauging if I wanted to go further.
again if you want to go with the 500 that's totally up to you it's not like doing it and then getting blood work that's not like you're going to die just from doing that once it could possibly be a good way to start just starting all the way at the higher end and seeing what you need to do to take it down if you do you know