3rd Blast, PIP still occurring even with new source/different carrier oil

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HeavyHotDog" pid='60135' dateline='1562692315:

kingofcarbz" pid='60019' dateline='1562614576:

Sterile oil. Dilute your shots with 1:1 or 2:1 (oil:gear) and report back. Alpha pharma on amazon/eBay for under $10

appropionate" pid='60094' dateline='1562649380:

I’ve seen people get PIP from all kinds of carrier oils and test straight from german pharmacy as well - I’ve since discovered that sesame oil agrees with even these people the best, so I suggest getting a vial of that to try

Sesame as a carrier oil, or as a diluent? Do you know anyone in the source list who uses sesame as their carrier?

At least a few of the sources don’t list which carrier oil they use, which is a bit frustrating. Thanks for your input.

@“kingofcarbz” I have sterile grapeseed oil for this exact purpose. Will give it a shot. Literally.

Awesome, lemme know how it goes. Here’s the approach I’d take if you care to hear it:

2:1 ratio of oil:gear for the first shot (so say it’s a 1 cc shot of gear, do 2 cc of oil with 1 cc gear), and yes I know it sounds like a lot of oil volume but I can promise you I get so much less pip with a 3 cc shot including 2cc oil than a 1cc shot of just gear.

If sufficient relief is found, keep it the same and try to lower the ratio by a slight bit over time until you determine the sweet spot for you (personally a 1:1 ratio works well for me and most others I’ve suggested it to)

If the issue remains just as severe if not worse, I would consider pinning the sterile oil by itself to see if it could actually be a reaction to the carrier oil itself. If no pip/reaction occurs, you know it isn’t the oil and rather the bb/ba content, ester, or drug itself.

Please keep us updated. I’ll be following hoping to hear some good news

 

[HeavyHotDog]

kingofcarbz" pid='60166' dateline='1562705745:

HeavyHotDog" pid='60135' dateline='1562692315:

kingofcarbz" pid='60019' dateline='1562614576:

Sterile oil. Dilute your shots with 1:1 or 2:1 (oil:gear) and report back. Alpha pharma on amazon/eBay for under $10

appropionate" pid='60094' dateline='1562649380:

I’ve seen people get PIP from all kinds of carrier oils and test straight from german pharmacy as well - I’ve since discovered that sesame oil agrees with even these people the best, so I suggest getting a vial of that to try

Sesame as a carrier oil, or as a diluent? Do you know anyone in the source list who uses sesame as their carrier?

At least a few of the sources don’t list which carrier oil they use, which is a bit frustrating. Thanks for your input.

@“kingofcarbz” I have sterile grapeseed oil for this exact purpose. Will give it a shot. Literally.

Awesome, lemme know how it goes. Here’s the approach I’d take if you care to hear it:

2:1 ratio of oil:gear for the first shot (so say it’s a 1 cc shot of gear, do 2 cc of oil with 1 cc gear), and yes I know it sounds like a lot of oil volume but I can promise you I get so much less pip with a 3 cc shot including 2cc oil than a 1cc shot of just gear.

If sufficient relief is found, keep it the same and try to lower the ratio by a slight bit over time until you determine the sweet spot for you (personally a 1:1 ratio works well for me and most others I’ve suggested it to)

If the issue remains just as severe if not worse, I would consider pinning the sterile oil by itself to see if it could actually be a reaction to the carrier oil itself. If no pip/reaction occurs, you know it isn’t the oil and rather the bb/ba content, ester, or drug itself.

Please keep us updated. I’ll be following hoping to hear some good news

Hey man, thanks a whole bunch for taking the time to write out your thoughts. It’s encouraging.

I will absolutely try your suggestions and report back with details.

Have a nice evening. Cheers.

 

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HeavyHotDog" pid='60186' dateline='1562716389:

kingofcarbz" pid='60166' dateline='1562705745:

HeavyHotDog" pid='60135' dateline='1562692315:

kingofcarbz" pid='60019' dateline='1562614576:

Sterile oil. Dilute your shots with 1:1 or 2:1 (oil:gear) and report back. Alpha pharma on amazon/eBay for under $10

appropionate" pid='60094' dateline='1562649380:

I’ve seen people get PIP from all kinds of carrier oils and test straight from german pharmacy as well - I’ve since discovered that sesame oil agrees with even these people the best, so I suggest getting a vial of that to try

Sesame as a carrier oil, or as a diluent? Do you know anyone in the source list who uses sesame as their carrier?

At least a few of the sources don’t list which carrier oil they use, which is a bit frustrating. Thanks for your input.

@“kingofcarbz” I have sterile grapeseed oil for this exact purpose. Will give it a shot. Literally.

Awesome, lemme know how it goes. Here’s the approach I’d take if you care to hear it:

2:1 ratio of oil:gear for the first shot (so say it’s a 1 cc shot of gear, do 2 cc of oil with 1 cc gear), and yes I know it sounds like a lot of oil volume but I can promise you I get so much less pip with a 3 cc shot including 2cc oil than a 1cc shot of just gear.

If sufficient relief is found, keep it the same and try to lower the ratio by a slight bit over time until you determine the sweet spot for you (personally a 1:1 ratio works well for me and most others I’ve suggested it to)

If the issue remains just as severe if not worse, I would consider pinning the sterile oil by itself to see if it could actually be a reaction to the carrier oil itself. If no pip/reaction occurs, you know it isn’t the oil and rather the bb/ba content, ester, or drug itself.

Please keep us updated. I’ll be following hoping to hear some good news

Hey man, thanks a whole bunch for taking the time to write out your thoughts. It’s encouraging.

I will absolutely try your suggestions and report back with details.

Have a nice evening. Cheers.

Don’t mention it brother. Members like yourself are an absolute pleasure to have around.

Thank you, and likewise! Really hoping it can at the very least provide you some noticeable relief.

 

[appropionate]

HeavyHotDog" pid='60135' dateline='1562692315:

Sesame as a carrier oil, or as a diluent? Do you know anyone in the source list who uses sesame as their carrier?

At least a few of the sources don’t list which carrier oil they use, which is a bit frustrating. Thanks for your input.

carrier - Hilma does (not on here), got a dozen bro’s on their stuff and never seen less PIP from a source.

 

[HeavyHotDog]

Test No. 1: Sterile Grapeseed Oil alone was pain free. It was amazing… almost like injecting oil with nothing in it 1mL and 24 hours later felt zero pain in the injection site.

Last night I added .5mL GSO to my Test E pin. PIP today. Tomorrow for next pin I will dilute 1:1 and report back.

Have a nice day.

 

[HeavyHotDog]

@“kingofcarbz”

Diluting my Mig840 Test E 250 1:1.5 with sterile grapeseed oil has reduced PIP/swelling/hardness by about 50%. Will try 1:2 and see if the extra oil helps further.

Do any of you go very slow pushing the pin beneath the skin?
Or do you go smooth and a bit quicker in one smooth motion to penetrate your skin at the desired depth?

 

[alphaproject]

Depends where I shoot. In my glutes I go slower in case I hit a nerve, usually don’t. Shoulder I try to get it in as quick as possible. I don’t do quads had way too many issues 1 month with swelling and pain… no need to try again. I think I hit the tensor fascia and upper side of the hip as well. Tried to find the area but it’s hard to point out in some pictures. I’m very surprised the Test 250 is giving you pip watered down. I diluted the Test 400 1:1 and it feels like a normal mild pain without losing flexibility or bloating. 3/10 pain I can tolerate. For the last good 3 months I’ve pretty much been pip free since using the GSO and Masteron to dilute the stronger test ratio vials.

 

[Masterofron]

I would personally advise to always go push the oil in very steady and slow. I think a lot of PIP comes from poor injections. For minimal pip, make sure also that your injecting into a larger muscle with the appropriate sized needle.

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alphaproject" pid='61462' dateline='1563498306:

Depends where I shoot. In my glutes I go slower in case I hit a nerve, usually don’t. Shoulder I try to get it in as quick as possible. I don’t do quads had way too many issues 1 month with swelling and pain… no need to try again. I think I hit the tensor fascia and upper side of the hip as well. Tried to find the area but it’s hard to point out in some pictures. I’m very surprised the Test 250 is giving you pip watered down. I diluted the Test 400 1:1 and it feels like a normal mild pain without losing flexibility or bloating. 3/10 pain I can tolerate. For the last good 3 months I’ve pretty much been pip free since using the GSO and Masteron to dilute the stronger test ratio vials.

@“Jacked”

Hehe I’m trying to stir shit up

 

[Harbenger]

PIP sucks. I have read of ppl doing subQ T on TRT forums with a slin pin and Fuck that shit it is not for me.

I swear it was on here but could have been somewhere else that I read about the Z Track injection method and it works for me. Using MCT or GSO I am G2G, never tried 840.

Some injection sites are impossible using this method without assistance

 

[Jacked]

Masterofron" pid='61499' dateline='1563527750:

I would personally advise to always go push the oil in very steady and slow. I think a lot of PIP comes from poor injections. For minimal pip, make sure also that your injecting into a larger muscle with the appropriate sized needle.

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alphaproject" pid='61462' dateline='1563498306:

Depends where I shoot. In my glutes I go slower in case I hit a nerve, usually don’t. Shoulder I try to get it in as quick as possible. I don’t do quads had way too many issues 1 month with swelling and pain… no need to try again. I think I hit the tensor fascia and upper side of the hip as well. Tried to find the area but it’s hard to point out in some pictures. I’m very surprised the Test 250 is giving you pip watered down. I diluted the Test 400 1:1 and it feels like a normal mild pain without losing flexibility or bloating. 3/10 pain I can tolerate. For the last good 3 months I’ve pretty much been pip free since using the GSO and Masteron to dilute the stronger test ratio vials.

@“Jacked”

Hehe I’m trying to stir shit up

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Did that dumb shit say he pinned quads and hit his hip? How the fuck can you be that fucking dumb? Oh wait this is the same guy that pins forearms so never mind.

 

[yelruP]

Jacked" pid='61519' dateline='1563547199:

Masterofron" pid='61499' dateline='1563527750:

I would personally advise to always go push the oil in very steady and slow. I think a lot of PIP comes from poor injections. For minimal pip, make sure also that your injecting into a larger muscle with the appropriate sized needle.

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alphaproject" pid='61462' dateline='1563498306:

Depends where I shoot. In my glutes I go slower in case I hit a nerve, usually don’t. Shoulder I try to get it in as quick as possible. I don’t do quads had way too many issues 1 month with swelling and pain… no need to try again. I think I hit the tensor fascia and upper side of the hip as well. Tried to find the area but it’s hard to point out in some pictures. I’m very surprised the Test 250 is giving you pip watered down. I diluted the Test 400 1:1 and it feels like a normal mild pain without losing flexibility or bloating. 3/10 pain I can tolerate. For the last good 3 months I’ve pretty much been pip free since using the GSO and Masteron to dilute the stronger test ratio vials.

@“Jacked”

Hehe I’m trying to stir shit up

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Did that dumb shit say he pinned quads and hit his hip? How the fuck can you be that fucking dumb? Oh wait this is the same guy that pins forearms so never mind.

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Dude wtf

 

[alphaproject]

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Did that dumb shit say he pinned quads and hit his hip? How the fuck can you be that fucking dumb? Oh wait this is the same guy that pins forearms so never mind.
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Nope, I did not hit my hip bone. Keep making things up. I clearly said I’m done with quads forever so I went to the hip area muscles. Fucking read u retard.

 

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HeavyHotDog" pid='61390' dateline='1563467409:

@“kingofcarbz”

Diluting my Mig840 Test E 250 1:1.5 with sterile grapeseed oil has reduced PIP/swelling/hardness by about 50%. Will try 1:2 and see if the extra oil helps further.

Do any of you go very slow pushing the pin beneath the skin?
Or do you go smooth and a bit quicker in one smooth motion to penetrate your skin at the desired depth?

50% is huge man! That’s game changing and I’m real happy to hear it’s been providing relief.

Not to be rude, but since you literally did the opposite of what I suggested, I’m just gonna let you do your thing going forward instead of giving further input. Best of luck homie (no hard feelings at all, hope it doesn’t come off that way)!
alphaproject" pid='61462' dateline='1563498306:

In my glutes I go slower in case I hit a nerve, usually don’t.

You do know that glutes are the one site that don’t have a risk of hitting nerves unless you perform the injection incorrectly (wrong location), right?

Unless you are talking about VG when you say “glutes”, but that would be a wording error on your end since VG =/= glutes when referencing injection sites. Glutes would be the upper outer quadrant of the glute medius, which is somewhere nerves should not be getting hit or even something to be concerned about.

Feel free to let me know if you need a diagram or anything to assist you in making sure your shots are placed correctly going forward. There are plenty of them out there on Google, but I’ll gladly grab one to show you upon request.