7 vials of Mast P 200, 4 crystallized, 3 completely clear.

[Dexter]

Seven vials Mast P 200 were purchased recently.

4 vials are packed with crystallization…this is good for me as I know it’s potent.

3 vials completely clear, even after setting them in the fridge to let the crystals precipitate for 24 hours.

All seven have same brew and expiration date.

My question is if this was all brewed at the same time, why are the 3 vials completely clear with out a single tiny crystal, while the other 4 have crystallization.

And I put some of my prior Mast P in the fridge as a control and they started clumping.

Any insights into this?

 

[Primobro]

Dexter" pid='66960' dateline='1567263769:

Seven vials Mast P 200 were purchased recently.

4 vials are packed with crystallization…this is good for me as I know it’s potent.

3 vials completely clear, even after setting them in the fridge to let the crystals precipitate for 24 hours.

All seven have same brew and expiration date.

My question is if this was all brewed at the same time, why are the 3 vials completely clear with out a single tiny crystal, while the other 4 have crystallization throughout.

And I put some of my prior Mast P in the fridge as a control and they started clumping.

Any insights into this?

If they’re all the same batch there should be no reason all 7 of them are not crashed as well. They would all have the same solvent ratio. Did you purchase them on the same order?

 

[Dexter]

Primobro" pid='66969' dateline='1567270634:

If they’re all the same batch there should be no reason all 7 of them are not crashed as well. They would all have the same solvent ratio. Did you purchase them on the same order?

The opened vial was purchased a couple of weeks prior to the most recent order containing 6 more vials.

all contain mfg date 4/19, exp 4/21

There all mig840 200mg/ml.

It’s possible they could have been two different brews, different ratios of solvents. There has to be a difference in those three vials with no crystallization.

My experience with mast P at 200 is that it tends to crash. I have plenty of mast E 200 on hand and that doesn’t usually crash.

I’ve provided some photos. From left to right, 3 clear vials, the 4 to the right have crystals. The three without crystals spent the last 24 in the fridge. The open vial was used as a control as it was completely clear before I put it in the fridge.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/2k50o6nw0/

 

[Dexter]

SouthernCompounding" pid='66988' dateline='1567283790:

Assuming that you’ve drawn from the vial, you’ve now changed the internal pressure of the vial which is why it was clear before you opened it and has now started crashing. When we bottle these, the fluid generally comes right up to the bottom most point of the stopper, often times to the extent that the stoppers will only stay in the vial once the crimp tops are applied. This creates pressure in the vials which prevents the compound from crashing. The second you puncture the seal and begin drawing from the vial, you’re removing pressurized air and fluid and that once high level of pressure goes away.

Thanks for getting back to me.

I opened/cleaned tops/vented with a 20g 3cc syringe with no plunger attached all three vials with no crystals, pulled the needle out and put them in the refrigerator.

I’ll check for any crystallization in 24hrs.

 

[HeathGT]

I got 2 vials from the same batch, one was crashed the other wasn’t. I uncrashed the crashed one and have been using it first. It hasn’t recrashed. You’re making me want to throw the one that wasn’t crashed into the fridge now just to see.
Edit Just threw mine in the freezer. Should get results faster yeah? Lol

 

[Primobro]

Dexter" pid='66994' dateline='1567286901:

SouthernCompounding" pid='66988' dateline='1567283790:

Assuming that you’ve drawn from the vial, you’ve now changed the internal pressure of the vial which is why it was clear before you opened it and has now started crashing. When we bottle these, the fluid generally comes right up to the bottom most point of the stopper, often times to the extent that the stoppers will only stay in the vial once the crimp tops are applied. This creates pressure in the vials which prevents the compound from crashing. The second you puncture the seal and begin drawing from the vial, you’re removing pressurized air and fluid and that once high level of pressure goes away.

Thanks for getting back to me.

I opened/cleaned tops/vented with a 20g 3cc syringe with no plunger attached all three vials with no crystals, pulled the needle out and put them in the refrigerator.

I’ll check for any crystallization in 24hrs.

The pressure issue makes sense but I guess we’ll know for sure in 24 hrs.

 

[Dexter]

SouthernCompounding" pid='66988' dateline='1567283790:

Assuming that you’ve drawn from the vial, you’ve now changed the internal pressure of the vial which is why it was clear before you opened it and has now started crashing.

The first vial of Mast P 200 was crashed when I got it in the mail. I warmed the first vial and used it a few times.

I then placed another order for 6 vials because I figured it’s well dosed due to the first vial being heavily crystallized.

After receiving the second order, I put the first (opened) vial in the fridge as a positive control along with the 3 vials that were clear from the second order. The opened vial crystallized again rather rapidly and the other 3 unopened vials didn’t crystallize at all.

So now onto the next step after venting the 3 clear vials.

I’ll post photos when the 2nd round 24hr fridge experiment ends.

This isn’t an attack on SoCo. His stuff that I have received is top notch. He was right about his Test Acetate 100mg, I receive that with my 6 vials of Mast P order, and Test A was crystallized, warmed and injected. Love to see crystals and there was zero pip with gso.

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5hrs refrigeration have passed, no crystals.

Decided to pull and waste 0.75ml from each of the 3 clear vials to see if that will help start precipitation.

Back in the fridge until 9-1 1700.

 

[MentalPariah]

So just my 2 cents having a little experience with SoCo mast200.

When I recieved mine it looked like glass shards in oil, very badly crashed. I soaked it in boiling water for almost an hour to no avail. It wasnt until I vented the bottle and THEN hit the hot water bath that it became soluble again, and within a min. Since venting it has not crashed since even at the last fraction if a ML. Knowing what I know about chemistry I have had a hypothesis. For 1) as @“SouthernCompounding” said pressure has a large part to play here, but I think it’s the opposite. The vial I vented had what seemed like alot of pressure for a small vial, a ver audible hiss. I suspect the pressure is changing the saturation point of the oil. Which brings me to point number 2) saturation or hypersaturation of a liquid. As with all high dose gear, they crash. Cramming that much hormone I to a solution using solvents is subject to crash even at a fraction of a percent difference in solvent concentration. So it makes sense that a few of OPs crashed an a few didnt…small percent differences in solvent causing a hyper solute liquid to no longer be hyper solute. Look up “hot ice” for a good example. It has nothing to do with the concentration of hormone in your vials op, but the variables in solvent concentration.
I hope I didnt screw that up and sorry for going full nerd. The original post was way way way too long haha

 

[Dexter]

When I recieved mine it looked like glass shards in oil, very badly crashed.

Yes the first order vial had crystallized hormone. I warmed mine on a coffee cup heater and injected it once it cooled. Everything fine with the first vial.
MentalPariah" pid='67070' dateline='1567350745:

The vial I vented had what seemed like alot of pressure for a small vial, a ver audible hiss. I suspect the pressure is changing the saturation point of the oil.

Slight pressure difference when you have 7 vials that were the same brew, all filled to what looks like the same level(up to the bottom of the stopper. The saturation point or how much the solvent and oil will hold was obviously exceeded on the vials with crystallization and not on the clear vials.

small percent differences in solvent causing a hyper solute liquid to no longer be hyper solute. Look up “hot ice” for a good example. It has nothing to do with the concentration of hormone in your vials op, but the variables in solvent concentration.

One would have to explain the small percent difference in solvent concentration from the same brew.

Hot Ice is a supersaturated solution of sodium acetate. If we separated the solution of sodium acetate(Hot Ice) into one hundred 10ml vials and touched each vial containing solution with sodium acetate crystals they would all form crystallization.

Great post and suggestions Mentalpariah. I’m not saying you aren’t onto anything.

The brewing process took place at the same time for each of the 7 vials. We know 4 out of the seven were hypersaturated with hormone due to crystallization, the other 3 aren’t showing any signs of saturation.

The research shall continue.

 

[MentalPariah]

That’s why I said hypothesis not theory.
Evaporation of solvent can account for small percentage differences, loss during filtering, improper handling of product (not accusing just stating). Its the solvents job to facilitate the conditions to super saturate the oils. I’d be willing to bet its going to come down to a fine line of solvent to hormone load in the oils. Testing would be required though and that’s ridiculous lol. I wasnt trying to be right, this is just the kinds of things that keep me awake at night because believe me I though about every Avenue of possibility when I saw the crashed product I had Haha. I do enjoy the conversation though, no one is willing to have conversation anymore these days and thats a huge problem.

 

[Dexter]

MentalPariah" pid='67087' dateline='1567356000:

Evaporation of solvent can account for small percentage differences, loss during filtering, improper handling of product (not accusing just stating). Its the solvents job to facilitate the conditions to super saturate the oils. I’d be willing to bet its going to come down to a fine line of solvent to hormone load in the oils.

Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol shouldn’t evaporate that quickly. Then again I don’t know the time period that took place between cool down, filtering and capping. It’s possible differences could come down to filtering.

I wouldn’t figure you’d want to cook up a thousand vials of mast at once because the raws cost about 6 times more then test. Small batches of Masteron would make more sense in case of a problem so you don’t throw a thousand dollars down the toilet.

I’ve never brewed, but I plan to do it in the next 6 months as I want more control over what I put in my body. And I also want a five year supply of everything I use so I can take a long break from buying small $250 orders that waste a lot of time.

 

[ForceAndFinesse91]

Had a pretty similar experience with the mast p and test p. I took a chance by starting my cycle/ blast with the mast p that wasnt crashed (even after fridge and freezer day after i got it, though i honestly didnt think to change the internal pressure of the vial so cant speak on what that would or wouldnt do)

I go milligram for milligram on the mast with test to avoid needing an a.i and thus far ita 100% done its job on that and and ive had the same experince with it so far as anybody that responds well to it at an adequate dose so i figured that there was a chance the brew was let to sit out for a little bit on the heat and the b.a/b.b (which im not sure about this as a possibility) either rises or falls due to density variation in the mig when left to settle while warm and what was pushed into the vials came predominately from either the top of bottom of the beaker?

 

[Dexter]

ForceAndFinesse91" pid='67093' dateline='1567358662:

I go milligram for milligram on the mast with test to avoid needing an a.i and thus far ita 100% done its job on that and and ive had the same experince with it so far as anybody that responds well to it at an adequate dose so i figured that there was a chance the brew was let to sit out for a little bit on the heat and the b.a/b.b (which im not sure about this as a possibility) either rises or falls due to density variation in the mig when left to settle while warm and what was pushed into the vials came predominately from either the top of bottom of the beaker?

Mig840 oil almost acts like a solvent unto itself, however I have never brewed. Seems like Mig and especially EO oil are great for holding high concentrations.

Ultimately only the brewer can answer any of these questions.

1. How long the brew process took from cooking to capping all the vials.
2. If solvent evaporation or concentrations could vary at different depths of the beaker during brew if loading the vials took a long time with heated beaker.
3. If solution cooled and filter clogged, I doubt that because warmed oil should keep Mast in suspension for hours after it’s cooled, even if it’s supersaturated.
   What is the filtering process for this stuff, is it done in one large batch with one filter or multiple filters.

 

[HeathGT]

So I’ve had the vial that wasn’t crashed when I received them in the freezer for about 24 hours now and no crystalization at all.

 

[Dexter]

24hr Refrigerator experiment is completed.

The pictures of end result:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/e55pnkog/

I’ve got the vials listed 1 thru 7.

Vials 1,2,3,4,5,6, were from the second order.

Vial 7 was the first order.

All have the same manufactured date 4/19, Mig840 Mast-P 200mg.

Vials 1,2,3 were vials received without any crashing. After venting each of these clear vials, pulling out and wasting 0.75ml all three of them show no crystallization after 24 hrs at 36 degrees F.

Vials 4,5,6,7 were all received crashed, they all remain crashed at room temperature. All show crystals to varying degrees. These are fantastic, vial 7 has been used for several injections so far.

Not wanting to purchase a roid test for masteron to test vials 1,2 or 3 without crystals and this wouldn’t quantify what’s in the vials.

This is basically a batch with a question mark?

I’ll continue to keep vials 1,2,3 in the fridge until SoCo gets back from vacation.

 

[HeathGT]

I have the exact same results from the same batch. Keep in mind that mine has been in the FREEZER at approx 0F for over 24 hours now with no crystalization. The other vial was crashed at room temp. I’ll leave the uncrashed vial in the freezer to see if anything changes.

 

[Dexter]

HeathGT" pid='67135' dateline='1567387386:

I have the exact same results from the same batch. Keep in mind that mine has been in the FREEZER at approx 0F for over 24 hours now with no crystalization. The other vial was crashed at room temp. I’ll leave the uncrashed vial in the freezer to see if anything changes.

Do we have something in these clear vials that is keeping the saturation soluble unlike the others that were delivered crashed?

Either way I’m not injecting vials 1,2, and 3, the OCD in me wants to know why the difference in consistency.

We know it’s not a matter of stretching the Raw Mast because there’s obviously plenty in the crashed vials. So why the hit and miss?

There’s no way to know what’s going on without testing/quantifying one of these vials.

There’s no shame in brewing an inconsistent batch, it’s little more then a snapshot, it doesn’t indicate good or bad, it just leaves me with a question that ultimately can’t be answered on my end.

 

[HeathGT]

Dexter" pid='67139' dateline='1567394635:

HeathGT" pid='67135' dateline='1567387386:

I have the exact same results from the same batch. Keep in mind that mine has been in the FREEZER at approx 0F for over 24 hours now with no crystalization. The other vial was crashed at room temp. I’ll leave the uncrashed vial in the freezer to see if anything changes.

Do we have something in these clear vials that is keeping the saturation soluble unlike the others that were delivered crashed?

Either way I’m not injecting vials 1,2, and 3, the OCD in me wants to know why the difference in consistency.

We know it’s not a matter of stretching the Raw Mast because there’s obviously plenty in the crashed vials. So why the hit and miss?

There’s no way to know what’s going on without testing/quantifying one of these vials.

There’s no shame in brewing an inconsistent batch, it’s little more then a snapshot, it doesn’t indicate good or bad, it just leaves me with a question that ultimately can’t be answered on my end.

Yeah I agree. It wouldn’t be so weird to me if one crashed at room temp and the other didn’t, BUT one is crashed at room temp and the other won’t crash even at 0F, 31 degrees below freezing for over 24 hours.

 

[Dexter]

HeathGT" pid='67140' dateline='1567396003:

Yeah I agree. It wouldn’t be so weird to me if one crashed at room temp and the other didn’t, BUT one is crashed at room temp and the other won’t crash even at 0F, 31 degrees below freezing for over 24 hours.

I’m gonna catch shit for this thread, but I might as well come right out.

The one nagging question I have is who brewed these vials?

If it wasn’t brewed by SoCo, how hard would it be to fill a few vials with mig840/BA and sell them. No one would know except the brewer.

Raw Mast is 6 times more expensive then T.

I don’t run labs for Masteron, I go for how it dries me out, i know what it feels like. This would be anecdotal at best.

I do remember the comment awhile back that he was having someone else brew because he has carpel tunnel, however these are dated 4/19, most of the new stuff from the new brewer was supposed to be 20ml of which I have 6 of those and they’re fine.

Anyone that wants to email me privately about this matter can

[email protected]

 

[HeathGT]

Dexter" pid='67144' dateline='1567398920:

HeathGT" pid='67140' dateline='1567396003:

Yeah I agree. It wouldn’t be so weird to me if one crashed at room temp and the other didn’t, BUT one is crashed at room temp and the other won’t crash even at 0F, 31 degrees below freezing for over 24 hours.

I’m gonna catch shit for this thread, but I might as well come right out.

The one nagging question I have is who brewed these vials?

If it wasn’t brewed by SoCo, how hard would it be to fill a few vials with mig840/BA and sell them. No one would know except the brewer.

Raw Mast is 6 times more expensive then T.

I don’t run labs for Masteron, I go for how it dries me out, i know what it feels like. This would be anecdotal at best.

I do remember the comment awhile back that he was having someone else brew because he has carpel tunnel, however these are dated 4/19, most of the new stuff from the new brewer was supposed to be 20ml of which I have 6 of those and they’re fine.

Anyone that wants to email me privately about this matter can

[email protected]

Yeah I remember him saying that as well. I know everyone is going to say the only way to know is to send one of the vials that won’t crash and one of the crashed vials to jano for testing but either way, it does say SOMETHING if Mast P 200 crashes at room temp and SOME of these vials won’t crash at all even below freezing for over 24 hours right?