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Any of you retards neurodivergent?

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I found out a couple of years ago that I have pretty severe ADHD.

At the time, outside of ASD, I was not very educated on neurodivergence and how it affected people.

But when started adderall, it immediately felt like a lightbulb turned on in my head.

I'm curious how many of you folks are also neurodivergent, and if that plays any role in your AAS usage or management?
 

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How did you find this out?
Idk if I am neurodivergent but i am definitely retarded
 

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That's just a term young kids use to describe any of their "quirky" characteristics. I've seen so many tiktoks or stuff on Instagram where these idiots say everything they do is because they are neurodivirgent. You're just hyper. Get over it.
 

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There's an assessment you can do to find out.
And no matter how you answer, they'll tell you you have something or the other and they have just the right pill for you. Never forget that doctors and big pharma are a business and businesses main goal is to make money. You're the customer.
 

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And no matter how you answer, they'll tell you you have something or the other and they have just the right pill for you. Never forget that doctors and big pharma are a business and businesses main goal is to make money. You're the customer.

Damn dude, you good?
 

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And no matter how you answer, they'll tell you you have something or the other and they have just the right pill for you. Never forget that doctors and big pharma are a business and businesses main goal is to make money. You're the customer.
This is a ridiculous take. First, doctors don't get paid a commission for prescribing medications. Doctors don't get a commission on the medications they prescribe. They get the same money from your office visit if they tell you to pursue diet and exercise or if they write you a dozen scripts. Only if you go doctor shopping will you get a doctor who gives you whatever you're looking for -- they're out there, and they usually run TRT clinics or do Brazilian butt lifts on an assembly line.

The only arrangement that would even make sense would be a pharmaceutical company bribing a doctor for the promise of prescriptions. However, there are severe flaws in that thought process. First, the money in prescriptions predominately goes to pharmacy benefit managers and insurance companies. Not doctors, not pharmacies, and increasingly not even the manufacturers. The people getting rich are the ones who push paper, not pills. Second, while this kind of bribery has happened in the past and I'm sure it's gonna happen in the future, we now have something called Prescription Drug Monitoring Programs, which are national or regional databases that track who prescribes, fills, and consumes controlled substances. Between that governmental oversight and the shifting policies in practice groups, it's much harder to both dispense and receive potentially dangerous medications for conditions where they're not indicated. Third -- and this is massively important -- the ADHD medications that comprise over 95% of the prescriptions for ADHD are in generic. Adderall, Concerta, Focalin, Vyvanse, Ritalin, and so on. There's no "big pharma" entity there to be handing out piles of cash. There's a shortage of ADHD meds because there's not a ton of money in supplying them anymore. That's the exact same reason there's a shortage of insulin and many opiate formulations.

There's not even enough money in fulfilling the demand, much less greasing the palm of one doctor at a time, all 200,000+ primary care/family medicine docs in the country.
 

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This is a ridiculous take. First, doctors don't get paid a commission for prescribing medications. Doctors don't get a commission on the medications they prescribe. They get the same money from your office visit if they tell you to pursue diet and exercise or if they write you a dozen scripts. Only if you go doctor shopping will you get a doctor who gives you whatever you're looking for -- they're out there, and they usually run TRT clinics or do Brazilian butt lifts on an assembly line.

The only arrangement that would even make sense would be a pharmaceutical company bribing a doctor for the promise of prescriptions. However, there are severe flaws in that thought process. First, the money in prescriptions predominately goes to pharmacy benefit managers and insurance companies. Not doctors, not pharmacies, and increasingly not even the manufacturers. The people getting rich are the ones who push paper, not pills. Second, while this kind of bribery has happened in the past and I'm sure it's gonna happen in the future, we now have something called Prescription Drug Monitoring Programs, which are national or regional databases that track who prescribes, fills, and consumes controlled substances. Between that governmental oversight and the shifting policies in practice groups, it's much harder to both dispense and receive potentially dangerous medications for conditions where they're not indicated. Third -- and this is massively important -- the ADHD medications that comprise over 95% of the prescriptions for ADHD are in generic. Adderall, Concerta, Focalin, Vyvanse, Ritalin, and so on. There's no "big pharma" entity there to be handing out piles of cash. There's a shortage of ADHD meds because there's not a ton of money in supplying them anymore. That's the exact same reason there's a shortage of insulin and many opiate formulations.

There's not even enough money in fulfilling the demand, much less greasing the palm of one doctor at a time, all 200,000+ primary care/family medicine docs in the country.
I stopped reading after the first sentence because it's wrong and, well, way too long. They absolutely do get much backs from medicine. Do you know how much money sales reps make for taking doctors out to lunch and explaining how this new drug is a miracle with no side effects. How do you think Oxys were pushed? But anyways, yes it is all a business and a good one at that
 

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It's nice when someone announces they have a hard time reading before offering their opinion so you know up front that you can discount it
I can read just fine. I just didn't want to read your thesis. I don't want to read the Twilight series either. Has nothing to do with ability. Thank you for letting us know YOU can't read. Now we know how to proceed.
 

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Lol fuckin zoomzoom shit. Pro tip: If nobody told you that how you are is 'wRoNg', you would never even consider yourself to have an issue. Y'all are just eating up the bullshit being fed to you by retards looking to cash in on the human condition.
 

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When I was in the first grade the teachers told my parents I walk around the class and don’t listen very well while all the other students sit and listen. They suggested I be held back. My parents told them no.

I’m still the same now. I can’t sit still , while my co workers can. Everyone’s different. I like to be on the go and moving around some people like the opposite.

I’ve taken amphetamines in the past prescribed by a doctor and still have the active script.

Those meds are fun for the first couple of years then they suck the life and soul out of you.

I use to get an endorphin/serotonin rush when I was taking them for the first few years and I would be more focused and sit still.

Now I get more of an endorphin/serotonin rush when I don’t take them.

And they are very addicting. I started out on vyvanse then told my doc to give me multiple short acting ones a day.

I wouldn’t swallow them whole anymore I’d start eating them like candy. Legit chewing them and having them mostly dissolve in my mouth before swallowing. 4 to 5 a day. Couldn’t even see my eye color anymore it would just be a huge pupil lol.

Anyway be careful with those meds they are a recipe for addiction and depression the longer you take them.
 

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I found out a couple of years ago that I have pretty severe ADHD.

At the time, outside of ASD, I was not very educated on neurodivergence and how it affected people.

But when started adderall, it immediately felt like a lightbulb turned on in my head.

I'm curious how many of you folks are also neurodivergent, and if that plays any role in your AAS usage or management?
You’re not going to get good advice/info about ADHD on a site like this. Case in point, people fortunate enough to not have ADHD telling you the classic “drugs dont help, just focus more gooder” as if you haven’t heard that a million times before. Or people treating adderall in the same way they do steroids. It’s not a great place to be for that kind of discussion.

Adderall is very calming for me. I can be more consistent with everything in life, I can actually focus (and control my focus), and I fidget much less. Been on the same dose for years now, no real changes at all. Not very strong evidence of a long-term tolerance or anything either. If you need it, it’s a life changing drug that allows you to do what other people can normally without issue. If you don’t, then you don’t get as much out if it. To simplify a bit, it regulates dopamine in those of us who can’t “naturally” so if you do have normal dopamine function then it just gives you more instead of fixing a problem. Or to put it in this site’s terms, it’s TRT for someone without balls versus someone on the high-natural range. The dude who already has ~1000ng/dl won’t notice anything but to the guy with none it’s a miracle.
 
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You’re not going to get good advice/info about ADHD on a site like this. Case in point, people fortunate enough to not have ADHD telling you the classic “drugs dont help, just focus more gooder” as if you haven’t heard that a million times before. Or people treating adderall in the same way they do steroids. It’s not a great place to be for that kind of discussion.

Adderall is very calming for me. I can be more consistent with everything in life, I can actually focus (and control my focus), and I fidget much less. Been on the same dose for years now, no real changes at all. Not very strong evidence of a long-term tolerance or anything either. If you need it, it’s a life changing drug that allows you to do what other people can normally without issue. If you don’t, then you don’t get as much out if it. To simplify a bit, it regulates dopamine in those of us who can’t “naturally” so if you do have normal dopamine function then it just gives you more instead of fixing a problem. Or to put it in this site’s terms, it’s TRT for someone without balls versus someone on the high-natural range. The dude who already has ~1000ng/dl won’t notice anything but to the guy with none it’s a miracle.
Nobody is saying an Amphetamine won't do anything for you. Let's not forget that's what you're taking. I'm saying EVERYONE is special these days and has some kind of quirk or tick or fidget that some doctor is waiting to fix. If I had to guess I would guess you're younger than 30? I'm probably wrong but most people my age got lucky somehow. We didn't catch the neurodivergent bug... Our parents were the best medicine.
 

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This is a ridiculous take. First, doctors don't get paid a commission for prescribing medications. Doctors don't get a commission on the medications they prescribe. They get the same money from your office visit if they tell you to pursue diet and exercise or if they write you a dozen scripts. Only if you go doctor shopping will you get a doctor who gives you whatever you're looking for -- they're out there, and they usually run TRT clinics or do Brazilian butt lifts on an assembly line.

The only arrangement that would even make sense would be a pharmaceutical company bribing a doctor for the promise of prescriptions. However, there are severe flaws in that thought process. First, the money in prescriptions predominately goes to pharmacy benefit managers and insurance companies. Not doctors, not pharmacies, and increasingly not even the manufacturers. The people getting rich are the ones who push paper, not pills. Second, while this kind of bribery has happened in the past and I'm sure it's gonna happen in the future, we now have something called Prescription Drug Monitoring Programs, which are national or regional databases that track who prescribes, fills, and consumes controlled substances. Between that governmental oversight and the shifting policies in practice groups, it's much harder to both dispense and receive potentially dangerous medications for conditions where they're not indicated. Third -- and this is massively important -- the ADHD medications that comprise over 95% of the prescriptions for ADHD are in generic. Adderall, Concerta, Focalin, Vyvanse, Ritalin, and so on. There's no "big pharma" entity there to be handing out piles of cash. There's a shortage of ADHD meds because there's not a ton of money in supplying them anymore. That's the exact same reason there's a shortage of insulin and many opiate formulations.

There's not even enough money in fulfilling the demand, much less greasing the palm of one doctor at a time, all 200,000+ primary care/family medicine docs in the country.
This is not true AT ALL. A quick search of something like "doctors getting paid commission to vaccinate kids" will show that doctors get paid for having a certain amount of their patients vaccinated. Doctors are also given incentives to prescribe drugs.

-From article..
"Companies pay doctors millions of dollars to promote not their most innovative or effective drugs, but some of their most unremarkable.
In the last five months of 2013, drug makers spent almost $20 million trying to convince physicians and teaching hospitals to give their freshly-patented drugs to patients, but many of them are near-copies of existing drugs that treat the same conditions."
 

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I found out a couple of years ago that I have pretty severe ADHD.

At the time, outside of ASD, I was not very educated on neurodivergence and how it affected people.

But when started adderall, it immediately felt like a lightbulb turned on in my head.

I'm curious how many of you folks are also neurodivergent, and if that plays any role in your AAS usage or management?
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by neurodivergent. That just kind of sounds like a churched up way of mentally abnormal. I'm 35. diagnosed ADHD at 12. Been on stimulant therapy ever since. Also, due to my time in the military, wrecks, fights, and other factors, I have had several concussions that led me to develop some cognitive deficiencies that made have made life a little harder. This also causes me to go through bouts of depression and anxiety at times, but I manage these problems well with the help of my wife, Brothers, and having a good support system. Where I once had a fairly high IQ (I'm not stating the number) I lost between 5-10 points, which still puts me ahead of most, so I am very grateful for that, It could be much worse. Without the use of psychostimulants, life would be much harder for me, though. I would get angrier and frustrated easier, mainly with myself, and pattern recognition and verbal intelligence would be a bit more difficult. All in all, I'm fine with or without my medicine, but I would much rather have access to it.

I don't believe my ADHD, depression, or anxiety, play much of a role in my AAS usage, though. I don't really feel like the exogenous testosterone or AASs are any sort of magic pill that can be be exchanged for something like therapy and the hard introspective work at looking at the man on the inside of one's self. Some compounds can give a false sense of self importance and can definitely make a man feel more confident, but I never personally had that alleviation of depression or brain fog people talk so much about. I can with 100% certainty say that attempting to stop using exogenous testosterone will fuck me up in the head now though. The depression for me sucks to the point of not being able to get out of bed and the ability to think in a succession of rapidity is nil.

Some compounds like EQ, primo, var, and low dose Deca may make me feel a little better than others in regards to general well-being, but nothing affects my ADHD in a negative or positive manner.
 

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It's nice when someone announces they have a hard time reading before offering their opinion so you know up front that you can discount it.
You’d totally change your tune if you knew anything about how Purdue Pharma made OxyContin so popular and easily accessible. Doctors are definitely making out great on these legal drug deals with the reps that push it on them. It’s incredibly filthy if you saw what really goes down.
 

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I found out a couple of years ago that I have pretty severe ADHD.

At the time, outside of ASD, I was not very educated on neurodivergence and how it affected people.

But when started adderall, it immediately felt like a lightbulb turned on in my head.

I'm curious how many of you folks are also neurodivergent, and if that plays any role in your AAS usage or management?
There is an idiot mod on UGBB named Send0 who is a dyel and takes steroids to weigh less than160 pounds (claims he is 5'8 which probably puts him at 5'6 or 5'7) and he always complains about being injured. I suspect that dipshit started steroids due to his ADD but you can always ask him. He talks about his ADD about as much as his injuries and how much pain he has to endure.
How that guy is a mod is beyond me. He gives advice on all kinds of steroids, says he uses pretty much everything in the book and like I said, weighs less than 160 pounds. I personally wouldn't follow anything he has to say.
 
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