Anyone ever have a domestic package seized by law enforcement?

[T&H]

I am really not sure, the package I was referring to was seized in Hawaii and shipped from Texas. There are other possibilities. You’re not supposed to ship liquids without declaring it and if there are a lot of vials in one package sometimes you can hear the sloshing. It’s possible the package was scrutinized for that reason I guess. Or maybe the box was ripped open and the contents were exposed. I do remember an incident when I was pretty new where I had sent a package to a guy in Ohio and he sent me a picture of the box that was delivered to him, it was a small order with just like 1 vial of test e and a couple packs of anavar. The vial was broken and the anavar was basically hanging out of the torn box but they still delivered it to him. It’s just that domestic seizures are so rare. I estimate I sent out around 10k packages in my 2 years and the only time I ever had any domestic seizures were when I came under investigation.

Appreciate the info. The source would be smart to go dark NOW! Pharmahgh is still closed after his customers claim of an LE visit.

 

[Theotherguy1987]

Appreciate the info. The source would be smart to go dark NOW! Pharmahgh is still closed after his customers claim of an LE visit.

Yeah absolutely. My advice would be to just clean house and shut it down altogether and call it a career. I can’t see for certainty if this will prevent legal trouble because if they’re all ready investigating they probably have enough for an indictment. But if they aren’t investigating yet snd it was some accident like a damaged package it’s possible that they will start investigating and if that’s the case then he could avoid trouble. They had me on camera dropping packages. Even if they hadn’t found anything in my home it wouldn’t have mattered I would still have gone to prison, albeit for probably a lot less time… but this is the game. You can become quite rich being a source, but you can not do it forever. It’s best to end it on your own terms.

 

[JDLift]

@HunterPharm
Not sure if this thread is on your radar atm but it needs to be.

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Well shit, he's probably not gonna even realize what's being discussed here until it could be too late. @CaptainAmerica @EnhancedGrappler If y'all are in contact with em please try to get this info about potentially being under watch/investigation to him.

 

[T&H]

@HunterPharm
Not sure if this thread is on your radar atm but it needs to be.

Last Seen July 20, 2023

Well shit, he's probably not gonna even realize what's being discussed here until it could be too late. @CaptainAmerica @EnhancedGrappler If y'all are in contact with em please try to get this info about potentially being under watch/investigation to him.

OP already let the source know...who offered reshipping to another address for the guy. Must not be concerned.

I think the OP and source need to back away a bit. Probably best to not say anything more on here.

 

[babyt]

maybe they had me flagged! Who really
Knows. How long from
It being seized to them showing up to your place?

This happened on the 11th so it’s been almost a full week

Pharma has had trouble send tracking information as far as i know, he used to but every pack i ordered never got one. i didnt know it was seized until it was too late but they showed up on a friday and i was expecting it that wednesday (optimistically) or thursday.

 

[babyt]

What's interesting is you posted you ordered from CL before their bust. @Lrf53 Ordered from Biogen from past posts, who had packs seized and went dark.

Makes me wonder if LE is watching some of their past customers addresses. I could be way off, but something you two have in common.

in my home town last year someone got busted for selling gear out their house. the article said they made $380,000 dollars in like 2-2.5 years and the feds went through his cashapp, vemno and paypal and were able to identify his top 20 customers. not sure if anything happened to any if the 20 but based on that article your theory has merit imo.

 

[psauce]

Pharma has had trouble send tracking information as far as i know, he used to but every pack i ordered never got one. i didnt know it was seized until it was too late but they showed up on a friday and i was expecting it that wednesday (optimistically) or thursday.

Gotta read his shop. He sends it only if requested.

 

[Sammy J]

Out of curiosity, anyone know where the line is drawn on what is possession for personal use and what is possession with intent to distribute? Is it 3 vials? is it 10? 50?

 

[psauce]

Out of curiosity, anyone know where the line is drawn on what is possession for personal use and what is possession with intent to distribute? Is it 3 vials? is it 10? 50?

It depends which law enforcement agency you're dealing with and the specific compound. In the US, everyone is subject to both state and federal law, and they don't always match.

A common scheme for the various states is to have catch-all laws that apply based on the scheduling of the drug, and then to have specific carve-outs for drugs they want to target in particular. If meth is destroying your community, you can make a meth-specific law. Or, if you realize LSD is sold in microgram quantities while marijuana is sold by the gram or even ounce, you might pass a law that establishes a different weight scheme for LSD than for other compounds in its scheduling category (both federal schedule I). You can see how Texas, Virginia, and California do it... similar, but distinct. There is also a parallel federal law. If you engage in an action that is illegal under both federal and state law, and somehow make it on the radar of two law enforcement agencies (say the DEA and your state police), you can be prosecuted by both sovereigns (the state and federal govts).

Anabolic agents are typically schedule III controlled substances. The mass required to trigger possession with intent to distribute (again) varies by state. Some states actually do care whether you intended to distribute -- in California, you have to have provable intent, but in Texas, intent is inferred from mass. Here's what can be shitty: laws are written a little sloppily, so in some cases, people are prosecuted not based on the amount of actual compound, but the mass of the whole package. What I mean is, if you have a vial to test cyp that is 250 mg/mL, and you have 10 mL, a reasonable person would say that you have 2.5 grams. But some agencies will take the mass of the oil into account. When places were just massacring people based on marijuana possession, they were sometimes weighing the soil that a plant was growing in.

OFC, that's just the US. If you live in Singapore, I think they just cut your dick off and suffocate you with it on the spot. Harsh but fair.

 

[TestDecaMast]

Yeah I mean it made it all the way to my cities usps

I mean you would think it would of been stopped at the shipping post office if it was being watch but I also don’t know.

I have put plenty of orders in, there was two this week place a couple days apart and one made it but the other one didn’t!

Receiving multiple orders in a week just seems like a stupid idea? Maybe they thought you were reshipping or selling. Stay safe

 

[gainzzzzz]

Pharma has had trouble send tracking information as far as i know, he used to but every pack i ordered never got one. i didnt know it was seized until it was too late but they showed up on a friday and i was expecting it that wednesday (optimistically) or thursday.

z so

Receiving multiple orders in a week just seems like a stupid idea? Maybe they thought you were reshipping or selling. Stay safe

well those orders weren’t all to me or to the same address!

 

[iron87]

weird it didn’t get stopped at the first hub…

Hans packages are usually over the top with bubble wrap/ vac sealed/ and padded envelopes can’t see it leaking or being damaged to the point they could see the contents….

Sounds like your address is maybe flagged ? I also know plenty of people who have had packages seized and continue to ship or receive goods… Could just be bad luck? or like others have said he’s being watched and they just grabbed a random package to confirm.

 

[caret912]

weird it didn’t get stopped at the first hub…

Hans packages are usually over the top with bubble wrap/ vac sealed/ and padded envelopes can’t see it leaking or being damaged to the point they could see the contents….

Sounds like your address is maybe flagged ? I also know plenty of people who have had packages seized and continue to ship or receive goods… Could just be bad luck? or like others have said he’s being watched and they just grabbed a random package to confirm.

Packages getting seized by customs is one thing... they send you a letter but you don't get flagged automatically or anything. I really doubt they even communicate with local LE. Domestic packages getting seized is a much bigger cause for concern.

Wasn't sure which you were referring to but I doubt many people can continue to receive shady products after local LE flags their address. At the very least a cautious person would not want to continue to do so.

 

[silentprofessional]

Well this thread is terrifying. Hope everyone involved is as cautious as possible moving forward and wish you the best.

 

[-WG-]

Yeah absolutely. My advice would be to just clean house and shut it down altogether and call it a career. I can’t see for certainty if this will prevent legal trouble because if they’re all ready investigating they probably have enough for an indictment. But if they aren’t investigating yet snd it was some accident like a damaged package it’s possible that they will start investigating and if that’s the case then he could avoid trouble. They had me on camera dropping packages. Even if they hadn’t found anything in my home it wouldn’t have mattered I would still have gone to prison, albeit for probably a lot less time… but this is the game. You can become quite rich being a source, but you can not do it forever. It’s best to end it on your own terms.

I will say, IMO this has nothing to do with the source and they are looking for "something" else.

Google "Pittsburgh drug bust" and read the articles over the last 12+ months.. There is big big issues there.

I have a friend who runs an ebay store, 100% legit, and had 2 packages to 2 different customers in that area get "seized by law enforcement". In his case, the customers just claimed them and got them back.

And that was not the first I have heard of that happening, from other sources.. It is ALWAYS there.. So much so, I won't ship there at all.... Period..

That said, you can definitely get put ON the radar by having this happen.

 

[BJJ_blackbelch]

Can someone educate me about what "your adress getting flagged" actually means?

So are they actually opening every pack that comes to your house? How is that legal? what if someone buys and sells in ebay thats a lot of packs for them to go through. Seems like a total waste of time for them.

 

[babyt]

Can someone educate me about what "your adress getting flagged" actually means?

So are they actually opening every pack that comes to your house? How is that legal? what if someone buys and sells in ebay thats a lot of packs for them to go through. Seems like a total waste of time for them.

my 2 cents is usps can/will randomly xrays packages (google it), bigger cities will have more security imo. regardless once you get on their radar for ordering lots of multiple packages from a source being watched or get a random scan then they'll mark your name and address down. im guessing bc its 2023 they throw it all in a computer and forget about you until you order something else and they scan your information and you pop up as flagged. (i could be wrong about everything i just said)

 

[jmbig]

Any more news on this? I've been following Hans source thread and nobody has talked about it or mentioned anything else getting seized. Wonder if this guy was just already on the radar of his local/state pd.

 

[gainzzzzz]

Any more news on this? I've been following Hans source thread and nobody has talked about it or mentioned anything else getting seized. Wonder if this guy was just already on the radar of his local/state pd.

Nothing happened as yet! Been 2 weeks

 

[jmbig]

Nothing happened as yet! Been 2 weeks

Hopefully it will stay that way for you man. I haven't seen Han address it yet but I'm sure this isn't the first time something like this has happened w/ one of his packs.

Best of luck to you pal.