China again

[moosifer]

Hey bros. There's a possibility that China might ban online sales of raws like T, HGH, and even birth control and estrogen (for our side chicks and tranny bros).

I can't tell if the proposed ban also applies to exports, or just sales inside China, but how big of an impact will this have on worldwide accessibility and supply? In other words: How fucked are we if they ban it? I think it all comes from China, right?

https://gkml.samr.gov.cn/nsjg/fgs/202209/t20220901_349742.html (requires translation)

 

[Gullinbursti]

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Hey bros. There's a possibility that China might ban online sales of raws like T, HGH, and even birth control and estrogen (for our side chicks and tranny bros).

I can't tell if the proposed ban also applies to exports, or just sales inside China, but how big of an impact will this have on worldwide accessibility and supply? In other words: How fucked are we if they ban it? I think it all comes from China, right?

https://gkml.samr.gov.cn/nsjg/fgs/202209/t20220901_349742.html (requires translation)

We would be extremely fucked. But it's so lucrative that I doubt they'd actually follow through on it. Maybe production would shift elsewhere but that process won't be pretty and nowhere near as efficient

 

[moosifer]

That is scary AF bro! Someone told me that if China bans exports too, then the only way to get estradiol will be from pregnant horse piss. Is there anyone who knows how to do that?

 

[moosifer]

And they said something similar about testosterone too!

 

[JDLift]

Certainly concerning but so is every other piece of proposed legislation against the sale and manufacturing of drugs and other hot items. Online drug markets have been under fire since shortly after they began popping up on the internet and they've stood the test of time; Every operation by LEO and various agencies has failed to stop the sale or production of anything that there is a demand for, and I have no doubts this will fail as well. While we may see a slight hiccup as those involved race to figure out new measures, overall things will be fine. If laws prevented drug dealers from acquiring and dealing drugs, we wouldn't even have this forum. Gotta remember at the core what we do is 'illegal' and I don't think people engaged in illegal activities really give a shit about the laws.

 

[moosifer]

That's an excellent point, but this would actually punish the sellers in China, too! Don't you think that would deter most of them? I mean Xi and his crew don't mess around when it comes to human rights!

 

[Thrasymachus]

I've seen much worse from China in the past.

This is a basically a way of making it look like China is doing something, when in fact it will do nothing and business will continue as usual.

As far as I know anabolics in china are still legal.

The only problem is when Chinese foreign nationals that distribute anabolics set foot in the US, that's when the shtf for that particular dude, only because the US is after the $$$$$$$$$$$$,......the pirates always want their loot.

If China ever did become illegal to sell and manufacture anabolics, the world is a big place, the market is still there. Asia is the last free place on this earth, the western world has turned into a police state, we were the bastion of liberal values, free markets, free choice, free thought.......we are none of these things now, we are puritanical low IQ dumbass statists, that is until the crusty old people stuck in their narrow ways of thinking finally die off, then we might have a chance at a little freedom.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I will say this, if anabolics do get shut down this is why you always keep plenty of raws and store them in vacuum sealed bags placed in canisters(new lined pint paint cans) at a low temp free from moisture. Enough to last at least 10 years, this is prepping to ease your mind. Should be standard practice for anyone into this lifestyle.

 

[Liska]

Hey mad hatters and nonstop nutters, this news is regarding illegal sales of AAS, aka the export ban on finished vials/tablets that's already in place and old news. Export of AAS raws is and will remain legal for the foreseeable future as long as sources have the proper licenses, which all of the well known/regarded sources do.

 

[Buck Anabolics]

first, I am Chinese, so I can understand what the document says.

second, I read it twice, it doesn't metion steroids, or export or anything relate this industry, you can translate the whole page and command/control+F, imput these key words, you couldn't find anything.

third, it is just a document to let online seller be more strict with what they are selling, seller should know where the medecine is produced, and check whether you have the license to sell this kind of medecine, and you should know who you are selling, etc.

fourth, I think the key will shut down the production of steroid is environment pollution, now environment protection is very important in China now, but the characteristic of Chinese government is they will give you a long time to prepare, just like this legislation is out on August, and will be put into effect in Decemember. Currently I didn't hear any news that Chinese government will ban the production or exportation, steroids is a very tinny industry in the whole Chinese Chemical industry. But everyone of us should be ready that day come.

 

[Thrasymachus]

fourth, I think the key will shut down the production of steroid is environment pollution, now environment protection is very important in China now, but the characteristic of Chinese government is they will give you a long time to prepare, just like this legislation is out on August, and will be put into effect in Decemember. Currently I didn't hear any news that Chinese government will ban the production or exportation, steroids is a very tinny industry in the whole Chinese Chemical industry. But everyone of us should be ready that day come.

So basically should China decide to prioritize water quality over GDP growth then anabolic production would need to stop.

I wonder if production where to be done on the east coast of China if they wouldn't just dump it in the ocean to keep from contaminating surface and ground sources of drinking water?

 

[Buck Anabolics]

So basically should China decide to prioritize water quality over GDP growth then anabolic production would need to stop.

I wonder if production where to be done on the east coast of China if they wouldn't just dump it in the ocean to keep from contaminating surface and ground sources of drinking water?

if your thoughts is correct, the majority of chemical factories should located in the costal city. but looks like the situation is not correct. and many industries' polution is higher than chemicals.

as for the ambition of Chinese to do the environment protection, you can see this from many official documents, and the changes of planted area, air equality, etc.

I prefer that costal city developed earlier than western area, and the steroid factories were just established in a more developed area. and transpotion, market distance, labor quality make the steroid factories stay in costal city. actually they are not a costal city, just next to costal city.

 

[MyOldCrypto]

If there was a ban and it was truly enforced. The chinese would just offload production to some third world shithole like they did with K2 spice when they banned that. They gave the whole game to African countries. For a perpetuity fee of course.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

These libs are just coming for everything

 

[Thrasymachus]

I would suspect basic anabolics would be produced in India legally.

I think the selection of steroids would probably decrease and only a few esters would be available.

The problem with India is that it has close ties with the west and would eventually agree to crack down and stop production.

The one problem I have and I suppose this is to keep control of trade secrets, is the fact that there is no step by step procedure for producing anabolics available to the public. There is apparently information that can be accessed if you're licensed to produce these compounds, but I've never been able to get into these references and technical manuals.

I would love to see a textbook published on how to manufacture every single known steroid, a trade manual. Even if most people obviously couldn't do anything with it, it would provide an open source means so the future of steroid production is always possible as long as you have knowledgeable chemists and engineers that can secure raw ingredients and reagents.

 

[Gullinbursti]

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Certainly concerning but so is every other piece of proposed legislation against the sale and manufacturing of drugs and other hot items. Online drug markets have been under fire since shortly after they began popping up on the internet and they've stood the test of time; Every operation by LEO and various agencies has failed to stop the sale or production of anything that there is a demand for, and I have no doubts this will fail as well. While we may see a slight hiccup as those involved race to figure out new measures, overall things will be fine. If laws prevented drug dealers from acquiring and dealing drugs, we wouldn't even have this forum. Gotta remember at the core what we do is 'illegal' and I don't think people engaged in illegal activities really give a shit about the laws.

Yes and no. China is a different animal and when they crack down, they crack down for real. These labs are able to operate as efficiently and "safely" as they do because their govt allows it. In China your ass is going to do what they tell you for the most part. Now would they be able to work around? Probably. Look at fentanyl. China allowed it's manufacturing and export. Until they didn't and now almost none of it comes from China. But they are still shipping precursors to Mexico and synthesizing there. We don't want our gear coming from Mexico though I assure you, not in that way at least. Hormones aren't nearly as dangerous as fent. So it's likely this won't get much traction or support. I hope

 

[Thrasymachus]

There would have to be something to motivate China to clamp down on anabolic production. At some point world politics, economic ties may force China to shut it down and this is why I've never thought it a good idea to have this business 99% in the hands of one country.

Money ultimately decides everything about the drug war, it is entirely based on economics. If it wasn't profitable to restrict access and criminalize anabolics then the west wouldn't care at all. Ultimate this country we live in called the United States is completely run and operated by lawyers or otherwise known as educated priests that use scriptures handed down by prophets(legislators) that know best for all of us.

The argument that the government is protecting children from saucin and going on a rampage tearing up their bedroom as they have a fight with their mommy, just isn't a legitimate reason to outlaw anabolics anymore.

I can understand that no one wants kids to use anabolics, but kids can and do get their hands on this stuff just like anyone else that has access to a decent athletic program or hangs out in a gym long enough to connect to the right people.

 

[Liska]

@Thrasymachus Whatever is causing you to go off on these tangents, consider reducing the dose or making a blog for your ramblings.

 

[FrancoC]

@Thrasymachus Whatever is causing you to go off on these tangents, consider reducing the dose or making a blog for your ramblings.

Aluminum foil is a staple in that household

 

[Azrael]

Shit, looks like it would be wise to stock up just in case.