Cruise length

[PissedPajamas]

How long do you personally take between blasts?

I don’t believe in the “time on/time off” meme cause some guys here blast for months, cruise for a month and go right back at it and have great gains.

After a 4 month blast Im looking at 3 months of chilling on 160mg cyp and blasting around Feb of next year. I have nothing to base this on besides what feels right so this thread rightfully belongs in the dumb questions section.

If there’s some kind of evidence for better gains after a long cruise then post your experiences so I can learn me a thing or two

 

[boom123]

PissedPajamas" pid='28111' dateline='1539742091:

How long do you personally take between blasts?

I don’t believe in the “time on/time off” meme cause some guys here blast for months, cruise for a month and go right back at it and have great gains.

After a 4 month blast Im looking at 3 months of chilling on 160mg cyp and blasting around Feb of next year. I have nothing to base this on besides what feels right so this thread rightfully belongs in the dumb questions section.

If there’s some kind of evidence for better gains after a long cruise then post your experiences so I can learn me a thing or two

Good amount of time for a cruise imo. Your test levels would be in trt levels for a while. I would even lower the dose to 125mg-150mg

 

[PissedPajamas]

boom123" pid='28113' dateline='1539742801:

PissedPajamas" pid='28111' dateline='1539742091:

How long do you personally take between blasts?

I don’t believe in the “time on/time off” meme cause some guys here blast for months, cruise for a month and go right back at it and have great gains.

After a 4 month blast Im looking at 3 months of chilling on 160mg cyp and blasting around Feb of next year. I have nothing to base this on besides what feels right so this thread rightfully belongs in the dumb questions section.

If there’s some kind of evidence for better gains after a long cruise then post your experiences so I can learn me a thing or two

Good amount of time for a cruise imo. Your test levels would be in trt levels for a while. I would even lower the dose to 125mg-150mg

I’ve got people telling me to take this sensible approach, but their cycling contradicts their advice. Most guys I’ve asked say “yeah cruise for a bit ya know it’s good for the bloods yadayada” while they blast for 3 years straight switching compounds in and out and look like brick tanks

My goal is to get huge. I’m not talking Olympia stage big, but a respectable 230lbs 10-12% bodyfat @ 5’9” would make me happy.

 

[Masterofron]

The logical and safe approach- until blood work says you are ok to blast again. The common approach- 4-8 weeks of cruising before another blast. I’m guilty of the second scenario, on the lower half of that timeframe lol.

 

[PissedPajamas]

Masterofron" pid='28124' dateline='1539755119:

The logical and safe approach- until blood work says you are ok to blast again. The common approach- 4-8 weeks of cruising before another blast. I’m guilty of the second scenario, on the lower half of that timeframe lol.

I have your planned cycle saved, the one you ran by Capt on the disc. Looks like a grocery list, love it. You already know I wanna get jacked AF so my avi game is on point

 

[dianabolman]

PissedPajamas" pid='28114' dateline='1539744160:

boom123" pid='28113' dateline='1539742801:

PissedPajamas" pid='28111' dateline='1539742091:

How long do you personally take between blasts?

I don’t believe in the “time on/time off” meme cause some guys here blast for months, cruise for a month and go right back at it and have great gains.

After a 4 month blast Im looking at 3 months of chilling on 160mg cyp and blasting around Feb of next year. I have nothing to base this on besides what feels right so this thread rightfully belongs in the dumb questions section.

If there’s some kind of evidence for better gains after a long cruise then post your experiences so I can learn me a thing or two

Good amount of time for a cruise imo. Your test levels would be in trt levels for a while. I would even lower the dose to 125mg-150mg

I’ve got people telling me to take this sensible approach, but their cycling contradicts their advice. Most guys I’ve asked say “yeah cruise for a bit ya know it’s good for the bloods yadayada” while they blast for 3 years straight switching compounds in and out and look like brick tanks

My goal is to get huge. I’m not talking Olympia stage big, but a respectable 230lbs 10-12% bodyfat @ 5’9” would make me happy.

I feel attacked

 

[-WG-]

The mindset of “until blood work says you are ok to blast again” doesn’t make sense to me… Think about that. So if you blast for 6 months, and your blood work(lipids, renal function, HCT, etc) return to acceptable levels in 4 weeks then it makes sense to go back on? Because honestly, a lot of these markers rebound fairly quickly. But remember, bloodwork is generally speaking only a “snapshot” of what is going on RIGHT NOW. So something like your lipids may have improved in the “now” but it doesn’t account for the damage done, in the previous weeks.

Let me offer a different perspective.

Do blood work while in the middle of your blast. You see those numbers? How long do you want to be walking around with those numbers? How much damage are you incurring with those numbers over time?

IMO you should be thinking in terms of ratio of time with fucked:unfucked blood work. If your bloodwork is fucked more than it isn’t, the odds are you are doing damage you will pay for in the long term. It is those times where your lipids are trash(low HDL, increased LDL-C/LDL-P, decreased LDL particle size, etc) where you are potentially accumulating damage that will rear its head later in life(think late 40s-50s).

Your goal should be to spend FAR more time with optimal blood work, than shit blood work. Not wait for the second it normalizes, to turn around and turn it to shit again…lol

I have a friend who has been on a fairly heavy b/c for 5-6 years. His cruising dose is maybe 500t, and that is for maybe 2 months, twice a year, on a good year. The rest is blasting 1g test, maybe some npp, or tren depending on the time of year or if he is getting ready for something. Sprinkle in some orals on each run… He finally came down to 150mg/week test. After 2 months, bloodwork is actually quite good… But what about the 5-6 years he spent with horrific bloodwork? The time in those 5-6 years spent with mild-moderate hypertension? You don’t see that.

WG-

 

[bigmamba]

-WG-" pid='28142' dateline='1539793332:

The mindset of “until blood work says you are ok to blast again” doesn’t make sense to me… Think about that. So if you blast for 6 months, and your blood work(lipids, renal function, HCT, etc) return to acceptable levels in 4 weeks then it makes sense to go back on? Because honestly, a lot of these markers rebound fairly quickly. But remember, bloodwork is generally speaking only a “snapshot” of what is going on RIGHT NOW. So something like your lipids may have improved in the “now” but it doesn’t account for the damage done, in the previous weeks.

Let me offer a different perspective.

Do blood work while in the middle of your blast. You see those numbers? How long do you want to be walking around with those numbers? How much damage are you incurring with those numbers over time?

IMO you should be thinking in terms of ratio of time with fucked:unfucked blood work. If your bloodwork is fucked more than it isn’t, the odds are you are doing damage you will pay for in the long term. It is those times where your lipids are trash(low HDL, increased LDL-C/LDL-P, decreased LDL particle size, etc) where you are potentially accumulating damage that will rear its head later in life(think late 40s-50s).

Your goal should be to spend FAR more time with optimal blood work, than shit blood work. Not wait for the second it normalizes, to turn around and turn it to shit again…lol

I have a friend who has been on a fairly heavy b/c for 5-6 years. His cruising dose is maybe 500t, and that is for maybe 2 months, twice a year, on a good year. The rest is blasting 1g test, maybe some npp, or tren depending on the time of year or if he is getting ready for something. Sprinkle in some orals on each run… He finally came down to 150mg/week test. After 2 months, bloodwork is actually quite good… But what about the 5-6 years he spent with horrific bloodwork? The time in those 5-6 years spent with mild-moderate hypertension? You don’t see that.

WG-

great post

 

[Masterofron]

-WG-" pid='28142' dateline='1539793332:

The mindset of “until blood work says you are ok to blast again” doesn’t make sense to me… Think about that. So if you blast for 6 months, and your blood work(lipids, renal function, HCT, etc) return to acceptable levels in 4 weeks then it makes sense to go back on? Because honestly, a lot of these markers rebound fairly quickly. But remember, bloodwork is generally speaking only a “snapshot” of what is going on RIGHT NOW. So something like your lipids may have improved in the “now” but it doesn’t account for the damage done, in the previous weeks.

Let me offer a different perspective.

Do blood work while in the middle of your blast. You see those numbers? How long do you want to be walking around with those numbers? How much damage are you incurring with those numbers over time?

IMO you should be thinking in terms of ratio of time with fucked:unfucked blood work. If your bloodwork is fucked more than it isn’t, the odds are you are doing damage you will pay for in the long term. It is those times where your lipids are trash(low HDL, increased LDL-C/LDL-P, decreased LDL particle size, etc) where you are potentially accumulating damage that will rear its head later in life(think late 40s-50s).

Your goal should be to spend FAR more time with optimal blood work, than shit blood work. Not wait for the second it normalizes, to turn around and turn it to shit again…lol

I have a friend who has been on a fairly heavy b/c for 5-6 years. His cruising dose is maybe 500t, and that is for maybe 2 months, twice a year, on a good year. The rest is blasting 1g test, maybe some npp, or tren depending on the time of year or if he is getting ready for something. Sprinkle in some orals on each run… He finally came down to 150mg/week test. After 2 months, bloodwork is actually quite good… But what about the 5-6 years he spent with horrific bloodwork? The time in those 5-6 years spent with mild-moderate hypertension? You don’t see that.

WG-

To be fair, I gave a simple approach to the situation, because most are impulsive and gonna just blast for as long as they can anyways. I do agree with what you have said, and your perspective.

 

[-WG-]

Masterofron" pid='28145' dateline='1539797347:

To be fair, I gave a simple approach to the situation, because most are impulsive and gonna just blast for as long as they can anyways. I do agree with what you have said, and your perspective.

For sure. I didn’t mean to single you out or imply it was your opinion, by quoting you, it is just that, that line is “conventional” wisdom, and you do hear it a lot on forums.

Like you said though, there is an impulsive and downright addictive nature to AAS. People convince themselves of a lot of wacky shit, to justify its use/abuse… “well blood work is normal…Time to jump back on”

 

[orical]

-WG-" pid='28142' dateline='1539793332:

The mindset of “until blood work says you are ok to blast again” doesn’t make sense to me… Think about that. So if you blast for 6 months, and your blood work(lipids, renal function, HCT, etc) return to acceptable levels in 4 weeks then it makes sense to go back on? Because honestly, a lot of these markers rebound fairly quickly. But remember, bloodwork is generally speaking only a “snapshot” of what is going on RIGHT NOW. So something like your lipids may have improved in the “now” but it doesn’t account for the damage done, in the previous weeks.

Let me offer a different perspective.

Do blood work while in the middle of your blast. You see those numbers? How long do you want to be walking around with those numbers? How much damage are you incurring with those numbers over time?

IMO you should be thinking in terms of ratio of time with fucked:unfucked blood work. If your bloodwork is fucked more than it isn’t, the odds are you are doing damage you will pay for in the long term. It is those times where your lipids are trash(low HDL, increased LDL-C/LDL-P, decreased LDL particle size, etc) where you are potentially accumulating damage that will rear its head later in life(think late 40s-50s).

Your goal should be to spend FAR more time with optimal blood work, than shit blood work. Not wait for the second it normalizes, to turn around and turn it to shit again…lol

I have a friend who has been on a fairly heavy b/c for 5-6 years. His cruising dose is maybe 500t, and that is for maybe 2 months, twice a year, on a good year. The rest is blasting 1g test, maybe some npp, or tren depending on the time of year or if he is getting ready for something. Sprinkle in some orals on each run… He finally came down to 150mg/week test. After 2 months, bloodwork is actually quite good… But what about the 5-6 years he spent with horrific bloodwork? The time in those 5-6 years spent with mild-moderate hypertension? You don’t see that.

WG-

Perfect post WG.

 

[PissedPajamas]

-WG-" pid='28142' dateline='1539793332:

The mindset of “until blood work says you are ok to blast again” doesn’t make sense to me… Think about that. So if you blast for 6 months, and your blood work(lipids, renal function, HCT, etc) return to acceptable levels in 4 weeks then it makes sense to go back on? Because honestly, a lot of these markers rebound fairly quickly. But remember, bloodwork is generally speaking only a “snapshot” of what is going on RIGHT NOW. So something like your lipids may have improved in the “now” but it doesn’t account for the damage done, in the previous weeks.

Let me offer a different perspective.

Do blood work while in the middle of your blast. You see those numbers? How long do you want to be walking around with those numbers? How much damage are you incurring with those numbers over time?

IMO you should be thinking in terms of ratio of time with fucked:unfucked blood work. If your bloodwork is fucked more than it isn’t, the odds are you are doing damage you will pay for in the long term. It is those times where your lipids are trash(low HDL, increased LDL-C/LDL-P, decreased LDL particle size, etc) where you are potentially accumulating damage that will rear its head later in life(think late 40s-50s).

Your goal should be to spend FAR more time with optimal blood work, than shit blood work. Not wait for the second it normalizes, to turn around and turn it to shit again…lol

I have a friend who has been on a fairly heavy b/c for 5-6 years. His cruising dose is maybe 500t, and that is for maybe 2 months, twice a year, on a good year. The rest is blasting 1g test, maybe some npp, or tren depending on the time of year or if he is getting ready for something. Sprinkle in some orals on each run… He finally came down to 150mg/week test. After 2 months, bloodwork is actually quite good… But what about the 5-6 years he spent with horrific bloodwork? The time in those 5-6 years spent with mild-moderate hypertension? You don’t see that.

WG-

I agree with everything you posted, bloods are just a superficial glance at your body. Everything might be within parameters but it won’t tell you about the arteriosclerosis in your arteries or the fatty liver you’re developing lol.

I believe high dose test is the least dangerous approach to blasting year round. People are gonna do it anyways so might as well advise on harm reduction especially on a board dedicated to AAS use. The one compound that’s truly neurotoxic and poisonous to your body is Deca. It’s effects on serotonin and dopamine receptor transcription are permanent. Definitely not something I wanna mess with, there’s better compounds out there with milder side effects.

 

[krydakai]

PissedPajamas" pid='28154' dateline='1539802916:

The one compound that’s truly neurotoxic and poisonous to your body is Deca. It’s effects on serotonin and dopamine receptor transcription are permanent. Definitely not something I wanna mess with, there’s better compounds out there with milder side effects.

What do you run besides test, then?

Obviously not tren, so EQ/primo/mast???

 

[PissedPajamas]

krydakai" pid='28209' dateline='1539843079:

PissedPajamas" pid='28154' dateline='1539802916:

The one compound that’s truly neurotoxic and poisonous to your body is Deca. It’s effects on serotonin and dopamine receptor transcription are permanent. Definitely not something I wanna mess with, there’s better compounds out there with milder side effects.

What do you run besides test, then?

Obviously not tren, so EQ/primo/mast???

I love Tren. Never experienced “trensomnia” or any negative sides from short stints with it. My biggest concern it’s affinity to glucocorticoid receptors lowering cortisol levels for too long. That’s the kind of stuff that causes systemic inflammation, so it’s best to cycle it in and out.

I’m yet to try EQ, primo, mast and drol. I get along with Dbol, var, winny and proviron as well. But test will always be best

 

[Jds0062]

Just to add to everything, why “cruise” at 125-200mg of test per week? That’s just enough to shut down your own endogenous production, and waste gear, when you could justgive your body time to recover with PCT and likely have comparable blood levels. In my opinion, a cruise is just a stent between big cycles where you use test to maintain size etc when not using other drugs. Every time your balls shrink, they scar. This is why some of you guys may have trouble having children one day, or have to rely on TRT the rest of your life. Not counting the detrimental effects that high levels of test have on your cardiovascular system. To each their own…

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

Jds0062" pid='28861' dateline='1540574238:

Just to add to everything, why “cruise” at 125-200mg of test per week? That’s just enough to shut down your own endogenous production, and waste gear, when you could justgive your body time to recover with PCT and likely have comparable blood levels. In my opinion, a cruise is just a stent between big cycles where you use test to maintain size etc when not using other drugs. Every time your balls shrink, they scar. This is why some of you guys may have trouble having children one day, or have to rely on TRT the rest of your life. Not counting the detrimental effects that high levels of test have on your cardiovascular system. To each their own…

TBH it sounds like you don’t understand cruising at some basic level. The point is you’re already shut down and your balls are already “small”, so instead of restarting everything with PCT only to shut it down again in a few months, you give yourself TRT so your T levels are within “normal human” range which allows your lipids and shit to recover, then you blast off again after X time has past, but since you’re still shut down, you don’t traumatize your reproductive axis again.

As far as kids and other future issues, you’re rolling the dice anytime you cycle, PCT or not, and from a medical theory standpoint, BnC (with actual RESPONSABLE cruise length like WG said) would be better long term for your HPTA axis.

Hope that helps, cheers.

 

[Jds0062]

So, you truly believe 125mg/week is going to help you keep any gains you’ve made for several months while you “cruise”?!

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

Jds0062" pid='28910' dateline='1540650192:

So, you truly believe 125mg/week is going to help you keep any gains you’ve made for several months while you “cruise”?!

I know it for a fact. I used to always PCT when I started more than a decade ago, and now with BnC, the only size I really lose is the increased glycogen. I also get blood work done every 3 months regardless of if I’m “on” or not, and cardiograms every 6. So I think from an evidenced based standpoint, I can factually say I am entirely healthy utilizing BnC.

How many times have you cycled and PCT’d in your life, you honestly sound like the young bucks on r/sterons that either haven’t cycled or cycled once and think they know best, no offense.

 

[Jds0062]

Brochacho_Prime" pid='28911' dateline='1540651629:

Jds0062" pid='28910' dateline='1540650192:

So, you truly believe 125mg/week is going to help you keep any gains you’ve made for several months while you “cruise”?!

I know it for a fact. I used to always PCT when I started more than a decade ago, and now with BnC, the only size I really lose is the increased glycogen. I also get blood work done every 3 months regardless of if I’m “on” or not, and cardiograms every 6. So I think from an evidenced based standpoint, I can factually say I am entirely healthy utilizing BnC.

How many times have you cycled and PCT’d in your life, you honestly sound like the young bucks on r/sterons that either haven’t cycled or cycled once and think they know best, no offense.

This is 11 years for me. Cycles and TRT. Curious how you quantify the amount of glycogen in your liver/muscles?

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

Jds0062" pid='28912' dateline='1540653211:

Brochacho_Prime" pid='28911' dateline='1540651629:

Jds0062" pid='28910' dateline='1540650192:

So, you truly believe 125mg/week is going to help you keep any gains you’ve made for several months while you “cruise”?!

I know it for a fact. I used to always PCT when I started more than a decade ago, and now with BnC, the only size I really lose is the increased glycogen. I also get blood work done every 3 months regardless of if I’m “on” or not, and cardiograms every 6. So I think from an evidenced based standpoint, I can factually say I am entirely healthy utilizing BnC.

How many times have you cycled and PCT’d in your life, you honestly sound like the young bucks on r/sterons that either haven’t cycled or cycled once and think they know best, no offense.

This is 11 years for me. Cycles and TRT. Curious how you quantify the amount of glycogen in your liver/muscles?

I thought you didn’t Cruise? TRT is cruising, if you actually cruise like you’re supposed to with sub 1K test.