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The mindset of “until blood work says you are ok to blast again” doesn’t make sense to me… Think about that. So if you blast for 6 months, and your blood work(lipids, renal function, HCT, etc) return to acceptable levels in 4 weeks then it makes sense to go back on? Because honestly, a lot of these markers rebound fairly quickly. But remember, bloodwork is generally speaking only a “snapshot” of what is going on RIGHT NOW. So something like your lipids may have improved in the “now” but it doesn’t account for the damage done, in the previous weeks.
Let me offer a different perspective.
Do blood work while in the middle of your blast. You see those numbers? How long do you want to be walking around with those numbers? How much damage are you incurring with those numbers over time?
IMO you should be thinking in terms of ratio of time with fucked:unfucked blood work. If your bloodwork is fucked more than it isn’t, the odds are you are doing damage you will pay for in the long term. It is those times where your lipids are trash(low HDL, increased LDL-C/LDL-P, decreased LDL particle size, etc) where you are potentially accumulating damage that will rear its head later in life(think late 40s-50s).
Your goal should be to spend FAR more time with optimal blood work, than shit blood work. Not wait for the second it normalizes, to turn around and turn it to shit again…lol
I have a friend who has been on a fairly heavy b/c for 5-6 years. His cruising dose is maybe 500t, and that is for maybe 2 months, twice a year, on a good year. The rest is blasting 1g test, maybe some npp, or tren depending on the time of year or if he is getting ready for something. Sprinkle in some orals on each run… He finally came down to 150mg/week test. After 2 months, bloodwork is actually quite good… But what about the 5-6 years he spent with horrific bloodwork? The time in those 5-6 years spent with mild-moderate hypertension? You don’t see that.
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I agree with everything you posted, bloods are just a superficial glance at your body. Everything might be within parameters but it won’t tell you about the arteriosclerosis in your arteries or the fatty liver you’re developing lol.
I believe high dose test is the least dangerous approach to blasting year round. People are gonna do it anyways so might as well advise on harm reduction especially on a board dedicated to AAS use. The one compound that’s truly neurotoxic and poisonous to your body is Deca. It’s effects on serotonin and dopamine receptor transcription are permanent. Definitely not something I wanna mess with, there’s better compounds out there with milder side effects.
Right off the bat, I would put large amounts of money that Trenbolone is far more “neurotoxic” then Nandrolone.
You simply cannot make that statement that Nandrolone is the only neurotoxic and “poisonous” compound. This is not attack you or attempting to insult you but its important to point out that Deca was medically used and extremely popular. So we do have lots more studies on it then many other compounds.
You want to know what is far more likely to be more neurotoxic? Trenbolone. Hell, its also a 19-Nor. Its used on animals, so neurotoxicity isn’t a big concern. Especially considering what is going to happen to those animals. Honestly, the massive amount of Tren usage has me pretty concerned. The times that I have ran it, it very much caused some pretty noticeable impact on mood. I have no idea how people run it for months at a time.
Also, “high dose test” isn’t really a cruise. I do get your point. I personally do not think people are “cruising” when they are doing anything more then 250 mgs of Test. That really should be the most for anybody posting on this board. If you are making your money off of bodybuilding/fitness/modeling then it might be a different story, same goes for high level powerlifters. But at that point, you should have paid professionals helping you.
To close, I am not defending Nandrolone or any other compound. Its just important to point out that we know a lot about Deca because its studied so much. There are lots of studies on Testosterone of course, but I’d think Deca is the second most studied AAS. Tbol had some studies done, especially in Germany. Dbol did as well. So did Anadrol (due to its use for anemia) etc etc. That being said, many of those studies conducted were not done with “bodybuilders” in mind.
Once again, this isn’t an attack on you personally. You make plenty of good points and I agree with most of what you say. I just wanted to address the definitive statement that you made due to harm reduction reasons. Its great that you are posting with Harm Reduction in mind, that should be the goal around here. Trenbolone is simply not treated with the caution it should be treated with.