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I’m also curious about what the MESO drama with the returned package is about and him ignoring it rubs me the wrong way.
I don’t know how active you were in the subreddit, but it was brought up a while ago in there. Some people didn’t believe it because of Jano’s rep imat SST, but after seeing his display here I no longer think the guy has any credibility imom
 
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I’m on the fence here.

I’ve had multiple smooth tests through EC and I always send unlabeled. There’s been timeliness hiccups, but the responses are always quick at least. I’ve never received raws so I can’t comment on that, but I’ve sent stuff Jano has tested and EC produced very similar results. I’ve also used Jano personally and been happy.

Either way, I think EC and Jano both need to clarify some things. If there’s any legitimacy to what EC is saying about certain things Jano has bashed him for innacurately, that paired with the ragey vibe and him asking people in SST to brigade EC with one question defintiely comes across kinda unprofessional. I’m also curious about what the MESO drama with the returned package is about and him ignoring it rubs me the wrong way. But I also think EC needs to clarify more on data.

This has been a really fun morning, or at least interesting.
Like I said, I’ll be happy to talk about issues related to me in my own thread - if they are repeatedly posting about it here, they are deliberately trying to switch the topic onto me and clutter the thread in order to make their attempt at fraud less visible to newcomers.

I am quite mad indeed, because they have been lying to me and insulting me (and lying to all of you) for quite some time now.

Also, please, do you not believe these data are straight up faked :
This is the raw data they gave one of their customers: (don’t worry EC, if you delete it, I have it backed up)

This is the explanation for their ‘raw data’ that they provided:
Now check the pictures in this study: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article...ne.0056168

Have you read @“Arms_Length” post?

Thank you.
 
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Where? That thread is like a week old lol and says exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming. They said they are giving you another chance, not that they were wrong.
In PMs. Feel free to ask Millard if he was wrong about me using private information in order to intimidate a member.

Also, if you feel like talking about this, you are free to start your own thread. Or are you helping these frauds to clutter up the thread on purpose?
Oh, in PMs? Screenshot it then.

And I’m free to start my own thread? LoL Dude you’re in their thread, you serious? And like I said, I think you’re a weasel.
 
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I’m on the fence here.

I’ve had multiple smooth tests through EC and I always send unlabeled. There’s been timeliness hiccups, but the responses are always quick at least. I’ve never received raws so I can’t comment on that, but I’ve sent stuff Jano has tested and EC produced very similar results. I’ve also used Jano personally and been happy.

Either way, I think EC and Jano both need to clarify some things. If there’s any legitimacy to what EC is saying about certain things Jano has bashed him for innacurately, that paired with the ragey vibe and him asking people in SST to brigade EC with one question defintiely comes across kinda unprofessional. I’m also curious about what the MESO drama with the returned package is about and him ignoring it rubs me the wrong way. But I also think EC needs to clarify more on data.

This has been a really fun morning, or at least interesting.
Like I said, I’ll be happy to talk about issues related to me in my own thread - if they are repeatedly posting about it here, they are deliberately trying to switch the topic onto me and clutter the thread in order to make their attempt at fraud less visible to newcomers.

I am quite mad indeed, because they have been lying to me and insulting me (and lying to all of you) for quite some time now.

Also, please, do you not believe these data are straight up faked :
This is the raw data they gave one of their customers: (don’t worry EC, if you delete it, I have it backed up)

This is the explanation for their ‘raw data’ that they provided:
Now check the pictures in this study: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article...ne.0056168

Have you read @“Arms_Length” post?

Thank you.
I defintiely saw all that and that’s why I’m on the fence, because like I said I’ve defnitely gotten multiple reliable results from them in the past and their explanation doesn’t seem too sketchy in reality. It does make me feel worse about them overall though for sure, but if it’s a one off instance I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.

But also you having not addressed anything and the angry vibe feel off as well, but I’ve also never had problems with you so it’s a weird place to be. I defintiely feel like competition on both ends will always make you guys scrupulous of each other at least which could be good for the community depending how this ends. I was really hoping we’d end up a bunch of good analytical options to help SST flourish. :confused:
 
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Where? That thread is like a week old lol and says exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming. They said they are giving you another chance, not that they were wrong.
In PMs. Feel free to ask Millard if he was wrong about me using private information in order to intimidate a member.

Also, if you feel like talking about this, you are free to start your own thread. Or are you helping these frauds to clutter up the thread on purpose?
Oh, in PMs? Screenshot it then.

And I’m free to start my own thread? LoL Dude you’re in their thread, you serious? And like I said, I think you’re a weasel.
Jano is in their thread talking about issue relating directly to them…

Now, you are in energy control thread talking about jano.

i think that jano is right and you are deliberately trying to switch attention to jano and clutter the thread

i checked the thread on jano and its 2 years old. if that is the single issue with jano in the past 2 years i don’t even care.

and even through i went through all the pages i cant find the report he supposedly faked. can you post that ? maybe it could change my mind

@EnergyControl did you or did you not send fake raw data to Jano and your customer @Arms_Length ? Can you give one clear one word answer?
 
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Where? That thread is like a week old lol and says exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming. They said they are giving you another chance, not that they were wrong.
In PMs. Feel free to ask Millard if he was wrong about me using private information in order to intimidate a member.

Also, if you feel like talking about this, you are free to start your own thread. Or are you helping these frauds to clutter up the thread on purpose?
Oh, in PMs? Screenshot it then.

And I’m free to start my own thread? LoL Dude you’re in their thread, you serious? And like I said, I think you’re a weasel.
Jano is in their thread talking about issue relating directly to them…

Now, you are in energy control thread talking about jano.

i think that jano is right and you are deliberately trying to switch attention to jano and clutter the thread

i checked the thread on jano and its 2 years old. if that is the single issue with jano in the past 2 years i don’t even care.

and even through i went through all the pages i cant find the report he supposedly faked. can you post that ? maybe it could change my mind
So if Jano completely faked a test 2 years ago it doesn’t matter, but if EC gave fake raw data it does? I don’t follow your logic.

https://thinksteroids.com/community...n-and-liar-thread-you-be-the-judge.134381544/

And I’m pointing these things out to show that Jano isn’t the most credible person, thus this should be taken into account when considering his allegations. And of course being a direct competitor his motives should obviously be questioned.
 
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Where? That thread is like a week old lol and says exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming. They said they are giving you another chance, not that they were wrong.
In PMs. Feel free to ask Millard if he was wrong about me using private information in order to intimidate a member.

Also, if you feel like talking about this, you are free to start your own thread. Or are you helping these frauds to clutter up the thread on purpose?
Oh, in PMs? Screenshot it then.

And I’m free to start my own thread? LoL Dude you’re in their thread, you serious? And like I said, I think you’re a weasel.
Jano is in their thread talking about issue relating directly to them…

Now, you are in energy control thread talking about jano.

i think that jano is right and you are deliberately trying to switch attention to jano and clutter the thread

i checked the thread on jano and its 2 years old. if that is the single issue with jano in the past 2 years i don’t even care.

and even through i went through all the pages i cant find the report he supposedly faked. can you post that ? maybe it could change my mind

@EnergyControl did you or did you not send fake raw data to Jano and your customer @Arms_Length ? Can you give one clear one word answer?
Tbf, I don’t think EC really deflected, he answered everything it seems and then has just been spammed with “answer this in one word” while not getting much from Jano except hostility (which tbh I can understand being in Jano’s position if he’s right).

EC, are you able to provide raws for any past tests though? I’ve had a few done through you and would be interested in taking a look at them.
 
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Also, again, Jano doesn’t provide raw data for his tests, which makes this whole thing all the more funny.
 
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Also, again, Jano doesn’t provide raw data for his tests, which makes this whole thing all the more funny.
You make it easy for me to prove you are a liar.


There are literally hundreds of examples of raw data from me on the forums over the years. There’s 50 examples on http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/lab-results/ alone.

Quit trying to divert attention from the fact, that EC faked data they posted to their customer and to me, in order to get verified.

Did you not @“EnergyControl” ?
 
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Also, again, Jano doesn’t provide raw data for his tests, which makes this whole thing all the more funny.
You make it easy for me to prove you are a liar.


There are literally hundreds of examples of raw data from me on the forums over the years. There’s 50 examples on http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/lab-results/ alone.
I stand corrected, thanks weasel! I hadn’t seen any on your site and someone here said they never got raw data. You could have just responded earlier when I asked if you do or not.
 
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Where? That thread is like a week old lol and says exactly the opposite of what you’re claiming. They said they are giving you another chance, not that they were wrong.
In PMs. Feel free to ask Millard if he was wrong about me using private information in order to intimidate a member.

Also, if you feel like talking about this, you are free to start your own thread. Or are you helping these frauds to clutter up the thread on purpose?
Oh, in PMs? Screenshot it then.

And I’m free to start my own thread? LoL Dude you’re in their thread, you serious? And like I said, I think you’re a weasel.
Jano is in their thread talking about issue relating directly to them…

Now, you are in energy control thread talking about jano.

i think that jano is right and you are deliberately trying to switch attention to jano and clutter the thread

i checked the thread on jano and its 2 years old. if that is the single issue with jano in the past 2 years i don’t even care.

and even through i went through all the pages i cant find the report he supposedly faked. can you post that ? maybe it could change my mind

@EnergyControl did you or did you not send fake raw data to Jano and your customer @Arms_Length ? Can you give one clear one word answer?
Tbf, I don’t think EC really deflected, he answered everything it seems and then has just been spammed with “answer this in one word” while not getting much from Jano except hostility (which tbh I can understand being in Jano’s position if he’s right).

EC, are you able to provide raws for any past tests though? I’ve had a few done through you and would be interested in taking a look at them.
Correct me if I’m wrong but EC has not have an explanation for my fraudulent gh data. I even sent them an email about it which they have ignored. If they explained it, I would like to see the answer. I’m genuinly curious how providing fraudulent data can be explained.
 
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Also, again, Jano doesn’t provide raw data for his tests, which makes this whole thing all the more funny.
You make it easy for me to prove you are a liar.


There are literally hundreds of examples of raw data from me on the forums over the years. There’s 50 examples on http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/lab-results/ alone.
I stand corrected, thanks weasel! I hadn’t seen any on your site and someone here said they never got raw data. You could have just responded earlier when I asked if you do or not.
Why did’t you ask in my thread if it’s an issue relating to me? If you are asking here, I assume your goal is trying to clutter the thread and discredit me.

I always provide raw data to those who request them.
 
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Although we’ve already explained, let us again clarify. In exchange, we’d appreciate Jano answers the question we asked many times, and also refrain from calling us an idiot, little bitch, that he’ll fuck us up, or that methods that are industry standard aren’t valid. We’ve maintained a degree of professionalism and would hope Jano doesn’t consider 4chan-like maturity to be acceptable for an analytical service on SST.

Our policy has never been to provide raw data for OPSEC reasons. Our lab is domestic, our profession is heavily related to our services here, and our equipment and data could potentially be used to identify us. In response to a request for raw data, a newer member of our team we added to handle SST volume who wasn’t aware of our policy said yes to providing raw data before checking with the rest of fhe team. Despite us informing the member we don’t provide raw data (prior to this we didn’t even store it for OPSEC), the member told a customer we had it and would be sending it off, then sent off data without our approval, for whatever reasons they may have. We have reprimanded them and are overseeing everything they do to determine if their place on the team will be held for any longer than the probationary period we have set for them.

In spite of all this, Jano has attempted to mislead the community by claiming methods of ours that are totally valid are invalid. He has claimed numbers that are perfectly accurate are inaccurate because he thinks SST won’t understand, and for all of these, a quick Google search can validate what we say. We have 30+ customers in the past week alone who have sent us unlabeled samples and we have been able to accurately identify them. This would not be possible without the analytical abilities we possess, and that’s why we have no problem with someone like Analyzer confirming our results. We understand Jano’s concern, but his bias and vehement rhetoric are clear indicators of competitive fear.

In the end, we have always done our best to remain professional, responsive, and provide accurate results. That is something that will never change and our process has only been improved and will continue to in the future. We would never recruit memebrs on Disocrd to brigade someone, threaten them, refuse to answer their claims, etc. Jano, would you do the same for us?
 
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Our policy has never been to provide raw data for OPSEC reasons.
Then why did you fake the data and send them to your customer and me in order to get verified? Why did the ‘member’ wait so long until posting the data to me? Why did the member made up lies that the ‘member’ just got the data from the lab operator? Who else in your team lies on a regular basis?

Do you take new members into a low turnaround and low margin business that’s dealing with narcotics often?

This is what you emailed me (and to @“Arms_Length” as raw data) (in case you delete it )

I didn’t really believe that, so I scrutinized you in my email where you lied and lied and lied -
So I googled a tiny bit and the images are downloaded from here - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168

You even inverted the colors so the original image is harder to reverse image search, so it was a stupid, but deliberate lie.
 
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Our policy has never been to provide raw data for OPSEC reasons.
Then why did you fake the data and send them to your customer and me in order to get verified? Why did the ‘member’ wait so long until posting the data to me? Why did the member made up lies that the ‘member’ just got the data from the lab operator? Who else in your team lies on a regular basis?

This is what you emailed me (and to @“Arms_Length” as raw data) (in case you delete it )

I didn’t really believe that, so I scrutinized you in my email where you lied and lied and lied -
So I googled a tiny bit and the images are downloaded from here - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168

You even inverted the colors so the original image is harder to reverse image search, so it was a stupid, but deliberate lie.
Inverting colors doesn’t affect reverse image search capabilities, it simply makes the graph easier to read — all of our graphs are actually initially inverted looking. You can test this fairly easily. Regardless, I can’t speak on that as I’m not the individual who did so, I’m simply here to clean up their mess.

You can ask a million “why did they lie about this”, but in the end, I’m sure the answer to those is all the same and you are realistically just asking the same question in different ways: for whatever reason, they wanted to fulfill their word to the customer, despite the consequences it had. Either way, we are beyond confident in our results hence repeated claims paired with offers to have Analyzer or a non-bias third party validate them.

As I’ve asked, respectfully, will there ever be an answer to the claims a customer of ours made about you? We aren’t deflecting, so please don’t claim so, as we’ve been nothing but tirelessly responsive and elaborative as necessary.
 
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In spite of all this, Jano has attempted to mislead the community by claiming methods of ours that are totally valid are invalid. He has claimed numbers that are perfectly accurate are inaccurate because he thinks SST won’t understand, and for all of these, a quick Google search can validate what we say. We have 30+ customers in the past week alone who have sent us unlabeled samples and we have been able to accurately identify them. This would not be possible without the analytical abilities we possess, and that’s why we have no problem with someone like Analyzer confirming our results. We understand Jano’s concern, but his bias and vehement rhetoric are clear indicators of competitive fear.

In the end, we have always done our best to remain professional, responsive, and provide accurate results. That is something that will never change and our process has only been improved and will continue to in the future. We would never recruit memebrs on Disocrd to brigade someone, threaten them, refuse to answer their claims, etc. Jano, would you do the same for us?
Pretty words and virtue signalling don’t unmake lies.

Show me a quick google search with a study that’s publicly available where Oxandrolone is detected at 240 nm or above. You have 15 minutes, that’s plenty.

Please, in those 15 minutes also provide us with math where numbers provided by you lead to a calculation of 22 mg and 26 mg of oxandrolone per pill.

I’m waiting.

Thank you for polite reply to the two inquiries of mine above.


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Inverting colors doesn’t affect reverse image search capabilities, it simply makes the graph easier to read — all of our graphs are actually initially inverted looking. You can test this fairly easily. Regardless, I can’t speak on that as I’m not the individual who did so, I’m simply here to clean up their mess.

You can ask a million “why did they lie about this”, but in the end, I’m sure the answer to those is all the same and you are realistically just asking the same question in different ways: for whatever reason, they wanted to fulfill their word to the customer, despite the consequences it had. Either way, we are beyond confident in our results hence repeated claims paired with offers to have Analyzer or a non-bias third party validate them.

As I’ve asked, respectfully, will there ever be an answer to the claims a customer of ours made about you? We aren’t deflecting, so please don’t claim so, as we’ve been nothing but tirelessly responsive and elaborative as necessary.
So please, I am respectfully asking you to state what you have admitted multiple times now “Yes, we have provided fake data to Janoshik and our customers.”

Do that and you’ll have me off your back for a little while.

Offer to have Analyzer test is sounds almost funny, as you surely know he is impossible to reach at the moment, there’s a big fuss about it on Meso.

You can get the answer to the claims the customer made on Meso, enjoy the reading. How is not bringing a completely unrelated topic not a deflection, though?
 
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In spite of all this, Jano has attempted to mislead the community by claiming methods of ours that are totally valid are invalid. He has claimed numbers that are perfectly accurate are inaccurate because he thinks SST won’t understand, and for all of these, a quick Google search can validate what we say. We have 30+ customers in the past week alone who have sent us unlabeled samples and we have been able to accurately identify them. This would not be possible without the analytical abilities we possess, and that’s why we have no problem with someone like Analyzer confirming our results. We understand Jano’s concern, but his bias and vehement rhetoric are clear indicators of competitive fear.

In the end, we have always done our best to remain professional, responsive, and provide accurate results. That is something that will never change and our process has only been improved and will continue to in the future. We would never recruit memebrs on Disocrd to brigade someone, threaten them, refuse to answer their claims, etc. Jano, would you do the same for us?
Pretty words and virtue signalling don’t unmake lies.

Show me a quick google search with a study that’s publicly available where Oxandrolone is detected at 240 nm or above. You have 15 minutes, that’s plenty.

Please, in those 15 minutes also provide us with math where numbers provided by you lead to a calculation of 22 mg and 26 mg of oxandrolone per pill.

I’m waiting.

Thank you for polite reply to the two inquiries of mine above.
My work day starts at 9, I’d appreciate you don’t tell me how many minutes are enough for me to validate something you should already know and that I’ve already emailed you about previously.

Not only is it not uncommon to test for Oxandrolone at varying wavelengths, but considering how frequently the substance is cut or faked, it’s improtant more than other orals even to scan at different wavelengths. Additionally, our mobile phase, column length, time tested, etc., are all important factors that you would have no idea the effects of on our data without using the exact equipment and methodology.

We won’t be responding to you further until you stop ignoring anything we’ve asked of you, because we’ve beaten a dead horse on multiple repetitive answers and maintained a respectful level of professionalism but haven’t received any answers in return. The customer told us you never received their package but provided results for them. I asked them to clarify, they told me there isn’t much more besides the fact they’re confident you had to have faked results. As much as I’m sure you’d prefer this pushed over to MESO, I’m sure it’s useful to clarify here.
 
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My work day starts at 9, I’d appreciate you don’t tell me how many minutes are enough for me to validate something you should already know and that I’ve already emailed you about previously.

Not only is it not uncommon to test for Oxandrolone at varying wavelengths, but considering how frequently the substance is cut or faked, it’s improtant more than other orals even to scan at different wavelengths. Additionally, our mobile phase, column length, time tested, etc., are all important factors that you would have no idea the effects of on our data without using the exact equipment and methodology.

We won’t be responding to you further until you stop ignoring anything we’ve asked of you, because we’ve beaten a dead horse on multiple repetitive answers and maintained a respectful level of professionalism but haven’t received any answers in return.
You literally said “a quick Google search can validate what we say” and now you are deflecting in public. Laughable.

Thank you for proving my point.
 
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And again, if you were remotely capable of interpreting HPLC data, you’d know those two numbers SHOULD be almost the same. How many times have I had to say this? You can’t just say it and hope SST believes you because we aren’t all analytical chemists.


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My work day starts at 9, I’d appreciate you don’t tell me how many minutes are enough for me to validate something you should already know and that I’ve already emailed you about previously.

Not only is it not uncommon to test for Oxandrolone at varying wavelengths, but considering how frequently the substance is cut or faked, it’s improtant more than other orals even to scan at different wavelengths. Additionally, our mobile phase, column length, time tested, etc., are all important factors that you would have no idea the effects of on our data without using the exact equipment and methodology.

We won’t be responding to you further until you stop ignoring anything we’ve asked of you, because we’ve beaten a dead horse on multiple repetitive answers and maintained a respectful level of professionalism but haven’t received any answers in return.
You literally said “a quick Google search can validate what we say” and now you are deflecting in public. Laughable.

Thank you for proving my point.
Yes, you can quickly Google it and validate it. I’m not sure how that’s difficult to process. As someone in your position though, you should already know this.
Please continue to ask us the same questions over and over again in an attempt to bury the fraud you didn’t think would come out. Even your abrasive nature and threats should leave any potential customers worried.
 
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Yes, you can quickly Google it and validate it. I’m not sure how that’s difficult to process. As someone in your position though, you should already know this.
Why don’t you link it here for everybody then to see that you are right?

This is almost fun.
 
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