Feedback on my HGH/Slin Protocol

[rippedgenesbro]

I’m currently bulking on MENT (50mg ED), NPP (50mg ED), and Anadrol (100mg ED; though the Anadrol will end in about 2 weeks). It’s always been a dream of mine to run HGH, and this year I decided to treat myself… So, I picked up some generic HGH kits from Dragon Ordnance, and I put together a little HGH protocol. I went back and forth on whether I wanted to run Insulin with the HGH, and I finally decided to give it a shot (pardon the pun), since I was able to find a guy in my area that sold me a brand new 10mL vial of Humalog for $65. Anyway, I’m looking to get some feedback on my plan. Here it is:

6:00 AM - 4 IU of HGH, pinned subcutaneously
8:15 AM - Breakfast (~55g protein, ~115g carbs, ~15g fat)
5:30 PM - 4 IU of HGH, pinned subcutaneously
5:45 PM - 6 IU of Slin (Humalog)
5:50 PM - 2 scoops of Whey, 60g of dextrose, 5g of Creatine Monohydrate, and Pre-Workout Drink
6:00 - 8:00 PM - Workout, sipping 20g of EAAs, 60g of dextrose, and 5g of Creatine Monohydrate
8:15 PM - Dinner (~40g protein, ~125g carbs, ~30g fat)

So, how does that sound? I’m debating about whether I want to throw another scoop of whey in, post-workout… I’m also a little on the fence about whether I should be splitting up my HGH dose into morning and evening pins, or whether I should just be pinning the full 8 IU pre-workout. If I keep the HGH dose split, would it be beneficial to pin another 6 IU of slin 15 minutes after my morning HGH dose, and gulp down another 10g of dextrose per IU of slin, or would that be overkill? I’m open to any and all feedback. Thanks!

 

[Pharmahgh]

rippedgenesbro" pid='34621' dateline='1545276631:

I’m currently bulking on MENT (50mg ED), NPP (50mg ED), and Anadrol (100mg ED; though the Anadrol will end in about 2 weeks). It’s always been a dream of mine to run HGH, and this year I decided to treat myself… So, I picked up some generic HGH kits from Dragon Ordnance, and I put together a little HGH protocol. I went back and forth on whether I wanted to run Insulin with the HGH, and I finally decided to give it a shot (pardon the pun), since I was able to find a guy in my area that sold me a brand new 10mL vial of Humalog for $65. Anyway, I’m looking to get some feedback on my plan. Here it is:

6:00 AM - 4 IU of HGH, pinned subcutaneously
8:15 AM - Breakfast (~55g protein, ~115g carbs, ~15g fat)
5:30 PM - 4 IU of HGH, pinned subcutaneously
5:45 PM - 6 IU of Slin (Humalog)
5:50 PM - 2 scoops of Whey, 60g of dextrose, 5g of Creatine Monohydrate, and Pre-Workout Drink
6:00 - 8:00 PM - Workout, sipping 20g of EAAs, 60g of dextrose, and 5g of Creatine Monohydrate
8:15 PM - Dinner (~40g protein, ~125g carbs, ~30g fat)

So, how does that sound? I’m debating about whether I want to throw another scoop of whey in, post-workout… I’m also a little on the fence about whether I should be splitting up my HGH dose into morning and evening pins, or whether I should just be pinning the full 8 IU pre-workout. If I keep the HGH dose split, would it be beneficial to pin another 6 IU of slin 15 minutes after my morning HGH dose, and gulp down another 10g of dextrose per IU of slin, or would that be overkill? I’m open to any and all feedback. Thanks!

The important thing with hgh is to keep it circulating so I would keep the split. would def add a second dose of slin. Dont think its overkill at all. Im running slin with every meal as well as pre and post workout right now and am handling it very well. depends on the individual and there goals

Dragons got Humalog for cheaper

 

[rippedgenesbro]

Pharmahgh" pid='34626' dateline='1545278831:

The important thing with hgh is to keep it circulating so I would keep the split. would def add a second dose of slin. Dont think its overkill at all. Im running slin with every meal as well as pre and post workout right now and am handling it very well. depends on the individual and there goals

Dragons got Humalog for cheaper

That’s pretty much what I was thinking. I originally opted for the split because it created more consistency and kept the HGH more balanced, so I’m glad you think that was the right call.

I’m not opposed to running more slin. The “morning” part of my protocol was actually a holdover from the concept of taking the HGH in a “fasted” state early in the morning, a few hours before I’d be eating, in order to take advantage of the fat-burning effects of the GH. Since this is a bulking blast (and thus, the goal is to get huge), I suppose it makes more sense to take the morning HGH dose closer to breakfast, and run slin right behind it with some high carbs. Perhaps I’ll bump the HGH dose up to 7 AM and give myself an extra hour to sleep in, then run 6 IU of slin at 7:15 AM, followed by 60g of carbs and some protein 5 minutes later, and then my breakfast at 8:30 AM or so. How does that sound?

I have to be honest, all this dextrose intake freaks me out just a little bit. I mean, I realize that it’s what you’re supposed to be doing on slin, but it sure is a TON of sugar to be knocking back, day in and day out. There’s a little voice in the back of my head shouting “you’re going to get so fat!” Haha.

Here’s another question: Is it a good idea to do something like 4-6 weeks of slin, then 4-6 weeks off, and then another 4-6 weeks of slin? Or do you think I should just be pinning slin throughout the entire 5 months of this blast? Also, should I refrain from pinning the slin and doing the whole dextrose thing on my rest day? Thanks for the help, bud!

P.S. The only reason I went local for the slin was because I wanted to get it in my hands as soon as possible, and grabbing it from a guy selling it here in town was even quicker than getting it shipped from a source. In the future, I’ll probably get it from Dragon, since he’s a beast!

 

[Pharmahgh]

rippedgenesbro" pid='34627' dateline='1545280857:

Pharmahgh" pid='34626' dateline='1545278831:

The important thing with hgh is to keep it circulating so I would keep the split. would def add a second dose of slin. Dont think its overkill at all. Im running slin with every meal as well as pre and post workout right now and am handling it very well. depends on the individual and there goals

Dragons got Humalog for cheaper

That’s pretty much what I was thinking. I originally opted for the split because it created more consistency and kept the HGH more balanced, so I’m glad you think that was the right call.

I’m not opposed to running more slin. The “morning” part of my protocol was actually a holdover from the concept of taking the HGH in a “fasted” state early in the morning, a few hours before I’d be eating, in order to take advantage of the fat-burning effects of the GH. Since this is a bulking blast (and thus, the goal is to get huge), I suppose it makes more sense to take the morning HGH dose closer to breakfast, and run slin right behind it with some high carbs. Perhaps I’ll bump the HGH dose up to 7 AM and give myself an extra hour to sleep in, then run 6 IU of slin at 7:15 AM, followed by 60g of carbs and some protein 5 minutes later, and then my breakfast at 8:30 AM or so. How does that sound?

I have to be honest, all this dextrose intake freaks me out just a little bit. I mean, I realize that it’s what you’re supposed to be doing on slin, but it sure is a TON of sugar to be knocking back, day in and day out. There’s a little voice in the back of my head shouting “you’re going to get so fat!” Haha.

Here’s another question: Is it a good idea to do something like 4-6 weeks of slin, then 4-6 weeks off, and then another 4-6 weeks of slin? Or do you think I should just be pinning slin throughout the entire 5 months of this blast? Also, should I refrain from pinning the slin and doing the whole dextrose thing on my rest day? Thanks for the help, bud!

P.S. The only reason I went local for the slin was because I wanted to get it in my hands as soon as possible, and grabbing it from a guy selling it here in town was even quicker than getting it shipped from a source. In the future, I’ll probably get it from Dragon, since he’s a beast!

your logic and protocol sounds good.I would do the slin pre and post workout with shakes pre, intra,and post. thats the only thing I would do different If this is your first run with slin or you just haven’t found how much carbs and food your body can handle when your running it then I would say ease into it. gauge your carbs you may not need 10g per iu. your def going to put on some water weight (sub q as well) but who cares you want that now. A lot of people gain water and think there getting fat but if your lean already and you cant feel the fat under the skin (the granules) then your not getting fat. I can tell if Im gaining fat. To be honest it would be very hard to put on fat right now and if your on hgh and that much gear it would be hard for you as well unless your metabolism is in the dirt and your guzzling oil, or your insulin resistant.

I recomend running slin no more than 6 weeks. 4 is ideal then take 4 off. I you wont then at least 2 weeks off. get some berberine and run 500mg 2x a day this acts as metformin without the gas and stomach issues. Berberine keeps me from getting insulin resistant. truth be told i can run slin for months straight without raising my fasted glucose levels. Make sure you have a glucose meter check your glucose but check fasted in the am you should be under 80

 

[rippedgenesbro]

Pharmahgh" pid='34631' dateline='1545282989:

your logic and protocol sounds good.I would do the slin pre and post workout with shakes pre, intra,and post. thats the only thing I would do different If this is your first run with slin or you just haven’t found how much carbs and food your body can handle when your running it then I would say ease into it. gauge your carbs you may not need 10g per iu. your def going to put on some water weight (sub q as well) but who cares you want that now. A lot of people gain water and think there getting fat but if your lean already and you cant feel the fat under the skin (the granules) then your not getting fat. I can tell if Im gaining fat. To be honest it would be very hard to put on fat right now and if your on hgh and that much gear it would be hard for you as well unless your metabolism is in the dirt and your guzzling oil, or your insulin resistant.

I recomend running slin no more than 6 weeks. 4 is ideal then take 4 off. I you wont then at least 2 weeks off. get some berberine and run 500mg 2x a day this acts as metformin without the gas and stomach issues. Berberine keeps me from getting insulin resistant. truth be told i can run slin for months straight without raising my fasted glucose levels. Make sure you have a glucose meter check your glucose but check fasted in the am you should be under 80

So, wait a second, you’re saying to run 6 IU of slin pre-workout, and then another 6 IU post-workout? That puts me pinning slin maybe 2.5 hours apart… Won’t the Humalog stack (at least somewhat) in that case? I like the idea of centralizing my Slin usage around workout time, but I also kinda figured that it would be better to run the second slin dose closer to when i pin my other HGH dose… Is that not the case?

Here’s what I gather from what you’re suggesting:

6 or 7 AM (not sure which) - 4 IU of HGH, subq
8:30 AM - Breakfast (~55g protein, ~115g carbs, ~15g fat)
5:30 PM - 4 IU of HGH, subq
5:45 PM - 6 IU of Slin (Humalog)
5:50 PM - 2 scoops of Whey, 60g of dextrose, 5g of Creatine Monohydrate, and Pre-Workout Drink
6:00 - 8:00 PM - Workout, sipping 20g of EAAs, 60g of dextrose, and 5g of Creatine Monohydrate
8:15 PM - 6 IU of Slin (Humalog)
8:20 PM - 2 scoops of whey, 60g of dextrose, 5g of Creatine Monohydrate
8:45 (maybe?) - Dinner (~40g protein, ~125g carbs, ~30g fat)

I mean, that puts me taking my second dose of Slin pretty late in the evening, closer to bedtime. I also have a post-dinner nighttime meal before bed, so that gives me less time to cram that in, too…

 

[system]

I think the ticket is this:

Wakeup: First GH shot
Hour pre-workout: first slin shot, pre-workout meal, no fats
Workout: Intra-workout carb and bcaa shake
Immediate Post-workout: second slin shot, post-workout protein shake with carbs, no fats
Hour after post-workout slin shot: Some carbs to handle rest of insulin spike. May not be totally necessary but I have had one or two hype experiences about an hour after my slin shot even though I covered the slin with initial carbs. At a minimum, keep some glucose tabs around to keep this from happening.

Having fats with your carbs post-insulin shot will affect the absorption of the carbs and could cause you to go hypo. Additionally, the slin will shuttle fats just like it does carbs and protein and chances are that is not your goal.

Why not just get Humalin R otc? It’s like $25.

 

[Pharmahgh]

rippedgenesbro" pid='34636' dateline='1545284475:

Pharmahgh" pid='34631' dateline='1545282989:

your logic and protocol sounds good.I would do the slin pre and post workout with shakes pre, intra,and post. thats the only thing I would do different If this is your first run with slin or you just haven’t found how much carbs and food your body can handle when your running it then I would say ease into it. gauge your carbs you may not need 10g per iu. your def going to put on some water weight (sub q as well) but who cares you want that now. A lot of people gain water and think there getting fat but if your lean already and you cant feel the fat under the skin (the granules) then your not getting fat. I can tell if Im gaining fat. To be honest it would be very hard to put on fat right now and if your on hgh and that much gear it would be hard for you as well unless your metabolism is in the dirt and your guzzling oil, or your insulin resistant.

I recomend running slin no more than 6 weeks. 4 is ideal then take 4 off. I you wont then at least 2 weeks off. get some berberine and run 500mg 2x a day this acts as metformin without the gas and stomach issues. Berberine keeps me from getting insulin resistant. truth be told i can run slin for months straight without raising my fasted glucose levels. Make sure you have a glucose meter check your glucose but check fasted in the am you should be under 80

So, wait a second, you’re saying to run 6 IU of slin pre-workout, and then another 6 IU post-workout? That puts me pinning slin maybe 2.5 hours apart… Won’t the Humalog stack (at least somewhat) in that case? I like the idea of centralizing my Slin usage around workout time, but I also kinda figured that it would be better to run the second slin dose closer to when i pin my other HGH dose… Is that not the case?

Here’s what I gather from what you’re suggesting:

6 or 7 AM (not sure which) - 4 IU of HGH, subq
8:30 AM - Breakfast (~55g protein, ~115g carbs, ~15g fat)
5:30 PM - 4 IU of HGH, subq
5:45 PM - 6 IU of Slin (Humalog)
5:50 PM - 2 scoops of Whey, 60g of dextrose, 5g of Creatine Monohydrate, and Pre-Workout Drink
6:00 - 8:00 PM - Workout, sipping 20g of EAAs, 60g of dextrose, and 5g of Creatine Monohydrate
8:15 PM - 6 IU of Slin (Humalog)
8:20 PM - 2 scoops of whey, 60g of dextrose, 5g of Creatine Monohydrate
8:45 (maybe?) - Dinner (~40g protein, ~125g carbs, ~30g fat)

I mean, that puts me taking my second dose of Slin pretty late in the evening, closer to bedtime. I also have a post-dinner nighttime meal before bed, so that gives me less time to cram that in, too…

Yes sir Ive used this protocol before Its milos sarccev type protocol its all centered around using slin for your nutrient partitioning when you most need it during and after your workout for recovery. I recommend only using humalog for this type protocol its a bit faster acting than humalin r its onset time and peak times are faster.

After your workout take your slin drink your shake and have one last meal before bed protine, fats and carbs

 

[rippedgenesbro]

Pharmahgh" pid='34710' dateline='1545347440:

Yes sir Ive used this protocol before Its milos sarccev type protocol its all centered around using slin for your nutrient partitioning when you most need it during and after your workout for recovery. I recommend only using humalog for this type protocol its a bit faster acting than humalin r its onset time and peak times are faster.

After your workout take your slin drink your shake and have one last meal before bed protine, fats and carbs

I’m just not a huge fan of the idea of taking that second insulin shot without HGH (since my HGH dose will be way back in the morning). I understand the reasoning behind taking the second slin shot post-workout, though… I do think that it’s going to make things slightly trickier because it’ll be so close to my first shot, though. There will still be some Humalog activity going on from my first slin shot by the time I take the second.

So, you’re saying that after my workout, I’m supposed to take another shake of 2 scoops of whey and 60g of dextrose, and then only have 1 balanced meal after that for the rest of the night? That’s going to require a huge change to my diet, because currently, my dinner occurs after my workout, and then there is a whole new meal at around 10:30 PM that consists of mainly protein and carbs (i.e., casein, cottage cheese, oats, etc.). I’m either going to have to combine all that with my dinner and cram it in before bed, or rearrange things to where I’m eating that stuff earlier in the day at different times. I’m pretty adamant about my casein/cottage cheese before bed, though, since it gives my body protein to digest throughout the night while I’m asleep – that would have to stay in place in the late PM.

Taking slin first thing in the morning, right after my first HGH dose, just seems to fit a lot better for me. Is that really such a bad/inferior idea?

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musashi85" pid='34701' dateline='1545342314:

I think the ticket is this:

Wakeup: First GH shot
Hour pre-workout: first slin shot, pre-workout meal, no fats
Workout: Intra-workout carb and bcaa shake
Immediate Post-workout: second slin shot, post-workout protein shake with carbs, no fats
Hour after post-workout slin shot: Some carbs to handle rest of insulin spike. May not be totally necessary but I have had one or two hype experiences about an hour after my slin shot even though I covered the slin with initial carbs. At a minimum, keep some glucose tabs around to keep this from happening.

Having fats with your carbs post-insulin shot will affect the absorption of the carbs and could cause you to go hypo. Additionally, the slin will shuttle fats just like it does carbs and protein and chances are that is not your goal.

Why not just get Humalin R otc? It’s like $25.

You didn’t mention in there when I"d be taking my second HGH dose…

You have to understand that, given my schedule, my workouts end right around 8 PM. You’re talking about keeping fats out of my post-workout meals and whatnot due to the post-workout slin that you’re recommending, but think about the fact that at that point in my day, I haven’t eaten dinner yet, and I have a rather small window of time between my workout and bedtime where I can fit dinner in. Dinner is also a balanced meal for me, so it has to include fats.

I don’t like the idea of Humalin-R or Novalin-R because even though they are cheap and available OTC, they are not as rapid as Humalog, and they have a longer activity time. In my opinion, that just creates unnecessary complications with regard to managing blood sugar. I’m looking for the most rapid-acting slin out there, so it can kick in fact, shuttle the nutrients into my muscles, and I can counteract any potential hypo issues quickly with my dextrose shakes. Then I’m done with it. I don’t want a few extra hours of guesswork trying to see if I’m going to start feeling hypo because I used an intermediate-speed insulin like Humalin-R.

 

[-WG-]

This thread is hard to read…lol Far too much questionable shit has been said, I don’t even have the attention span, or mental fortitude to dissect it.

Best of luck with the slin!

 

[Pharmahgh]

rippedgenesbro" pid='34775' dateline='1545405905:

Pharmahgh" pid='34710' dateline='1545347440:

Yes sir Ive used this protocol before Its milos sarccev type protocol its all centered around using slin for your nutrient partitioning when you most need it during and after your workout for recovery. I recommend only using humalog for this type protocol its a bit faster acting than humalin r its onset time and peak times are faster.

After your workout take your slin drink your shake and have one last meal before bed protine, fats and carbs

I’m just not a huge fan of the idea of taking that second insulin shot without HGH (since my HGH dose will be way back in the morning). I understand the reasoning behind taking the second slin shot post-workout, though… I do think that it’s going to make things slightly trickier because it’ll be so close to my first shot, though. There will still be some Humalog activity going on from my first slin shot by the time I take the second.

So, you’re saying that after my workout, I’m supposed to take another shake of 2 scoops of whey and 60g of dextrose, and then only have 1 balanced meal after that for the rest of the night? That’s going to require a huge change to my diet, because currently, my dinner occurs after my workout, and then there is a whole new meal at around 10:30 PM that consists of mainly protein and carbs (i.e., casein, cottage cheese, oats, etc.). I’m either going to have to combine all that with my dinner and cram it in before bed, or rearrange things to where I’m eating that stuff earlier in the day at different times. I’m pretty adamant about my casein/cottage cheese before bed, though, since it gives my body protein to digest throughout the night while I’m asleep – that would have to stay in place in the late PM.

Taking slin first thing in the morning, right after my first HGH dose, just seems to fit a lot better for me. Is that really such a bad/inferior idea?

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musashi85" pid='34701' dateline='1545342314:

I think the ticket is this:

Wakeup: First GH shot
Hour pre-workout: first slin shot, pre-workout meal, no fats
Workout: Intra-workout carb and bcaa shake
Immediate Post-workout: second slin shot, post-workout protein shake with carbs, no fats
Hour after post-workout slin shot: Some carbs to handle rest of insulin spike. May not be totally necessary but I have had one or two hype experiences about an hour after my slin shot even though I covered the slin with initial carbs. At a minimum, keep some glucose tabs around to keep this from happening.

Having fats with your carbs post-insulin shot will affect the absorption of the carbs and could cause you to go hypo. Additionally, the slin will shuttle fats just like it does carbs and protein and chances are that is not your goal.

Why not just get Humalin R otc? It’s like $25.

You didn’t mention in there when I"d be taking my second HGH dose…

You have to understand that, given my schedule, my workouts end right around 8 PM. You’re talking about keeping fats out of my post-workout meals and whatnot due to the post-workout slin that you’re recommending, but think about the fact that at that point in my day, I haven’t eaten dinner yet, and I have a rather small window of time between my workout and bedtime where I can fit dinner in. Dinner is also a balanced meal for me, so it has to include fats.

I don’t like the idea of Humalin-R or Novalin-R because even though they are cheap and available OTC, they are not as rapid as Humalog, and they have a longer activity time. In my opinion, that just creates unnecessary complications with regard to managing blood sugar. I’m looking for the most rapid-acting slin out there, so it can kick in fact, shuttle the nutrients into my muscles, and I can counteract any potential hypo issues quickly with my dextrose shakes. Then I’m done with it. I don’t want a few extra hours of guesswork trying to see if I’m going to start feeling hypo because I used an intermediate-speed insulin like Humalin-R.

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No I dont think its inferior or a bad idea to do it in the am closer to your hgh dose. If your lifestyle wont allow it then stick with your original protocol. Just offering an alternative to what I think is the best way to use insulin before and after workout.

 

[system]

You’re right. Second GH shot is post-workout along with slin and post-workout protein shake/carbs.

I’ve been running Novolin R with no issues. If you’re still awake an hour after the shot, then I think you’re going to be able to handle any hypo issues. I’ve never experienced anything later than that and the only time I ever have had an issue was when I was really restricted on diet.

I do my first slin shot around 430p, workout from 5-730, slin/GH shot along with post-workout carbs and protein shake around 8, another meal around 9. Even if I go to bed then, I still have plenty of time to get healthy fats in during the day.

Just giving you my experience.
rippedgenesbro" pid='34775' dateline='1545405905:

Pharmahgh" pid='34710' dateline='1545347440:

Yes sir Ive used this protocol before Its milos sarccev type protocol its all centered around using slin for your nutrient partitioning when you most need it during and after your workout for recovery. I recommend only using humalog for this type protocol its a bit faster acting than humalin r its onset time and peak times are faster.

After your workout take your slin drink your shake and have one last meal before bed protine, fats and carbs

I’m just not a huge fan of the idea of taking that second insulin shot without HGH (since my HGH dose will be way back in the morning). I understand the reasoning behind taking the second slin shot post-workout, though… I do think that it’s going to make things slightly trickier because it’ll be so close to my first shot, though. There will still be some Humalog activity going on from my first slin shot by the time I take the second.

So, you’re saying that after my workout, I’m supposed to take another shake of 2 scoops of whey and 60g of dextrose, and then only have 1 balanced meal after that for the rest of the night? That’s going to require a huge change to my diet, because currently, my dinner occurs after my workout, and then there is a whole new meal at around 10:30 PM that consists of mainly protein and carbs (i.e., casein, cottage cheese, oats, etc.). I’m either going to have to combine all that with my dinner and cram it in before bed, or rearrange things to where I’m eating that stuff earlier in the day at different times. I’m pretty adamant about my casein/cottage cheese before bed, though, since it gives my body protein to digest throughout the night while I’m asleep – that would have to stay in place in the late PM.

Taking slin first thing in the morning, right after my first HGH dose, just seems to fit a lot better for me. Is that really such a bad/inferior idea?

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musashi85" pid='34701' dateline='1545342314:

I think the ticket is this:

Wakeup: First GH shot
Hour pre-workout: first slin shot, pre-workout meal, no fats
Workout: Intra-workout carb and bcaa shake
Immediate Post-workout: second slin shot, post-workout protein shake with carbs, no fats
Hour after post-workout slin shot: Some carbs to handle rest of insulin spike. May not be totally necessary but I have had one or two hype experiences about an hour after my slin shot even though I covered the slin with initial carbs. At a minimum, keep some glucose tabs around to keep this from happening.

Having fats with your carbs post-insulin shot will affect the absorption of the carbs and could cause you to go hypo. Additionally, the slin will shuttle fats just like it does carbs and protein and chances are that is not your goal.

Why not just get Humalin R otc? It’s like $25.

You didn’t mention in there when I"d be taking my second HGH dose…

You have to understand that, given my schedule, my workouts end right around 8 PM. You’re talking about keeping fats out of my post-workout meals and whatnot due to the post-workout slin that you’re recommending, but think about the fact that at that point in my day, I haven’t eaten dinner yet, and I have a rather small window of time between my workout and bedtime where I can fit dinner in. Dinner is also a balanced meal for me, so it has to include fats.

I don’t like the idea of Humalin-R or Novalin-R because even though they are cheap and available OTC, they are not as rapid as Humalog, and they have a longer activity time. In my opinion, that just creates unnecessary complications with regard to managing blood sugar. I’m looking for the most rapid-acting slin out there, so it can kick in fact, shuttle the nutrients into my muscles, and I can counteract any potential hypo issues quickly with my dextrose shakes. Then I’m done with it. I don’t want a few extra hours of guesswork trying to see if I’m going to start feeling hypo because I used an intermediate-speed insulin like Humalin-R.

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[rippedgenesbro]

-WG-" pid='34783' dateline='1545408946:

This thread is hard to read…lol Far too much questionable shit has been said, I don’t even have the attention span, or mental fortitude to dissect it.

Best of luck with the slin!

Haha, thanks, man! Always a pleasure to see you around!
Pharmahgh" pid='34788' dateline='1545414407:

No I dont think its inferior or a bad idea to do it in the am closer to your hgh dose. If your lifestyle wont allow it then stick with your original protocol. Just offering an alternative to what I think is the best way to use insulin before and after workout.

Right on, man. Truth be told, I’m excited to run the slin, and I’m willing to make some pretty significant changes to my diet in order to incorporate it, but there are certain things (like my dinner and bedtime meal) that I’d really like to leave in place, and given my schedule (and the fact that I work out with my spouse), there are some timing issues that are just going to be what they’re going to be. I think, however, that I’ve come up with something that should work nicely. Here it is:

7 AM - 4 IU HGH, subq
7:20 AM - 6 IU Humalog, subq
7:25 AM - 50g dextrose, 2 scoops whey
8:00 AM - Breakfast (55g protein, 115g carbs, 13g fat)
10:30 AM - Snack (17g protein, 42g carbs, 11g fat)
1 PM - Lunch (56g protein, 81g carbs, 12g fat)
5 PM - 4 IU HGH, subq
5:20 PM - 10 IU Humalog, subq
5:25 PM - 80g dextrose, 2 scoops whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate, & Pre-Workout Drink
5:30 PM - Workout
During Workout - 60g dextrose, 20g EAAs, 5g Creatine Monohydrate
Post-Workout - 1 scoop whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate
8:15 - Dinner (42g protein, 122g carbs, 32g fat)
10:30 PM - Bedtime Meal (45g protein, 58g carbs, 6g fat)

(No Slin on the 1 rest day of the week)
(4 weeks on Slin, 4 weeks off, etc.)
(Berberine - 500mg twice a day)

The 6 IU morning slin does is intended to keep the muscles full and to ward off any early morning catabolism. The 10 IU pre-workout dose is intended to generate big-time growth and give me those killer pumps in the gym. I’m due for my first HGH and slin dose tonight, so I’m going to give the 4 IU HGH/10 IU Slin dose a try… I’m starting off at 8g carbs/IU of slin, which is a little below the recommended guideline, but I’ll have some glucose tablets on hand in case I start feeling hypo, so I think I’ll be fine. Pinning in about an hour, so wish me luck, guys! I am both nervous AND excited as hell!

One of the things I’ve been struggling with as I’ve been designing this protocol has been trying to determine how big of a calorie increase I should be using now that I’m running the HGH and Slin… With all this dextrose and whey I’m adding into my diet, my surplus has risen significantly. I’ve modified my meal planning to keep things more in line, but it’s still going to end up being 500 calories more than I’ve been taking in. I’m pretty sure that’s fine, though, given the potency of the HGH and Slin, and their effects on body composition. What do you guys think?

 

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If you’re dead set on sticking with humalog then I think you should try to time it closer to a decent slow carb meal. With the amount of dextrose you’re consuming around the humalog shots you should be covered but it might make you feel a bit crappy. The dextrose will get cleared out quick around your work outs.

Consider doing your pre-workout humalog shot 1.5-2hrs after a good lunch.

Also I don’t think it’ll make a huge difference keeping the gh and insulin shot separate by less than 30minutes. You can just combine them together. Keep them separate only if you’ll be taking the gh shot fasted before and after.

 

[Pharmahgh]

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This thread is hard to read…lol Far too much questionable shit has been said, I don’t even have the attention span, or mental fortitude to dissect it.

Best of luck with the slin!

Haha, thanks, man! Always a pleasure to see you around!
Pharmahgh" pid='34788' dateline='1545414407:

No I dont think its inferior or a bad idea to do it in the am closer to your hgh dose. If your lifestyle wont allow it then stick with your original protocol. Just offering an alternative to what I think is the best way to use insulin before and after workout.

Right on, man. Truth be told, I’m excited to run the slin, and I’m willing to make some pretty significant changes to my diet in order to incorporate it, but there are certain things (like my dinner and bedtime meal) that I’d really like to leave in place, and given my schedule (and the fact that I work out with my spouse), there are some timing issues that are just going to be what they’re going to be. I think, however, that I’ve come up with something that should work nicely. Here it is:

7 AM - 4 IU HGH, subq
7:20 AM - 6 IU Humalog, subq
7:25 AM - 50g dextrose, 2 scoops whey
8:00 AM - Breakfast (55g protein, 115g carbs, 13g fat)
10:30 AM - Snack (17g protein, 42g carbs, 11g fat)
1 PM - Lunch (56g protein, 81g carbs, 12g fat)
5 PM - 4 IU HGH, subq
5:20 PM - 10 IU Humalog, subq
5:25 PM - 80g dextrose, 2 scoops whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate, & Pre-Workout Drink
5:30 PM - Workout
During Workout - 60g dextrose, 20g EAAs, 5g Creatine Monohydrate
Post-Workout - 1 scoop whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate
8:15 - Dinner (42g protein, 122g carbs, 32g fat)
10:30 PM - Bedtime Meal (45g protein, 58g carbs, 6g fat)

(No Slin on the 1 rest day of the week)
(4 weeks on Slin, 4 weeks off, etc.)
(Berberine - 500mg twice a day)

The 6 IU morning slin does is intended to keep the muscles full and to ward off any early morning catabolism. The 10 IU pre-workout dose is intended to generate big-time growth and give me those killer pumps in the gym. I’m due for my first HGH and slin dose tonight, so I’m going to give the 4 IU HGH/10 IU Slin dose a try… I’m starting off at 8g carbs/IU of slin, which is a little below the recommended guideline, but I’ll have some glucose tablets on hand in case I start feeling hypo, so I think I’ll be fine. Pinning in about an hour, so wish me luck, guys! I am both nervous AND excited as hell!

One of the things I’ve been struggling with as I’ve been designing this protocol has been trying to determine how big of a calorie increase I should be using now that I’m running the HGH and Slin… With all this dextrose and whey I’m adding into my diet, my surplus has risen significantly. I’ve modified my meal planning to keep things more in line, but it’s still going to end up being 500 calories more than I’ve been taking in. I’m pretty sure that’s fine, though, given the potency of the HGH and Slin, and their effects on body composition. What do you guys think?

I wouldn’t increase any calories yet your going to gain some water retention fron the slin and hgh so its going to be hard to gauge why the scale is going up. Is it just the water or are my calories too high. Because it may be a quick 10 lb gain, you dont know. as you know on a bulk we want a slow steady gain otherwise fat could come on fast. It may be hard for you to gain fat or not you dont know yet. so I wouldn’t increase calories yet.

so instead of a shake and a meal half hour later just do a meal right after morning slin. also if your done with your workout get a full shake in for recovery.so if your done training at 7 drink shake and at 8:15 eat your meal. I understand why you want to do it this way because you want the added igf1 spike with the hgh and slin together so they peak together. In my opinion its your igf steadily elevated over time that is going to create the most hypertrophy . This is why I do the before and after workout to shuttle all those nutrients into the muscle not only while your destroying it but after also after. This is where you will get the most benefit. take advantage of the slin. It is a nutrient partitioning Hormone (shuttle Hormone). it brings nutrients to the cells when most needed. The hgh and slin separately will keep your igf elevated plenty and steadily.

Also if you did slin before and after your workout you could do your 2nd shot of hgh with your slin after your workout and get the best of both worlds huge igf1 spike and shuttle nutrient for recovery this is what I do. If you do your humalog IM its peak will be faster and it will be cleared from your body much faster. I have been using slin on and off for years with HGH and that by far has been my absolute best protocol, because your getting the spike with the hgh and your using the slin when most needed. This is a protocol many pros use.

Hope this dont mess you up haha. This is just my opinion and Im an old bastard. lol been around body building a couple minutes

 

[rippedgenesbro]

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If you’re dead set on sticking with humalog then I think you should try to time it closer to a decent slow carb meal. With the amount of dextrose you’re consuming around the humalog shots you should be covered but it might make you feel a bit crappy. The dextrose will get cleared out quick around your work outs.

Consider doing your pre-workout humalog shot 1.5-2hrs after a good lunch.

Also I don’t think it’ll make a huge difference keeping the gh and insulin shot separate by less than 30minutes. You can just combine them together. Keep them separate only if you’ll be taking the gh shot fasted before and after.

So, I kinda have to eat my lunch in the 12-1 timeframe, and I can’t work out until right around 6 PM. If I took my Humalog 1.5-2 hours after lunch, it would basically be dying out by the time I got started working out, so I don’t think that will work, man…

For what it’s worth, I did legs today (which should be a good indicator of how depleted I get during a workout, and I felt fine at 10 IU of Humalog – in fact, I think 80g of dextrose pre-workout and 60g intra-workout was overkill, and I’m going to tone that down…
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I wouldn’t increase any calories yet your going to gain some water retention fron the slin and hgh so its going to be hard to gauge why the scale is going up. Is it just the water or are my calories too high. Because it may be a quick 10 lb gain, you dont know. as you know on a bulk we want a slow steady gain otherwise fat could come on fast. It may be hard for you to gain fat or not you dont know yet. so I wouldn’t increase calories yet.

so instead of a shake and a meal half hour later just do a meal right after morning slin. also if your done with your workout get a full shake in for recovery.so if your done training at 7 drink shake and at 8:15 eat your meal. I understand why you want to do it this way because you want the added igf1 spike with the hgh and slin together so they peak together. In my opinion its your igf steadily elevated over time that is going to create the most hypertrophy . This is why I do the before and after workout to shuttle all those nutrients into the muscle not only while your destroying it but after also after. This is where you will get the most benefit. take advantage of the slin. It is a nutrient partitioning Hormone (shuttle Hormone). it brings nutrients to the cells when most needed. The hgh and slin separately will keep your igf elevated plenty and steadily.

Also if you did slin before and after your workout you could do your 2nd shot of hgh with your slin after your workout and get the best of both worlds huge igf1 spike and shuttle nutrient for recovery this is what I do. If you do your humalog IM its peak will be faster and it will be cleared from your body much faster. I have been using slin on and off for years with HGH and that by far has been my absolute best protocol, because your getting the spike with the hgh and your using the slin when most needed. This is a protocol many pros use.

Hope this dont mess you up haha. This is just my opinion and Im an old bastard. lol been around body building a couple minutes

Man, it’s kinda hard to re-work my diet with all this extra dextrose and whey to where I’m not taking in any extra calories more than I have been. That basically leaves me knocking solid foods out of my diet to where I’m just sucking down sugar water and protein powder all the time, haha.

The reason I just did a small whey/creatine shake post-workout is basically because, with my schedule the way it is, I get home from working out and start cooking up my dinner immediately. I’m usually eating dinner within a half hour of my workout being done. I just wanted a quick hit of protein, that’s all. I kinda like the idea of using solid food meals instead of the dextrose shakes. For instance, if I eat 2 bagels for breakfast, I can get around 110g of carbs that should come on fairly quickly, but it won’t be just sugar water, which is nice. Good idea, man! Based on my experience tonight, this is way too much dextrose. I pinned 10 IU of Humalog subq, and if anything, I was getting a sugar rush from the 80g of dextrose pre-workout. I didn’t really feel like I “needed” the 60g of dextrose during my workout, either. There were certainly no hypo signs while I was lifting tonight, and I didn’t feel “drained” at any point – if anything, I might have been a little jittery from all the sugar! Tomorrow I’m going to try knocking down my carbs-per-IU to maybe 5-6 and see how that works out.

Here’s something I don’t really understand, man. You’ve been saying this whole time that you feel that a sustained IGF-1 elevation is the way to go, but you just suggested to me that I pin my HGH pre-workout and post-workout, along with the slin. That puts my only 2 HGH doses of the day within 3 hours of each other – wouldn’t that generate a far more “peaky” IGF-1 level than splitting the HGH between morning and pre-workout?

I think I’m going to stick with the HGH split into morning and pre-workout doses… It just seems like a solid, well-balanced plan to me. However, the more I think about it, the more I like the slin pre- and post-workout. I mean, don’t get me wrong here – right from the beginning, I knew that it made total sense from a nutrient-shuttling perspective – I get that. It was just bugging me that I couldn’t find a way to pair both slin shots with an HGH dose. However, the more I mull it over, the less important I think it is to pair them one after the other. I mean, as long as I have a nice high steady IGF-1 level from my split HGH dose, I should be able to use the insulin in the manner in which it will produce the greatest results, even if that means not pinning one of the slin doses right after an HGH shot. I’m going to keep an open mind!

So, naturally, I thought I’d test it out. It’s been less than an hour since I finished my workout. While I was finishing up cooking dinner, I pinned another 8 IU of Humalog. Based on my experience with the carbs tonight, and the amount of carbs in my dinner, I should be fine, so we’ll see. I’m sitting here typing this with a huge bowl of pasta in front of me, chowing down. If this goes well, I’ll probably pin my second dose of slin at 8-10 IU tomorrow, directly after my workout (before my post-workout shake), and then eat dinner.

Tonight has certainly been eventful – I went from wanting to get my feet wet with a 6 IU pre-workout slin dose to pinning 18 IU in the span of 4 hours… Haha!

 

[rippedgenesbro]

I know people are probably getting tired of seeing all these proposed schedules, but I think I’ve finally got a winner here…

6 AM - 5 IU HGH, pinned subcutaneously
8 AM - Breakfast (55g protein, 115g carbs, 15g fat)
10:30 AM - Snack (15g protein, 30g carbs, 10g fat)
1:00 PM - Lunch (60g protein, 100g carbs, 15g fat)
5:00 PM (Pre-Workout) - 5 IU HGH, pinned subcutaneously
5:30 PM (Pre-Workout) - 10 IU Humalog, pinned subcutaneously, & Shake (60g dextrose, 2 scoops whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate)
5:45-7:45 PM (Intra-Workout) - Shake (50g dextrose, 20g EAAs, 5g Creatine Monohydrate)
8:00 PM (Post-Workout) - 10 IU Humalog, pinned subcutaneously & Shake (40g dextrose, 1 scoop whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate)
8:30 PM - Dinner (40g protein, 125g carbs, 30g fat)
10:30 PM - Bedtime Meal (50g protein, 90g carbs, 10g fat)

Slin = 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, repeating; no Slin on the 1 rest day of the week
Berberine - 500 mg twice a day

So, 10 IU of Growth per day (split into morning and pre-workout), and 20 IU of Slin (split into pre- and post-workout). 80g of dextrose pre-workout and 60g intra-workout felt like too much at 10 IU of slin pre-workout, even on leg day, so I’m dropping down to 60g pre- and 50g intra- to see how it plays out. Even if there’s a little Slin stacking going on during my post-workout dose, I’m going with 40g of dextrose in my recovery shake, because I’m going to be getting a solid amount of carbs just half an hour later with my dinner. Should work out well.

I think this looks like a pretty solid plan now – I should definitely see some gains with it! Let me know what you guys think, and as always, thanks for the help!

 

[Pharmahgh]

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I know people are probably getting tired of seeing all these proposed schedules, but I think I’ve finally got a winner here…

6 AM - 5 IU HGH, pinned subcutaneously
8 AM - Breakfast (55g protein, 115g carbs, 15g fat)
10:30 AM - Snack (15g protein, 30g carbs, 10g fat)
1:00 PM - Lunch (60g protein, 100g carbs, 15g fat)
5:00 PM (Pre-Workout) - 5 IU HGH, pinned subcutaneously
5:30 PM (Pre-Workout) - 10 IU Humalog, pinned subcutaneously, & Shake (60g dextrose, 2 scoops whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate)
5:45-7:45 PM (Intra-Workout) - Shake (50g dextrose, 20g EAAs, 5g Creatine Monohydrate)
8:00 PM (Post-Workout) - 10 IU Humalog, pinned subcutaneously & Shake (40g dextrose, 1 scoop whey, 5g Creatine Monohydrate)
8:30 PM - Dinner (40g protein, 125g carbs, 30g fat)
10:30 PM - Bedtime Meal (50g protein, 90g carbs, 10g fat)

Slin = 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, repeating; no Slin on the 1 rest day of the week
Berberine - 500 mg twice a day

So, 10 IU of Growth per day (split into morning and pre-workout), and 20 IU of Slin (split into pre- and post-workout). 80g of dextrose pre-workout and 60g intra-workout felt like too much at 10 IU of slin pre-workout, even on leg day, so I’m dropping down to 60g pre- and 50g intra- to see how it plays out. Even if there’s a little Slin stacking going on during my post-workout dose, I’m going with 40g of dextrose in my recovery shake, because I’m going to be getting a solid amount of carbs just half an hour later with my dinner. Should work out well.

I think this looks like a pretty solid plan now – I should definitely see some gains with it! Let me know what you guys think, and as always, thanks for the help!

Ha Ha its fine with me brother I love these conversations. I offer my experience when I can.

I think it looks good. Try it out and Im sure you will tweek it as you go.

As far as the igf spike I was really just saying that because it seemed like it was a big concern of yours. The problem is I have not seen much on the effectiveness of having hgh and igf peak together. I know there has been a lot of discussion and bro science but no raw data. Unless I just haven’t found it yet. Ive have always done my HGH post workout anyway along with my slin. but If I had to choose one or the other for after my workout it would def be slin post workout. Ill show you what my schedual looks like.

5:30 am wake T3 4iu saizan
6 am meal 1
6:10 10iu Humalog pinned IM in shoulder
7 am Train intra workout shake 2 scoop carbolyn(100g carbs) pre workout,ecas and bcaas
8:30 meal 2 shake 2 scoops whey,75g carbs 1oiu humalog pinned IM 4iu saizan
10:00 meal 3 protine,carbs, moderate fat
rest of the day is just the rest of my meals
one hour and half before bed 4iu saizan

of course there is aas in there but this is my goto slin hgh protocol one I can run for extended periods always have my berberine in when running slin and hgh or just hgh

right now I am running a diff protocol slin with every meal and pre and post workout, but it is a very aggressive protocol and can only run
it for 4 weeks then off slin for 4 weeks then back to the goto protocol. Im trying like hell to get another 10lbs of lean mass on me and even at almost 5700 calories a day which is high for me, and all that slin gaining 5 lbs has been insanely hard. I miss a meal and loose 5 lbs and it takes 2 weeks to get it back on. I have actually had to add some dirty food once and a while some ice cream. see if your a bodybuilder and stay under 10% BF its almost impossible to get fat.You will gain very small amounts in your trouble areas if you have any, but a small price to pay for an extra 10lbs of lean mass or even 5.

 

[rippedgenesbro]

Nice, man!

Quick update: I ran through the whole protocol today, from start to finish, and everything felt great! For my own curiosity, and better record-keeping, I took a ton of blood glucose readings today to see how things were going. Here are my results:

Before Lunch: 102 mg/dL
After Lunch: 93 mg/dL
After Pre-Workout 10 IU Slin dose and 60g dextrose shake: 120 mg/dL
Intra-Workout 1 (at the gym, lifting and sipping my 50g dextrose/EAA shake: 89 mg/dL
Intra-Workout 2 (still at the gym, 1 hour later): 85 mg/dL
After Post-Workout 10 IU Slin dose and 40g dextrose shake: 116 mg/dL
After Dinner (9 PM): 114 mg/dL
After Dinner 2 (9:30 PM): 106 mg/dL

All readings were in the normal range, so I think I’ve nailed it for this Slin dosage, as far as my dextrose/carb intake is concerned. What do you think? I’ll be checking it tomorrow morning when I wake up (it won’t be a full 12-hour fast, but it’s as close as I’m going to get – I’ll also get to see my full 12-hour fasted glucose when I get my next set of bloods done for this blast).

Slin is a lot easier to handle than I anticipated it was going to be. This feels like a breeze! I’m actually a little bummed that I’ve only planned to run it for 4-week stretches… Given that 4 days of those 4 weeks will be rest days, my plan really only has me running it for 24 days at a time. I’m already giving some serious thought to bumping it up a bit – something like 5-6 weeks on and 2-3 weeks off during this blast…

 

[Pharmahgh]

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Nice, man!

Quick update: I ran through the whole protocol today, from start to finish, and everything felt great! For my own curiosity, and better record-keeping, I took a ton of blood glucose readings today to see how things were going. Here are my results:

Before Lunch: 102 mg/dL
After Lunch: 93 mg/dL
After Pre-Workout 10 IU Slin dose and 60g dextrose shake: 120 mg/dL
Intra-Workout 1 (at the gym, lifting and sipping my 50g dextrose/EAA shake: 89 mg/dL
Intra-Workout 2 (still at the gym, 1 hour later): 85 mg/dL
After Post-Workout 10 IU Slin dose and 40g dextrose shake: 116 mg/dL
After Dinner (9 PM): 114 mg/dL
After Dinner 2 (9:30 PM): 106 mg/dL

All readings were in the normal range, so I think I’ve nailed it for this Slin dosage, as far as my dextrose/carb intake is concerned. What do you think? I’ll be checking it tomorrow morning when I wake up (it won’t be a full 12-hour fast, but it’s as close as I’m going to get – I’ll also get to see my full 12-hour fasted glucose when I get my next set of bloods done for this blast).

Slin is a lot easier to handle than I anticipated it was going to be. This feels like a breeze! I’m actually a little bummed that I’ve only planned to run it for 4-week stretches… Given that 4 days of those 4 weeks will be rest days, my plan really only has me running it for 24 days at a time. I’m already giving some serious thought to bumping it up a bit – something like 5-6 weeks on and 2-3 weeks off during this blast…

Everything looks pretty damn good . See what your fasted glucose levels are and continue to check your glucose at the slins peak time to be safe.

Its really not complicated, you just have to pay attention and be disciplined with your food and checking your levels and your good.
I dont see a problem going 6 weeks with that protocol. As long as you dont start to become insulin resistant.(The berberine will take care of that). If your fasted glucose starts rising shut it down, but kill at at 6 weeks anyway even if it dosent.
good luck. Enjoy getting swole

 

[rippedgenesbro]

Pharmahgh" pid='34966' dateline='1545583365:

Everything looks pretty damn good . See what your fasted glucose levels are and continue to check your glucose at the slins peak time to be safe.

Its really not complicated, you just have to pay attention and be disciplined with your food and checking your levels and your good.
I dont see a problem going 6 weeks with that protocol. As long as you dont start to become insulin resistant.(The berberine will take care of that). If your fasted glucose starts rising shut it down, but kill at at 6 weeks anyway even if it dosent.
good luck. Enjoy getting swole

Thanks, bud! So, would you recommend running T3 (i.e., Cytomel, Tiromel, Thyro 3, etc.) at 25 mcg ED on this protocol? Or should I maybe get my TSH/T3/T4 checked with bloods in about 4 weeks and see where they’re at before adding it in, if necessary?