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How Many Pounds A Week Can You Lose on gear + Tirz?

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Ive been losing 1.5 pounds a week but I want to start restricting calories more. I read somewhere that your body can only burn 25 calories per pound of fat. So if I have 50 pounds I could do 1250 a day. 2.5 a week But maybe the gear would allow you to burn more?

I want to see if I can do 1250 a day and lose 12 pounds in 5 weeks.
 
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It's not great to just rip weight off your body that rapidly. 1lb/week naturally is considered pretty good, if you're already at a healthy body weight. With GLP-1s, 2.5 a week is quite good but if you're already at a healty body fat percentage and taking a non-TRT amount of gear you will be sacrificing strength & recovery to lose that weight and then why even be on gear?

When you're blasting steroids and lifting heavy weights, you NEED good diet & nutrition. GLP-1s like Tirz are known to slow digestion -- but slowing digestion is NOT ideal for anabolism. GLP-1s are known to improve insulin sensitivity, but it's only marginal if you're not a diabetic.

If you are looking to severely cut/starve yourself, do yourself a favor and drop the AAS until you're at a favorable body fat %... otherwise you're pulling on both sides of the rope and your body will be mega stressed out.
 

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It's not great to just rip weight off your body that rapidly. 1lb/week naturally is considered pretty good, if you're already at a healthy body weight. With GLP-1s, 2.5 a week is quite good but if you're already at a healty body fat percentage and taking a non-TRT amount of gear you will be sacrificing strength & recovery to lose that weight and then why even be on gear?

When you're blasting steroids and lifting heavy weights, you NEED good diet & nutrition. GLP-1s like Tirz are known to slow digestion -- but slowing digestion is NOT ideal for anabolism. GLP-1s are known to improve insulin sensitivity, but it's only marginal if you're not a diabetic.

If you are looking to severely cut/starve yourself, do yourself a favor and drop the AAS until you're at a favorable body fat %... otherwise you're pulling on both sides of the rope and your body will be mega stressed out.
Oh man the gear Tirz combo has been working out super well man. I'm looking better.. Gear is mitigating some of the more emotional side effects but fatigue is crazy. As you would expect when you starve yourself.


Now with that being said, you made an interesting point about digestion. I really haven't enjoyed working out much, if at all. Probably because of the deficit, but also maybe its harder to load my muscles up before a workout.

I have blood sugar problems. Not prediabetic (Did get an AC1 last year, at my fattest).. Former nicotine addict and alcoholic - meaning my whole brain and body has been rewired. Even when I'm in shape I crave sugar like crazy.

So I'm planning on just staying on TIrz for a while. Cut --> maintenance dose (clean bulk + blast) --> final cut. It's not till I get close to 12% bodyfat that I will go off the tirz.
 

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Oh man the gear Tirz combo has been working out super well man.

I fully believe you. Last summer I was doing a cruise dose of 150mg/wk Test E along with 3IU GH and 10mg/week of Tirz before my winter bulk, and I was able to get super lean very quickly. I am a big proponent of GLP1 meds not only for athletes, but for anyone struggling with weight loss -- I am a big believer that obesity is the biggest issue plaguing public health today, and I fully believe in the power of these meds to help change that.

BUT! They are almost the opposite of AAS in many regards. AAS are used to get bigger, GLP1s are used to get smaller. Simple as that, in my mind. If you are on a clinically effective weight loss dose of tirzepatide, and you drink your protein shake, the simple fact is that now your body is LESS efficient at digesting that protein and therefore using that protein. Not to mention the anecdotes about protein shakes going rancid in your stomach from the slowed gastric emptying, leading to even worse "protein farts" than usual -- yuck.

When you're trying to build muscle, your muscles need nutrients and that requires food to pass from your stomach into your intestines where those nutrients can be absorbed into your system. If your stomach is full, or you're satiated/not hungry, or you're not eating, your body is just going to be worse at building muscle... which is fine, if your goal is losing weight! But then what are your AAS doing? Maybe they are marginally being better at nutrient partitioning the food you are digesting... Maybe they are helping you retain muscle through your deficit, but TRT will do all that just fine.

It's your call. But you can't get bigger and smaller at the same time.
 

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I fully believe you. Last summer I was doing a cruise dose of 150mg/wk Test E along with 3IU GH and 10mg/week of Tirz before my winter bulk, and I was able to get super lean very quickly. I am a big proponent of GLP1 meds not only for athletes, but for anyone struggling with weight loss -- I am a big believer that obesity is the biggest issue plaguing public health today, and I fully believe in the power of these meds to help change that.

BUT! They are almost the opposite of AAS in many regards. AAS are used to get bigger, GLP1s are used to get smaller. Simple as that, in my mind. If you are on a clinically effective weight loss dose of tirzepatide, and you drink your protein shake, the simple fact is that now your body is LESS efficient at digesting that protein and therefore using that protein. Not to mention the anecdotes about protein shakes going rancid in your stomach from the slowed gastric emptying, leading to even worse "protein farts" than usual -- yuck.

When you're trying to build muscle, your muscles need nutrients and that requires food to pass from your stomach into your intestines where those nutrients can be absorbed into your system. If your stomach is full, or you're satiated/not hungry, or you're not eating, your body is just going to be worse at building muscle... which is fine, if your goal is losing weight! But then what are your AAS doing? Maybe they are marginally being better at nutrient partitioning the food you are digesting... Maybe they are helping you retain muscle through your deficit, but TRT will do all that just fine.

It's your call. But you can't get bigger and smaller at the same time.
I'm not trying to get bigger. I do cruise dose for the libido effects.

Now when I finish my cut, would you have concerns about a maintenance dose of Tirz affecting muscle growth? 2.5.. 2 IU type shit.
 

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It’s easier to just use Tirz then add gear after weight loss. I lost 45 pounds from July 24 to October 24. I got all the way down to 165 which is wild. Then I added gear in December and I’m at 190 and very low BF. Now I’m trying to decide which direction I want to take. Maintain or increase to 200. I’m older so the transformation is all the more astonishing to those who know me well.
 

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I'm not trying to get bigger. I do cruise dose for the libido effects.

Now when I finish my cut, would you have concerns about a maintenance dose of Tirz affecting muscle growth? 2.5.. 2 IU type shit.

I am actually not 100% sure if a maintenance dose is better or worse if you plan to start Tirz again on your next cut... I would assume that a low dose would be enough to help enter a moderate surplus without getting too fat in a bulk. When I transitioned to my winter bulk, I just dropped it cold turkey. I spent 20 weeks on 575 Test, 425 EQ, 6IU GH and didn't get fat no matter what I ate.

If you can eat enough calories on 2.5mg or whatever then I say give it a shot. The good thing about these meds is that if you don't experience sides they are generally super tolerable for long periods of time, as far as we know currently.
 

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I am actually not 100% sure if a maintenance dose is better or worse if you plan to start Tirz again on your next cut... I would assume that a low dose would be enough to help enter a moderate surplus without getting too fat in a bulk. When I transitioned to my winter bulk, I just dropped it cold turkey. I spent 20 weeks on 575 Test, 425 EQ, 6IU GH and didn't get fat no matter what I ate.

If you can eat enough calories on 2.5mg or whatever then I say give it a shot. The good thing about these meds is that if you don't experience sides they are generally super tolerable for long periods of time, as far as we know currently.
I switched to Reta once the weight was gone for maintenance. Works well for GH and BG control.
 

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I switched to Reta once the weight was gone for maintenance. Works well for GH and BG control.
How do you like the reta compared to tirz for the bg/insulin sensitivity?

I’ve been using 5mg tirz/week for the same purpose to counter the GH, and honestly I love tirz. All positives and 0 negatives. Keep hearing good things about Reta that makes me want to give it a try, but at the same time if I’m not having issues with tirz, might not be a good idea to just randomly switch?
 

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How do you like the reta compared to tirz for the bg/insulin sensitivity?

I’ve been using 5mg tirz/week for the same purpose to counter the GH, and honestly I love tirz. All positives and 0 negatives. Keep hearing good things about Reta that makes me want to give it a try, but at the same time if I’m not having issues with tirz, might not be a good idea to just randomly switch?
My opinion is Tirz is the better option for BG but it was making me feel lazy like anhedonia. Not fatigue but lack of motivation. Reta does the opposite for me. Plus it allows me to eat as little or as much as I want. On Tirz I was struggling to make any meaningful gains in the gym because eating just wasn’t much fun. I couldn’t eat much and I had no interest in food.
 

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My opinion is Tirz is the better option for BG but it was making me feel lazy like anhedonia. Not fatigue but lack of motivation. Reta does the opposite for me. Plus it allows me to eat as little or as much as I want. On Tirz I was struggling to make any meaningful gains in the gym because eating just wasn’t much fun. I couldn’t eat much and I had no interest in food.
Appreciate the insight. I can definitely see that holding true with tirz. Have like 0 urge for cheat meals and notice it is harder to gain weight for the reasons you mentioned.

Maybe I’ll give Reta a shot here soon. Maybe like 2.5mg a week or so?
 

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Now with that being said, you made an interesting point about digestion. I really haven't enjoyed working out much, if at all. Probably because of the deficit, but also maybe its harder to load my muscles up before a workout.

Whatever you do don't stop lifting
 

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Appreciate the insight. I can definitely see that holding true with tirz. Have like 0 urge for cheat meals and notice it is harder to gain weight for the reasons you mentioned.

Maybe I’ll give Reta a shot here soon. Maybe like 2.5mg a week or so?
When I made the switch I was at 7.5mg Tirz. I added 4mg Reta, then when I bumped Reta to 6mg I dropped Tirz completely. I’m now at 8mg Reta and have added 20-25 pounds or lean muscle so it’s not holding me back at all.
 

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Appreciate the insight. I can definitely see that holding true with tirz. Have like 0 urge for cheat meals and notice it is harder to gain weight for the reasons you mentioned.

Maybe I’ll give Reta a shot here soon. Maybe like 2.5mg a week or so?
I've been microdosing Opti reta at .3mg x3 M/W/F for a total of .9/week with 3iu of his old 17iu blue top GH per day and BG has been very stable. YMMV but this was the first GLP1 agonist I've ever used and it has made weight loss trivial even at this low dose. The anecdotal report from me is that the first week it completely cut out the appetite background noise I usually experience. For my taste it was even a bit extreme as I lost about 4 lbs right off the bat. It's tapered off fortunately and I'm now at 186 down from 194 three weeks ago. I'm still able to get good protein numbers through and enjoy food and I've had no sides whatsoever. I just don't wanna snack all the time. I can't imagine what I'd even do at 2.5mg tbh.
 

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Starting point matters a lot here. If you're at a really high bf% and are a novice lifter, recomp is a real thing and you can put on pretty significant LBM while losing weight. I wouldn't recommend blasting gear in this situation because of all the health risks that go along with it, but a TRTish dose, particularly if you're low in the range (and you likely are if you're at a high bf%) can do a lot, and the additional LBM you put on is going to add up on the fat loss side of things as you go through the process, too.

If you're already an experienced lifter and have run cycles before and just let yourself go because life got in the way or whatever, but you still have most of the muscle mass, have still been lifting, etc., recomp is a meme and you should just cut first while not worrying about adding muscle.

Gear isn't going to help you lose weight in any real way except indirectly. If you're in a position to add LBM, that LBM is more metabolically active than fat, and the more you add and longer you go the more that adds up. Nutrient partitioning and lipolysis from AAS and HGH can help with using fat for energy preferentially, but they don't overcome the second law of thermodynamics, and if you free up a bunch of fat for energy that doesn't get used, it just gets stored as fat again. But none of it is going to make a significant direct impact.

Either way you want to stick around TRT levels of gear, but in one situation you can reasonably expect to get bigger muscles and smaller on the scale, and the other you should just be trying to maintain the muscle you have while cutting fat.
 
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Starting point matters a lot here. If you're at a really high bf% and are a novice lifter, recomp is a real thing and you can put on pretty significant LBM while losing weight. I wouldn't recommend blasting gear in this situation because of all the health risks that go along with it, but a TRTish dose, particularly if you're low in the range (and you likely are if you're at a high bf%) can do a lot, and the additional LBM you put on is going to add up on the fat loss side of things as you go through the process, too.

If you're already an experienced lifter and have run cycles before and just let yourself go because life got in the way or whatever, but you still have most of the muscle mass, have still been lifting, etc., recomp is a meme and you should just cut first while not worrying about adding muscle.

Gear isn't going to help you lose weight in any real way except indirectly. If you're in a position to add LBM, that LBM is more metabolically active than fat, and the more you add and longer you go the more that adds up. Nutrient partitioning and lipolysis from AAS and HGH can help with using fat for energy preferentially, but they don't overcome the second law of thermodynamics, and if you free up a bunch of fat for energy that doesn't get used, it just gets stored as fat again. But none of it is going to make a significant direct impact.

Either way you want to stick around TRT levels of gear, but in one situation you can reasonably expect to get bigger muscles and smaller on the scale, and the other you should just be trying to maintain the muscle you have while cutting fat.
Yeah. Recomping wasn't really happening for me at 250 MG. To be clear, I'm somewhere between intermediate and advanced lifter.

And lets be clear about another thing - the indirect benefits of TRT on weight loss are HUGE.. Why did I avoid cutting when I was natty? Because I couldn't sleep, I had anxiety, stayed in bed all the time, depressed.. All types of shit. But on gear and Tirz.. I don't have any of that.


Now the unfortunate side of cutting on gear.. You have to cut lower. I look at pictures of myself at 20% bodyfat when I was natty.. I had a defined jawline and shit.

I'm closing in on 20% now, and I look like the fucking michilin man. Plus, Its just so much safer to stay sub 20% on gear because of estrogen BP etc. This is gear 101 shit right here though I'm preaching to the choir.
 

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Yeah. Recomping wasn't really happening for me at 250 MG. To be clear, I'm somewhere between intermediate and advanced lifter.

And lets be clear about another thing - the indirect benefits of TRT on weight loss are HUGE.. Why did I avoid cutting when I was natty? Because I couldn't sleep, I had anxiety, stayed in bed all the time, depressed.. All types of shit. But on gear and Tirz.. I don't have any of that.


Now the unfortunate side of cutting on gear.. You have to cut lower. I look at pictures of myself at 20% bodyfat when I was natty.. I had a defined jawline and shit.

I'm closing in on 20% now, and I look like the fucking michilin man. Plus, Its just so much safer to stay sub 20% on gear because of estrogen BP etc. This is gear 101 shit right here though I'm preaching to the choir.
How’d you determine you’re between intermediate and advanced? Whats the criteria?
 

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How’d you determine you’re between intermediate and advanced? Whats the criteria?

There could be an entire thread on this. Certainly can't be based on how long you've been lifting, cuz a lot of guys spend years just spinning wheels. No significant amount of time on any specific program.

Was it rhetorical or do you have a proposition?
 

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There could be an entire thread on this. Certainly can't be based on how long you've been lifting, cuz a lot of guys spend years just spinning wheels. No significant amount of time on any specific program.

Was it rhetorical or do you have a proposition?
It wasn’t rhetorical. I wanted to know what criteria he used in his determination. There’s not many advanced level lifters out there. Those guys have a hard time making additional progress. Recoverability is altered considerably.

Unless he meant “experienced” lifter meaning he’s been doing it for years.
 
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