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im back, 4 orals at once, low dose, insane pyramid cycle, please comment or ur gay

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Can't be personal if I DONT KNOW YOU dude lol you're a set of words on a screen and so am I.

Listen you started this off saying you've been out of it for two years and are only back in by two weeks. I'd be curious how your body would respond to any length of training and dieting according to your goals before you throw a bevy of orals through it. Have you considered making it even safer and brewing those orals into injectables? Aside from the var of course you could mitigate some of the proposed issues. Or not.
No I havent considered brewing those orals into injectables, that is a splendid idea. Ill look into that.
Also you got any idea on how much Primo I should add to my test cruise to ideally eliminate the need for a.i, if Im a high aromitizer?
At 175mg pharma test E weekly , im at 840 ngdl with 18.53 e2 from 6.25mg asin Eod. (obviously 18.53 is not my goal e2)
Im thinking to start with a 1:2 ratio because no way ill be good at 1:1.
 
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Have u run those compounds individually yet? U mentioned dropping easily if sides occur, but how will u know which one is causing what?

Granted I'm sure u will make gains on ur proposed idea just because those are all good compounds in general, but me personally not that it matters to u but I'd split that into a few runs 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off back n forth so u can get the full intended effect of each compound while staying on 150 test. Thats guna yield u the best gains IMO.

Also @Nandrolorian was just saying that because u mentioned being out of the gym for 2 whole years. If u were a friend of mine in real life I'd make sure u get back into the diet and training for at least 6 months before pushing it again. Ur mind may be ready to rock and roll but ur tendons and joints and everything in between may need to ease in without that extra push.
 

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No I havent considered brewing those orals into injectables, that is a splendid idea. Ill look into that.
Also you got any idea on how much Primo I should add to my test cruise to ideally eliminate the need for a.i, if Im a high aromitizer?
At 175mg pharma test E weekly , im at 840 ngdl with 18.53 e2 from 6.25mg asin Eod. (obviously 18.53 is not my goal e2)
Im thinking to start with a 1:2 ratio because no way ill be good at 1:1.
That I'm really not sure, I haven't messed around with primo just yet but I'll be curious to see what does the trick for you
 

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Have u run those compounds individually yet? U mentioned dropping easily if sides occur, but how will u know which one is causing what?

Granted I'm sure u will make gains on ur proposed idea just because those are all good compounds in general, but me personally not that it matters to u but I'd split that into a few runs 6-8 weeks on 6-8 weeks off back n forth so u can get the full intended effect of each compound while staying on 150 test. Thats guna yield u the best gains IMO.

Also @Nandrolorian was just saying that because u mentioned being out of the gym for 2 whole years. If u were a friend of mine in real life I'd make sure u get back into the diet and training for at least 6 months before pushing it again. Ur mind may be ready to rock and roll but ur tendons and joints and everything in between may need to ease in without that extra push.
yeah Ive used all the compounds except I dont really remember winstrol.
you have a point, I shouldnt rush, each compound individually is a low dose so I figured I was still taking it easy, maybe even running a low dosage of each compound individually with a short break inbetween may be easier on the body. I do however want to use anavar as much as I can because of the collagen benefits.

175mg test e weekly, dosed Eod
350mg primo e weekly, dosed EoD
20mg anavar daily PWO
20mg tbol daily PWO for the last couple weeks before I get off anavar.
(2IU omnitrope a.m if my IGF1 is still low over the next couple blood tests, it is currently 115 ngdl)
I dont know why my IGF 1 is so low, 2 years ago it was above 200 ngdl.

My diet which im open for criticism for

its mostly gluten and dairy free

A.M
6 hard boiled eggs
approx 0.75 cup of this coconut faux yogurt thats dairy free and has probiotics
250g blueberries
1 organic banana
1 cup granola no added sugar

16oz grapefruit juice Pre and intra workout

The rest of the day is basically snacking on rotissarie chicken and fruits. I might add in peanut butter and other nuts but Im trying to keep it simple to minimize acne and other symptoms people have from sensitivities to things like dairy gluten etc . So I figure I cant go wrong with chicken and eggs and fruit

250g portions of rotissarie chicken atleast 4x a day
500g coconut,
1or2 mangos,
1or 2 bananas
4 little potatoes
1 package of plaintain chips (fuckin easy 500kcal)

50to100mg zinc
 
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I will say I feel like the fruit is pretty quick acting compared to something like rice or sweet potato and might not sustain you. Add some greens in there so you don't go getting acidic ;). What are the goal macros and total caloric content and then what's your tdee? I know you were saying you were looking for slow gains so I don't expect 100% precision, more like a really good idea of what your macros and caloric content should be in respect to your tdee so you maximize mass and minimize the fat or possibility of it at least

Also what do you feel is the top end for anavar use? The collagen synthesis is a big deal for me
 

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I will say I feel like the fruit is pretty quick acting compared to something like rice or sweet potato and might not sustain you. Add some greens in there so you don't go getting acidic ;). What are the goal macros and total caloric content and then what's your tdee? I know you were saying you were looking for slow gains so I don't expect 100% precision, more like a really good idea of what your macros and caloric content should be in respect to your tdee so you maximize mass and minimize the fat or possibility of it at least

Also what do you feel is the top end for anavar use? The collagen synthesis is a big deal for me
yeah youre totally right, Id prefer sweet potatoes and theyd be a slower carb but i have fresh tropical fruits available for like 50 cents and i dont have to cook them.
this is my first time doing no gluten or dairy so im totally winging it. Like gains wise I should eat these 4 brownies with a liter of whole milk but instead im going to eat this granola coconut fruit bowl ive been eating for snacks this past week.
Idk what my TDEE is because my weight has fluctuated so much. but if you want the calculator answer its 3600kcal or with moderate exercise 3300kcal
I think ill just eat the meal plan I came up with and see how long I can sustain that and what not. Ill be able to put on muscle still without being optimized, so if it stalls out or I find some better things to add to it or the fruits just ruin me then ill adjust. The whole idea is ill get my muscle memory gains back no matter what, and this way i can try the no gluten and dairy thing without leaving gains on the table. Best case I grow into my old muscle lean, worst case i get blood sugar problems.

Ive done 100mg of raw ugl anavar a day for like 2 weeks at a time, workout endurance goes through the roof but I dont remember the body composition effects specifically.
I wouldnt go over 100mg, and this was because not too long ago the consesus was that anavar was weak and for women at that 50mg a day was minimum to be effective.
i did like 150mg for a couple days aswell , i really felt it then lmao
 
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Started 100mg yesterday, raw as well, we will see how it goes but yeah man just monitor how you feel and you'll adjust accordingly I'm sure.
 

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People run anavar all year (anecdotally) and don't end up fucked up,. Anadrol is prescribed for up to 6 months for patients requiring it. Winstrol is sometimes scripted for low dose usage every day for months. Oral toxicity is incredibly exaggerated, seems to stem from the shit products people consumed during the Prohormone days with garbage like DMZ and this-andro-number that-number-andro products. The four he's using are fine. If he was planning to mix Superdrol + Mtren + Halo + Cheque Drops I'd question his motives but he's picked 4 that are either known to be safe(r) orals or medically prescribed ones for longer terms than his cycle. Dude is fine.

Anecdotally: I buy all my orals in raw powder form and just run as long as I have em. Buy 5g of Var, run it at whatever dose I want until it's gone. Sometimes 25/day, sometimes 50, up to 100. Have stacked leftovers with new gear orders many times, meaning mixing the last couple weeks of one oral with another and having no issues. The worst sides I get are from AIs really, not even the anabolics. Been here since before Scorp got busted, still alive and healthy and fine. You're been here at least 4 years, don't act like you haven't tried some shit out before lol.
Those are reasonable and fair points JD. Clinical studies and application of both var and adrol are far longer than what's thought to be "safe" and at pretty damn high doses
 

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Those are reasonable and fair points JD. Clinical studies and application of both var and adrol are far longer than what's thought to be "safe" and at pretty damn high doses
I also remember seeing winstrol used at doses of 8mg-16mg for months at a time in medical applications IIRC adolescents without blood markers being out of range or not out of range enough to end it.
If anyone knows what im talking about please link.
var, adrol and winstrol are all medically studied, which in my mind means they are safe enough to run for months at a time at low dosages, because in medical applications they dont do 4 week cycles (except apparently winstrol when prescribed for hereditary angioedema)

I can get pharma test e, deca and omnitrope in my country. Along with Vet EQ and hopefully Vet Winstrol.
If I can get my hands on some Vet grade winstrol ill have to dilute it and microdose it, because im sure subq winstrol at any normal concentration is a terrible idea.
if i dose at 5-10mg and injected will def save my liver.


For oxymetholone​

  • For oral dosage form (tablets):
    • For treatment of certain types of anemia:
      • Adults, teenagers, children, and older infants—Dose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. The usual dose is 1 to 5 milligrams (mg) per kilogram (kg) (0.45 to 2.3 mg per pound) of body weight a day.
      • For stanozolol​

        • For oral dosage form (tablets):
          • To prevent hereditary angioedema, which causes swelling of the face, arms, legs, throat, windpipe, bowels, or sexual organs:
            • Adults and teenagers—At first, 2 milligrams (mg) three times a day to 4 mg four times a day for five days. Then, your doctor may slowly lower the dose to 2 mg once a day or once every other day.
            • For oxandrolon​

              • For oral dosage form (tablets):
                • For treatment in rebuilding tissue after a serious illness or injury:
                  • Adults and teenagers—2.5 milligrams (mg) two to four times a day for up to four weeks. Your doctor may increase your dose up to 20 mg a day.
                  • Children—Dose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. The usual dose is 0.25 mg per kilogram (kg) (0.11 mg per pound) of body weight a
                  • For nandrolone decanoate​

                    • For injection dosage form:
                      • For treatment of certain types of anemia:
                        • Women and girls 14 years of age and older—50 to 100 milligrams (mg) injected into a muscle every one to four weeks.
                        • Men and boys 14 years of age and older—50 to 200 mg injected into a muscle every one to four weeks.
                        • Children up to 2 years of age—Dose must be determined by your doctor.
                        • Children 2 to 13 years of age—25 to 50 mg injected into a muscle every three to four weeks.
                  • Your doctor may want to continue treatment for up to twelve weeks. After a four-week rest period without receiving this medicine, your doctor may want you to repeat the cycle.

                    For nandrolone phenpropionate​

                    • For injection dosage form:
                      • For treatment of certain breast cancers in women:
                        • Adults—25 to 100 milligrams (mg) injected into a muscle once a week for up to twelve weeks. After a four-week rest period without receiving this medicine, your doctor may want you to repeat the cycle.
                        • Children—Dose must be determined by your doctor.
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Take orals if you have a special occasion a month from now .. like going to fuck some girls ... a beach party... a contest to look extra good but other than that its not really worth the damage because the effects wear off partially soon after stopping them.
 

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maybe ill just run this
 

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it’s like we have all these cardiologists in the house with this lipid break down.

Something to keep in mind, changing your lipid profile for 9-10 weeks isn’t the end of the world. We know these are outside influenced results and not systemic. It’s when we have systemic issues or extreme long term use (6 months or longer for example) which then mimics systemic issues, that you should start worrying.

Reality is, changing your lipids for 9-10 weeks or slightly longer just isn’t going to have an effect on your health… assuming everything falls back in range once you stop! Stepping back and evaluating your results from the standpoint of… are these results indicative of an actual problem or are they simply influenced results is a good practice. Again though… length of time should be considered.
 

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Idk about the mtren, makes me go hypo if I haven't eaten enough
i was joking, ive never ran it, how was it for you compared to tren?
Ive been interested in injectable mtren for a long time because if I get acne on it, I can notice it sooner and drop it faster than Tren A.
Sdrol makes me super hypo but I think that just shows how effective the oral is and encourages me to eat more
 

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i was joking, ive never ran it, how was it for you compared to tren?
Ive been interested in injectable mtren for a long time because if I get acne on it, I can notice it sooner and drop it faster than Tren A.
Sdrol makes me super hypo but I think that just shows how effective the oral is and encourages me to eat more
The oral hits at 1mg, I haven't gone higher than that but I've got 100 tabs to play with, my sweet spot is 1mg injectable too. Good aggression, alien shoulders, can just keep fucking going in the gym but you gotta carb up right. I went hypo sweeping my kitchen. I took it as a pwo alongside 700mg tren ace. I imagine by itself it would be more potent in general.

I love Superdrol, but it hits me too hard to take the oral so I've got 10 vials of injectable Superdrol at 40mg/ml that should be here in a few days, I'm gonna finish this 4 weeks cycle of anadrol and then switch to the injectable sdrol. That's gonna be fun as fuck I feel.
 

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im gonna make this a kind of log for myself and anyone curious

In these past 3 weeks I have quickly gained enough of my muscle memory to feel good about myself in the gym and enjoy my workouts.
4 kilograms, I even lost fat.

I pyramided up to 30mg anavar these past couple weeks, anavar is great, my androgen receptors have really upregulated from a high cruise these past couple years as I feel this mild amount of gear is more powerful than i remember.

I got some tbol but I got wicked BP and HR spikes if I go above 10mg, its crazy how sensitive I am to it, especially considering I already take a beta blocker. +20 systolic and +20 HR from 1 day of 20mg. Ive been taking 5mg on top of the anavar just because. I think i can feel a little tiny something at this dose. im dissapointed because I felt a lot from only 20mg tbol on top of the 30mg anavar.

Ive had some acne lately and its because I no longer use Test U and my injections arent frequent enough to be stable on Test E
Ive been messing with my test and asin dosages as a result, as i actually want to find my 800ngdl dose instead of running around 1200ngdl like ive been forever
, I cant get pins smaller than 21 gauge unless theyre slin pins, and trying to pin .1ml-.2ml in a 3CC syringe is impossible, plus pinning ED or Eod with 21 guage just cant be good for ya
so I decided im going to switch to DAILY SUBQ pharma test E adminstration with a .5inch slin pin to the belly fat
Ill do .1ml everyday, except for 1 day per week, If I want to raise my test, Ill do the injection 7 days per week , If I want to lower the test, Ill remove a day and do .1ml 5 days per week.

with this stability, I am hoping to have reduced my estrogen conversion and keep my e2 as stable as possible, I am currently taking 6.25mg asin twice per week, however it would be really awesome and beneficial for estrogen control to use primo to keep my TRT estrogen under control.
This would provide super stable estrogen inhibition, give me an excuse for more gear and the potential of collagen benefits if you guys believe that stuff about primo.
Once my SUBQ test levels are stable in a couple weeks, and under control with some as needed aromasin, Ill get bloodwork, confirm im at the range I want to be, frontload maybe 500mg primo and begin 250mg week primo with my 150test e dosage. I aromatise alot, so i wouldnt be surprised if I need 400mg primo to get my e2 to 30. If that is the case, im not sure that its worth $40 a week. with my current source. If I am able to stock up with a large international shipment to bring it down then it could be.

I just got my bloodwork back, my HDL is 22 and my LDL is 110.
ALT and AST are in 20s and thats with acetominophen usage.
my IGF is 115. This is the second reading Ive had in the low 100s. This could explain my energy levels, mood and shitty looking skin thats ive been attributing to test/e2 being out of whack.
My IGF may be low due to sleep apnea, I have already contacted a doctor to point me in the right direction of where to buy a resmed autoset CPAP machine in my country.
Regardless I want to supplement my IGF1 levels anyway, as sleep apnea may not even be the cause of the low levels.
Im going to start 10mg of MK677 at night.
The reason I am choosing to use mk677 as opposed to omniitrope is
1. cost
2. Im not looking for above range IGF 1 levels at the moment

If mk677 brings me to 200ngdl, thats a win and id have saved a ton of money , so i think in my case it makes a lot of sense to try mk677 first.

Once my subq test experiment is stable I will add primo and then try winstrol.
I tried 10mg of winstrol once in the past few weeks, because my e2 was all over the place (or atleast I thtink it wass) im not sure if it was the winstrol of the e2 that made me break out
but i want to give it another shot when I can totally confirm it when evrerything is stable.

My next compounds added once my TRT, IGF and lipids are sorted will be
1. 25mg anadrol 10mg anavar 5mg tbol (10-20mg Winstrol instead of anadrol if I determine it doesnt give me acne)
2. 1IU Lantus increasing by 1IU every 3 days, to finish at 10IU at day 30. (im not running lantus soley because of mk677 but it will help control the insulin resistance some people underestimate)
3. A.Injectabe Sdrol,
B. 70mg per week Tren A (I have had the worst acne ever on 700mg tren a, obviously a high dose, so Id be super cautious and even 70mg would give good results for sure)
C.?????? anything too androgenic gives me acne, also if my estrogen is in the 40s I get acne so dbol is off the table. This is why i want to use insuilin and hgh and using threshold dosages of orals to get the most out of low dosages.

Looking like
145mg test e
200mg primo e (4 cOllAgen)
25mg adrol 10mg anavar weeks 1-8
10mg mk677 weeks 1-12
1-10IU lantus weeks 4-8
metformin weeks 8-12

Champange stack????
145mg test e
400mg primo e
20mg anavar 5mg tbol 2.5mg winstrol
10mg mk677
5IU lantus

145mg test e
25mg -37.5mg-50mg-75mg adrol
1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8
3IU HGH A.M
10MG mk677 PM
10IU lantus
 

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Whats up, I havent been here in a minute.

Ive been out of the gym and on a cruise for the past 2 years, and I started working out 2 weeks ago and currently growing into my muscle memory gains as we speak.

Most injectables Ive used give me awful sides, and im at the age and experience of not trying to put on huge gains, just an added bonus to my TRT to make super slow gains and to make workouts more enjoyable.
my problem is,
-Tren gives me nasty acne, (Ive never tried low dose like 50-100mg tren e but I had such a bad experience at higher doses Im terrifed to try)
-Deca makes me insane, (Ive done up to a gram, i fully believe its a pregnancy hormone which is not good for a man to have for his mental health)
-Test, Im not a fan of the aromitization and I dont think the higher doses give me good gains.


Now I know what most of you are thinking, add "Low dose anavar" "50-100mg deca", or "add like 400mg Primo"
-Anavar im gonna run, im a big believer in it.
-Deca, I have access to pharma that comes in 50mg amps, ive been considering it because of the magic strength of pharma gear, It sounds ideal because I do love Deca joints, fullness and happiness in the beginning, but honestly even at 50mg, having to run it for like 6 months makes me worried Id slowly slip into some mental sides that will take forever to get out of, if I ever realize it.
-Primo is too expensive, Id want to run like a gram of that shit and that would be like $160 a month, which I can afford.. but fuck it better be good..
Definately considering it... I guess the only way to find out is to try it myself, I dont trust everyone else to not be placebo.d by internet forums and youtube.


So this leads me to orals, Im a fan of orals due to being able to drop them quickly if I get any sides, and theyre just plain fun.

Im a big believer nowadays in pyramiding cycles, both to give your body time to upregulate receptors and the fact the body gets used to and develops a tolerence for anything you give it.

Heres my plan, i have raw anavar, tbol, winstrol and adrol.
Base is 150mg pharma testosterone enanthate per week, ejected Eod which brings me to 1300 ng/dl and 6.25mg pharma asin EoD which brings me to 22 ng/dl e2.

week 1 10mg anavar 10mg tbol
week 2 10mg anavar 20mg tbol 5mg adrol
week 3 15mg anavar 30mg tbol 10mg adrol
week 4 20mg anavar 40mg tbol 15mg adrol
week 5 20mg anavar 50mg tbol 20mg adrol
week 6 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 25mg adrol 5mg winstrol
week 7 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 30mg adrol 7.5mg winstrol
week 8 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 35mg adrol 10mg winstrol
week 9 20mg anavar 30mg tbol 40mg adrol 15mg winstrol
run it! post your bloodwork and show your liver lipid values and ill post mine and we can see? im curious as to how "blown out of proportion" it really is. im on liver support rn for clen and t3. before my next blast im coming off the t3 and clen, might at anadrol to kick start the eq and tren but im going to run sulforaphane to the diet and see if my lipid values are better or worse. i know it wont be 1:1 because the tren but should still be interesting to see.
 

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im gonna make this a kind of log for myself and anyone curious

In these past 3 weeks I have quickly gained enough of my muscle memory to feel good about myself in the gym and enjoy my workouts.
4 kilograms, I even lost fat.

I pyramided up to 30mg anavar these past couple weeks, anavar is great, my androgen receptors have really upregulated from a high cruise these past couple years as I feel this mild amount of gear is more powerful than i remember.

I got some tbol but I got wicked BP and HR spikes if I go above 10mg, its crazy how sensitive I am to it, especially considering I already take a beta blocker. +20 systolic and +20 HR from 1 day of 20mg. Ive been taking 5mg on top of the anavar just because. I think i can feel a little tiny something at this dose. im dissapointed because I felt a lot from only 20mg tbol on top of the 30mg anavar.

Ive had some acne lately and its because I no longer use Test U and my injections arent frequent enough to be stable on Test E
Ive been messing with my test and asin dosages as a result, as i actually want to find my 800ngdl dose instead of running around 1200ngdl like ive been forever
, I cant get pins smaller than 21 gauge unless theyre slin pins, and trying to pin .1ml-.2ml in a 3CC syringe is impossible, plus pinning ED or Eod with 21 guage just cant be good for ya
so I decided im going to switch to DAILY SUBQ pharma test E adminstration with a .5inch slin pin to the belly fat
Ill do .1ml everyday, except for 1 day per week, If I want to raise my test, Ill do the injection 7 days per week , If I want to lower the test, Ill remove a day and do .1ml 5 days per week.

with this stability, I am hoping to have reduced my estrogen conversion and keep my e2 as stable as possible, I am currently taking 6.25mg asin twice per week, however it would be really awesome and beneficial for estrogen control to use primo to keep my TRT estrogen under control.
This would provide super stable estrogen inhibition, give me an excuse for more gear and the potential of collagen benefits if you guys believe that stuff about primo.
Once my SUBQ test levels are stable in a couple weeks, and under control with some as needed aromasin, Ill get bloodwork, confirm im at the range I want to be, frontload maybe 500mg primo and begin 250mg week primo with my 150test e dosage. I aromatise alot, so i wouldnt be surprised if I need 400mg primo to get my e2 to 30. If that is the case, im not sure that its worth $40 a week. with my current source. If I am able to stock up with a large international shipment to bring it down then it could be.

I just got my bloodwork back, my HDL is 22 and my LDL is 110.
ALT and AST are in 20s and thats with acetominophen usage.
my IGF is 115. This is the second reading Ive had in the low 100s. This could explain my energy levels, mood and shitty looking skin thats ive been attributing to test/e2 being out of whack.
My IGF may be low due to sleep apnea, I have already contacted a doctor to point me in the right direction of where to buy a resmed autoset CPAP machine in my country.
Regardless I want to supplement my IGF1 levels anyway, as sleep apnea may not even be the cause of the low levels.
Im going to start 10mg of MK677 at night.
The reason I am choosing to use mk677 as opposed to omniitrope is
1. cost
2. Im not looking for above range IGF 1 levels at the moment

If mk677 brings me to 200ngdl, thats a win and id have saved a ton of money , so i think in my case it makes a lot of sense to try mk677 first.

Once my subq test experiment is stable I will add primo and then try winstrol.
I tried 10mg of winstrol once in the past few weeks, because my e2 was all over the place (or atleast I thtink it wass) im not sure if it was the winstrol of the e2 that made me break out
but i want to give it another shot when I can totally confirm it when evrerything is stable.

My next compounds added once my TRT, IGF and lipids are sorted will be
1. 25mg anadrol 10mg anavar 5mg tbol (10-20mg Winstrol instead of anadrol if I determine it doesnt give me acne)
2. 1IU Lantus increasing by 1IU every 3 days, to finish at 10IU at day 30. (im not running lantus soley because of mk677 but it will help control the insulin resistance some people underestimate)
3. A.Injectabe Sdrol,
B. 70mg per week Tren A (I have had the worst acne ever on 700mg tren a, obviously a high dose, so Id be super cautious and even 70mg would give good results for sure)
C.?????? anything too androgenic gives me acne, also if my estrogen is in the 40s I get acne so dbol is off the table. This is why i want to use insuilin and hgh and using threshold dosages of orals to get the most out of low dosages.

Looking like
145mg test e
200mg primo e (4 cOllAgen)
25mg adrol 10mg anavar weeks 1-8
10mg mk677 weeks 1-12
1-10IU lantus weeks 4-8
metformin weeks 8-12

Champange stack????
145mg test e
400mg primo e
20mg anavar 5mg tbol 2.5mg winstrol
10mg mk677
5IU lantus

145mg test e
25mg -37.5mg-50mg-75mg adrol
1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8
3IU HGH A.M
10MG mk677 PM
10IU lantus
explain the lantus and metformin? are you eating enough to warrant running either or both or are you trying to use it for performance or just give the beta cells a break? seems like without gh and possibly high gear high carbs you dont need it?

i only question to learn more reasons to run it.

why lantus AND metformin? i thought lantus was better than metformin, i know they react differently in the body and have two different ways of stopping b.g.
 

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explain the lantus and metformin? are you eating enough to warrant running either or both or are you trying to use it for performance or just give the beta cells a break? seems like without gh and possibly high gear high carbs you dont need it?

i only question to learn more reasons to run it.

why lantus AND metformin? i thought lantus was better than metformin, i know they react differently in the body and have two different ways of stopping b.g.
I didnt mean to imply id run them together, after a month of lantus id use metformin instead
i dont really believe in requiring high GH for insulin, Im starting at 1IU lantus to increase slowly so I can see how it works, 5,6,7 Iu lantus isnt alot but will be better than without it and potentially no sides
 

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I didnt mean to imply id run them together, after a month of lantus id use metformin instead
i dont really believe in requiring high GH for insulin, Im starting at 1IU lantus to increase slowly so I can see how it works, 5,6,7 Iu lantus isnt alot but will be better than without it and potentially no sides
so this is your first slin run?
im interested in slin but dont see how long acting compares to short acting from an anabolic point? can you explain?
 
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