im back, 4 orals at once, low dose, insane pyramid cycle, please comment or ur gay

[dudebro73]

Whats up, I havent been here in a minute.

Ive been out of the gym and on a cruise for the past 2 years, and I started working out 2 weeks ago and currently growing into my muscle memory gains as we speak.

Most injectables Ive used give me awful sides, and im at the age and experience of not trying to put on huge gains, just an added bonus to my TRT to make super slow gains and to make workouts more enjoyable.
my problem is,
-Tren gives me nasty acne, (Ive never tried low dose like 50-100mg tren e but I had such a bad experience at higher doses Im terrifed to try)
-Deca makes me insane, (Ive done up to a gram, i fully believe its a pregnancy hormone which is not good for a man to have for his mental health)
-Test, Im not a fan of the aromitization and I dont think the higher doses give me good gains.


Now I know what most of you are thinking, add "Low dose anavar" "50-100mg deca", or "add like 400mg Primo"
-Anavar im gonna run, im a big believer in it.
-Deca, I have access to pharma that comes in 50mg amps, ive been considering it because of the magic strength of pharma gear, It sounds ideal because I do love Deca joints, fullness and happiness in the beginning, but honestly even at 50mg, having to run it for like 6 months makes me worried Id slowly slip into some mental sides that will take forever to get out of, if I ever realize it.
-Primo is too expensive, Id want to run like a gram of that shit and that would be like $160 a month, which I can afford.. but fuck it better be good..
Definately considering it... I guess the only way to find out is to try it myself, I dont trust everyone else to not be placebo.d by internet forums and youtube.


So this leads me to orals, Im a fan of orals due to being able to drop them quickly if I get any sides, and theyre just plain fun.

Im a big believer nowadays in pyramiding cycles, both to give your body time to upregulate receptors and the fact the body gets used to and develops a tolerence for anything you give it.

Heres my plan, i have raw anavar, tbol, winstrol and adrol.
Base is 150mg pharma testosterone enanthate per week, ejected Eod which brings me to 1300 ng/dl and 6.25mg pharma asin EoD which brings me to 22 ng/dl e2.

week 1 10mg anavar 10mg tbol
week 2 10mg anavar 20mg tbol 5mg adrol
week 3 15mg anavar 30mg tbol 10mg adrol
week 4 20mg anavar 40mg tbol 15mg adrol
week 5 20mg anavar 50mg tbol 20mg adrol
week 6 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 25mg adrol 5mg winstrol
week 7 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 30mg adrol 7.5mg winstrol
week 8 20mg anavar 20mg tbol 35mg adrol 10mg winstrol
week 9 20mg anavar 30mg tbol 40mg adrol 15mg winstrol

I've been using just as long and was a member during the reddit days of sst. It's something i've thought of doing in the past for preoworkout+test base as I've got older.

so 150 test base check but i'd keep it simpler and look for a dht and an anabolic and then double it 4 weeks with an split am/pm dosing of both, i'd doubt there's any practical benefit micromanaging dose increases in any event. 5days on 2 off could be helpful.
winstrol 25+Anadrol 25
anavar 20 to 30 + Tbol 20 to 30 (OR Dbol 25mg if you don't aromatize heavily on it).

That's about 50mg daily and 100 after week 4.

AI's on hand before and of course bloodwork checked to see how you're holding up halfway through. Then *starting* from when your lipids return and enzymes return to normal take an additional 9 weeks off.

Really if your over 40 I wouldn't play with orals at all, 17 alpha-alkylates are the worst for cholesterol and winstrol especially is an artery murdering fuck. Blasting & cruising with Trestolone + Primo would be my pick or Trest + Anavar (cycled) or Proviron (continual). Trest+EQ is what I'm going to try for B&C next (no DHT's as my prostate is enlarged) with cialis. I'll add 25mg Proviron if sex drive tanks though and see how the prostate handles that.

Good luck.

 

[Bando]

I’m the opposite. Oils are the only game in town for me. Make me feel like a thoroughbred. And I keep the gains from most of them for years.

Orals break out my skin. Give me a toxic, lethargic feeling and just make me generally unhealthy feeling. The pumps from most orals are debilitating and ruin my workouts. I equate oral steroids to temporary bloat pills. Sure you can get huge and swollen for a few weeks. But all that swollen puff will be gone a month after quitting.

I do like anavar and halo but that’s it.

 

[DHT]

I've been using just as long and was a member during the reddit days of sst. It's something i've thought of doing in the past for preoworkout+test base as I've got older.

so 150 test base check but i'd keep it simpler and look for a dht and an anabolic and then double it 4 weeks with an split am/pm dosing of both, i'd doubt there's any practical benefit micromanaging dose increases in any event. 5days on 2 off could be helpful.
winstrol 25+Anadrol 25
anavar 20 to 30 + Tbol 20 to 30 (OR Dbol 25mg if you don't aromatize heavily on it).

That's about 50mg daily and 100 after week 4.

AI's on hand before and of course bloodwork checked to see how you're holding up halfway through. Then *starting* from when your lipids return and enzymes return to normal take an additional 9 weeks off.

Really if your over 40 I wouldn't play with orals at all, 17 alpha-alkylates are the worst for cholesterol and winstrol especially is an artery murdering fuck. Blasting & cruising with Trestolone + Primo would be my pick or Trest + Anavar (cycled) or Proviron (continual). Trest+EQ is what I'm going to try for B&C next (no DHT's as my prostate is enlarged) with cialis. I'll add 25mg Proviron if sex drive tanks though and see how the prostate handles that.

Good luck.

im 30, i take ezetimibe 10mg to reduce cholesterol absorption, ive heard good things about it being super affordable, having no sides and improving cholesterol.
I stopped taking winstrol because on only 10mg, it immediately made me break out all over my face like tren does.
My problem is im sensitive to DHT AND i aromotise alot. I had my nipple glands removed (apparently not all of it) and my estrogen being at just 41 caused slight swelling and gyno formation.
Right now the only gear Ive found I can tolerate is anadrol, superdrol and anavar.
I might experiment with higher aromitising cycles with primo in the future, right now I can get my estrogen checked as often as I want for almost nothing.
175mg test and 200mg primo e had me at perfect 23ngdl e2. so maybe Ill just keep that ratio and increase the doses incrementally and end up at like 700mg test and 800mg primo haha

 

[dudebro73]

im 30, i take ezetimibe 10mg to reduce cholesterol absorption, ive heard good things about it being super affordable, having no sides and improving cholesterol.
I stopped taking winstrol because on only 10mg, it immediately made me break out all over my face like tren does.
My problem is im sensitive to DHT AND i aromotise alot. I had my nipple glands removed (apparently not all of it) and my estrogen being at just 41 caused slight swelling and gyno formation.
Right now the only gear Ive found I can tolerate is anadrol, superdrol and anavar.
I might experiment with higher aromitising cycles with primo in the future, right now I can get my estrogen checked as often as I want for almost nothing.
175mg test and 200mg primo e had me at perfect 23ngdl e2. so maybe Ill just keep that ratio and increase the doses incrementally and end up at like 700mg test and 800mg primo haha

Not a bad plan. EQ may be helpful if you aromatise, EQ controls my estrogen well between 1.5 and 2:1 ratios of Test C : EQ ( or bold cyp).

Another idea is a Test trt base for cruising and add 600mg DHB + 40-60mg Anavar (split am/pm) for blasting. GL.

 

[DHT]

Not a bad plan. EQ may be helpful if you aromatise, EQ controls my estrogen well between 1.5 and 2:1 ratios of Test C : EQ ( or bold cyp).

Another idea is a Test trt base for cruising and add 600mg DHB + 40-60mg Anavar (split am/pm) for blasting. GL.

yeah i was considering it but im worried about the nephrotoxicity of EQ.
Im gonna order some Trest Ace , even though i aromotise a ton, ive heard its highly individual so if i already aromitise a lot on test, it might not be that much worse on trest, plus it doesnt convert to dht so it might help with acne sides. Ill probably start with like 5mg per day, maybe try 10mg for awhile with some primo like 300-500.

my shoulder seems to be almost healed, i think i pulled a muscle near my scapula, so im glad its not a rotator tendon. Im back in the gym at like 50% capacity for now. Just doing 37.5mg anadrol on training days with trt test. test dropped from 0.1ml per day (175mg per week) to .09ml per day, to reduce estrogen slightly from 41 until primo e arrives.

 

[DHT]

so I was doing 5mg resovostatin every other day, 5 doses in I did chest and shoulders and got really sore (expected because I havent done chest in 6 weeks bc of the shoulder injury)
well pretty sure i gave myself a mild or moderate case of rhabdo, because my kidneys hurt for 3 days and it looked like there was more material in my urine than usual.
I only did about 8 sets of chest and sets of shoulders but I think the resovostatin, even though it was a very low dose, sent my kidneys over the edge.

I got bloodwork 3 days in and my liver enzymes are around 28 where they always are, my hdl is still crashed at 19 from the anavar, however my LDL went from 170 to 70 in less than a month.
So I think how quickly my ldl changed is an indicfation of how potent just 5mg resovostatin was to me.
I get my creatnine kinease results tomorrow on advice from a doctor, but i shouldve just got creatnine because he ended up telling me that creatnine kinease is to diagnose rhabdo and creatnine is a better indication of kidney health, so im like wtf dude i dont need to prove I had rhabdo, I need to see if my kidneys are OK because I got rhabdo in the first place.

going back in the gym today or tomorrow, starting off slower. discontinued the statin. Gonna do 25mg-50mg anadrol until I get my hands on trest and primo
I havent been able to find etzimbe to replace the statin with yet, i can only find pills with etzimbe combined with another statin

test was around 500 and estrogen was 48... I can understand the test being low because I missed some doses and was taking 0.08ml test per day instead of 0.10 to reduce estrogen, but i dont know why my estrogen is just as high as it was when my test was 850ngdl. Im injecting subq, might have something to do with injection site or scar tissue? or maybe the primo i was taking awhile ago was still affecting me when my test was 850 and e2 was 48 and now i get no estrogen reduction.

kinda annoyed that at this point, about 8 weeks out of the gym, i lost 50% of what I gained. in 3 months. However im sure 25% of that ill get in 2 weeks from glyocgen and the rest in 3 weeks because I lost it so recently.

I not as stressed about it as I used to be, I think because my androgen receptors have upregulated over the years so the gear just works better, and Ive gained and lost so many times it gets easier every time i bounce back. For example I gained a whole new thick vein on my calf, my teardrop is looking legit and my abs look the best they ever have without even training them directly, all from just 3 months of working out and of using 50%-75% less gear than I have in the past.

 

[tanten10]

i think you are an arrogant guinea pig that loves drugs after reading this thread . Just another bostin loyd . oh look your kidneys are fucking up ? that’s ironic as fuk bruh.

My 2 cent … stop with this insane protocol of endless shit and go back to the basics . i’m talking square one, as far as your weird broscience protocols. There’s just like a LOT of overthinking and changes , what you’re doing is always going to yo yo back on you and you’re gonna continue to lose and gain until you train harder, eat better and take wayyyy less shit .

 

[DHT]

i think you are an arrogant guinea pig that loves drugs after reading this thread . Just another bostin loyd . oh look your kidneys are fucking up ? that’s ironic as fuk bruh.

My 2 cent … stop with this insane protocol of endless shit and go back to the basics . i’m talking square one, as far as your weird broscience protocols. There’s just like a LOT of overthinking and changes , what you’re doing is always going to yo yo back on you and you’re gonna continue to lose and gain until you train harder, eat better and take wayyyy less shit .

my kidneys hurt after not taking anything for a month, being off cycle for over 2 years, taking 6 weeks of anavar and anadrol 2 months ago at dosages less than begginners, yeah that is ironic. Its a side effect of a statin, which is what I took because I actually get bloodwork and monitor my health. I also share my experiences for other people to learn because im honest and not insecure.

Im a ginea pig and as wreckless as bostin llyod because In 2 years i took trt test and did orals for 6 weeks? No, in your head you want me to be doing everything wrong, so you feel better about yourself. so you project all the negative things onto a strangers post on the internet, because youre deeply insecure about yourself

blah blah blah eat train, im superior to you ij ust wanna talk shit and oversimplify your post yada yada yada

literally the same comment all over the internet, beause nowadays no one posts their physique, so the next best thing is for losers to imply others dont train hard as hard as them or have any discpline and are wreckless with their dosages.. its just shows your character because you WANT to make comments like these just to feel better about yourself, its very transparent. you WANT to think everyone else is lazy and eats mcdonalds all day and takes 1G of tren a week so you can feel better about yourself, because youre so insecure you dont want to think people could be as discplined or MORE discplined than you.

these types of comments came around 4 years ago when all these non athlete/competitor types got spoonfeed steroid info from youtube videos and wanted to be jacked for instagram. if you start taking gear because of social media, i dont value your input because the things you do are to convince yourself youre better than other people and have huge personality flaws, especially americans.

it reeks of insecurity and toxicity, no other explaination for being so rude because a stranger might take a higher dose than you.

All these like 16-24 year old kids watch 100 more plates more dates videos and memorize the steroid subreddit, then parrot all this info like they know something, and take all the toxicity and spread it around like the steroid user enforcers. i typed all this out and just realized im replying to someone who made their account a week ago and this proves my point

now I have some 20 year old in college who has been in the gym since freshmen year who has been on the fence about his first steroid cycle, lecturing me about diet and training lol. they see all those youtube personalities harp about diet and training to their audience of begginners and then these begginners go around parroting it like theyre doing the right thing because their BFF on youtube makes all these videos about it.

 

[tanten10]

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my kidneys hurt after not taking anything for a month, being off cycle for over 2 years, taking 6 weeks of anavar and anadrol 2 months ago at dosages less than begginners, yeah that is ironic. Its a side effect of a statin, which is what I took because I actually get bloodwork and monitor my health. I also share my experiences for other people to learn because im honest and not insecure.

Im a ginea pig and as wreckless as bostin llyod because In 2 years i took trt test and did orals for 6 weeks? No, in your head you want me to be doing everything wrong, so you feel better about yourself. so you project all the negative things onto a strangers post on the internet, because youre deeply insecure about yourself

blah blah blah eat train, im superior to you ij ust wanna talk shit and oversimplify your post yada yada yada

literally the same comment all over the internet, beause nowadays no one posts their physique, so the next best thing is for losers to imply others dont train hard as hard as them or have any discpline and are wreckless with their dosages.. its just shows your character because you WANT to make comments like these just to feel better about yourself, its very transparent. you WANT to think everyone else is lazy and eats mcdonalds all day and takes 1G of tren a week so you can feel better about yourself, because youre so insecure you dont want to think people could be as discplined or MORE discplined than you.

these types of comments came around 4 years ago when all these non athlete/competitor types got spoonfeed steroid info from youtube videos and wanted to be jacked for instagram. if you start taking gear because of social media, i dont value your input because the things you do are to convince yourself youre better than other people and have huge personality flaws, especially americans.

it reeks of insecurity and toxicity, no other explaination for being so rude because a stranger might take a higher dose than you.

All these like 16-24 year old kids watch 100 more plates more dates videos and memorize the steroid subreddit, then parrot all this info like they know something, and take all the toxicity and spread it around like the steroid user enforcers. i typed all this out and just realized im replying to someone who made their account a week ago and this proves my point

now I have some 20 year old in college who has been in the gym since freshmen year who has been on the fence about his first steroid cycle, lecturing me about diet and training lol. they see all those youtube personalities harp about diet and training to their audience of begginners and then these begginners go around parroting it like theyre doing the right thing because their BFF on youtube makes all these videos about it.

wow, i read about the first 4 sentences but that insecure essay you just wrote, yea i’m not gonna waste my time .. feminine af

 

[Gbunk]

so I was doing 5mg resovostatin every other day, 5 doses in I did chest and shoulders and got really sore (expected because I havent done chest in 6 weeks bc of the shoulder injury)
well pretty sure i gave myself a mild or moderate case of rhabdo, because my kidneys hurt for 3 days and it looked like there was more material in my urine than usual.
I only did about 8 sets of chest and sets of shoulders but I think the resovostatin, even though it was a very low dose, sent my kidneys over the edge.

I got bloodwork 3 days in and my liver enzymes are around 28 where they always are, my hdl is still crashed at 19 from the anavar, however my LDL went from 170 to 70 in less than a month.
So I think how quickly my ldl changed is an indicfation of how potent just 5mg resovostatin was to me.
I get my creatnine kinease results tomorrow on advice from a doctor, but i shouldve just got creatnine because he ended up telling me that creatnine kinease is to diagnose rhabdo and creatnine is a better indication of kidney health, so im like wtf dude i dont need to prove I had rhabdo, I need to see if my kidneys are OK because I got rhabdo in the first place.

going back in the gym today or tomorrow, starting off slower. discontinued the statin. Gonna do 25mg-50mg anadrol until I get my hands on trest and primo
I havent been able to find etzimbe to replace the statin with yet, i can only find pills with etzimbe combined with another statin

test was around 500 and estrogen was 48... I can understand the test being low because I missed some doses and was taking 0.08ml test per day instead of 0.10 to reduce estrogen, but i dont know why my estrogen is just as high as it was when my test was 850ngdl. Im injecting subq, might have something to do with injection site or scar tissue? or maybe the primo i was taking awhile ago was still affecting me when my test was 850 and e2 was 48 and now i get no estrogen reduction.

kinda annoyed that at this point, about 8 weeks out of the gym, i lost 50% of what I gained. in 3 months. However im sure 25% of that ill get in 2 weeks from glyocgen and the rest in 3 weeks because I lost it so recently.

I not as stressed about it as I used to be, I think because my androgen receptors have upregulated over the years so the gear just works better, and Ive gained and lost so many times it gets easier every time i bounce back. For example I gained a whole new thick vein on my calf, my teardrop is looking legit and my abs look the best they ever have without even training them directly, all from just 3 months of working out and of using 50%-75% less gear than I have in the past.

Remember when I told you months ago you would “nuke your lipids” and you laughed? Even if you can use a statin, I’ve heard that those are not great for you and it clearly looks that way from your post. I hate to say I told you so but you are proving everyone right who tried to warn you from the get go. I’m not going to flame you but I’m just throwing that out there.

 

[tanten10]

this dudes a clown , we’ve all been there , extremely tempting to think up some cool new non cookie cutter protocol and believe it’s gonna be your secret to getting jacked. when in reality , you just spin your wheels over and over. Kid needs to take moderate test only cycle , dial in the AI , lift and stfu and all his problems and extra shit would go away cuz he’s not running 5 diff toxic compounds, getting sides then throwing even more drugs on the matter to compensate for sides, it’s just retarded