Maximum temperature Test-E Raws can take?

[MrAnabolic94]

I recently got test-E Raws and there’s moisture in the raws. To get rid of the moisture I’ve been putting the raws alone in a beaker and putting it on a hot plate till the raws melt and are basically boiling. I take them off soon after and that seems to remove all the moisture, then I mix all the other stuff like Bb/ BA / carrier oil, then finish mixing and filter.

My question is… am I ruining the test by heating the Raws that much? I haven’t found any other way to remove the moisture from the raws.

 

[Synergy Forge]

yes, they do start to degrade because the heat increases activity and will start to break covalent bonds. It won’t hurt you, but you will lose some efficacy. How much? That is completely dependent on the two variables of heat and time. You could effectively see a total degradation of 50% if it were at it’s flash point for 5 solid minutes. Hope that helps,
Syn

 

[system]

@Synergy-Forge What temperature would degradation begin to occur at? Is there any concern of damaging a finished product via candle warmer? I occasionally leave my vials for a solid 30 minutes and the glass ends up too hot to hold for a minute or two. Just wanna make sure I’m not doing any harm to my product. Apologies for posting this in your thread, OP!

 

[MikeAlstott]

@kingofcarbz I just asked this same question to @Colonial-Labs – he said that as long as the oil isn’t boiling or close to boiling then it should be fine. He said Tren is a bit more sensitive though.

Damn dude, 30 minutes is a long time haha. I think I usually do around 5-10 minutes, maybe like 15 if I forget or something.

 

[system]

@MikeAlstott

Definitely not boiling and no tren for a while now (very good to know it’s more sensitive tho) so I’m probably good. Yeah, I usually throw ‘em in on the warmer before I shower and sometimes get side tracked/start food after or something. Never realized the heat was high enough to potentially cause any damage until now lol. Thanks for the info amigo

 

[Synergy Forge]

@kingofcarbz my guess is that if the top wasn’t sealed on that vial then you would easily have a state change after 30 minutes. Meaning you would have reached the flashpoint where it starts to smoke as it oxidizes. However that smoke point is increased in that closed environment. So chances are you’re doing more harm than good. I have not come across any research or raw data to quantify the heat, all I have to go off of is my experiment where I used a vial of test and subject it to the microwave for 30 seconds, as well as a separate vial that was heated. When compared to the control vial I was able to determine that the microwaved vial had an insignificant amount of loss. The vial that was heated in the oven which reached an internal temperature of 400° had a 7% loss. The variables for my experiment were heat and time. My conclusion was that the length of time is perhaps, the biggest factor for degradation. While the experiment wasn’t flawless and certainly won’t make its way into any peer reviewed journal, it sufficed for my needs. As an added benefit I was able to determine that electromagnetic radiation in the form of microwaves does not substantially impact the active ingredient when used in short bursts.
Syn

 

[system]

@Synergy-Forge said in Maximum temperature Test-E Raws can take?:

asn’t sealed on that vial then you would easily have a state change after 30 minutes. Meaning you would have reached the flashpoint where it starts to smoke as it oxidizes. However that smoke point is increased in that closed environment. So chances are you’re doing more harm than good. I have not come across any research or raw data to quantify the heat,

Thank you for all of this information, it helps tremendously and I’ll be sure to leave it on the heat for a shorter duration going forward.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@kingofcarbz @Synergy-Forge wait so, is it perhaps better to microwave the vials for a few seconds at a time in order to warm them up as opposed to heating them up on a candle warmer for 5-10 minutes? maybe I’m paranoid, but I always feel like I’m not getting the full potency after heating the vials up. Makes me want to say screw it and just stop heating the vials up altogether.

 

[system]

fuck the microwave idc if i sound like a hippy that shit freaks me out, ive seen what it does to food… ill shoot winter cold gear before i throw my vials in the wave

 

[MikeAlstott]

@kingofcarbz I hear you. Sometimes you gotta think about it like this though: what would Karl do in this situation? And then you just do the exact opposite of him. Just my 2cents.

 

[Synergy Forge]

@MikeAlstott By my estimation they are the same. Time and temperature are the destructive forces here, both cause degradation at different levels but when combined it increases exponentially. The candle uses lower temps but takes longer and the microwave heats it much faster but with lower times. SO 6 in one hand and half dozen in the other. The micro is preferred when you are trying to hide it from kids, or spouse or parents/inlaws. When you only have 30 seconds of alone time. If you can warm it slowly you can control heat and stop it from getting too hot, which is difficult to do in a micro.

SYn

 

[system]

@MrAnabolic94 said in /404:

I recently got test-E Raws and there’s moisture in the raws. To get rid of the moisture I’ve been putting the raws alone in a beaker and putting it on a hot plate till the raws melt and are basically boiling. I take them off soon after and that seems to remove all the moisture, then I mix all the other stuff like Bb/ BA / carrier oil, then finish mixing and filter.

My question is… am I ruining the test by heating the Raws that much? I haven’t found any other way to remove the moisture from the raws.

The only way I have every known to get rid of moisture, which should never be in your raws (they should be vacuum sealed to prevent that), is to get it 212 degrees to get the water out.

But on a side note, you don’t need heat at all to brew test e.

 

[system]

@kingofcarbz said in Maximum temperature Test-E Raws can take?:

fuck the microwave idc if i sound like a hippy that shit freaks me out, ive seen what it does to food… ill shoot winter cold gear before i throw my vials in the wave

People put steroids in the microwave? This is why I don’t read the forums lol

 

[CerealHobbiest]

@MikeAlstott fucking karl

 

[Rickwrack777]

Sorry to bump an old thread but I feel that this is very relevant and well justified..... I believe I've finally found it.

Testosterone sterilization protocol for Medisca and compounding pharmacies is 160°C or 320°F for 120 minutes. This is the company's protocol for sterilizing finished product in cottonseed oil. It doesn't specify ester (cypionate or enanthate), it just says "Testosterone 100mg/mL for intramuscular injection"

I ran across this information because I'm looking for a way to sterilize finished oil that is already in vials. Not crimped, just in the vial with rubber stopper resting on top (to relieve pressure from temperature increase).

@Synergy Forge if you're intersted in this info I can email you the pdf

 

[SHA-Athletics]

It is highly unlikely you will degrade test e what so ever on the hot/ stir plate.. let alone a candle warmer.

 

[Rickwrack777]

It is highly unlikely you will degrade test e what so ever on the hot/ stir plate.. let alone a candle warmer.

Right. But do you know what temperature it actually breaks down at? Some hot plates can reach 500/600 degrees Fahrenheit

 

[SHA-Athletics]

Right. But do you know what temperature it actually breaks down at? Some hot plates can reach 500/600 degrees Fahrenheit

This isn't something I have actually spent money on degradation testing for because there is no reason for you to heat test e to anywhere close to 600F. Throwing numbers around without data to back it is just that though.

Cold brew it as much as possible and forget about it.

 

[Rickwrack777]

This isn't something I have actually spent money on degradation testing for because there is no reason for you to heat test e to anywhere close to 600F. Throwing numbers around without data to back it is just that though.

Cold brew it as much as possible and forget about it.

True. There's a big difference between a candlewarmer and 600°F lol.
I believe Synergy Forge did some testing and said he had a vial that reached 400°F and had a 7% loss. So if the sterilization procedure is 320°F for 2 hours, and Syn had a little loss at 400°F, my guess would be flashpoint is probably somewhere around 400°F. Might be useful info for someone reading this in the future

 

[ThinBulk]

I've done 250f for an hour or two multiple times with zero noticeable degradation, but no testing.

250 is fine to sterilize and boil off moisture if you have an hour to wait. If your gear is already mixed, remember BA boils at 401f. You could run into big sterility problems if you unintentionally boil off the BA.