[OFFICIAL] Old Guys Thread

[petefox]

Is anyone in the 40+ crowd have any takes on injectable prewo, such as how it impacted your bloodwork and how you felt compared to oral aas? I've stuck to only anavar for the past several years for my liver's sake. But really tempted to give muscle candy's sweet prewo (30mg test base/30mg tren base/1mg mtren) a shot at .3cc dosing before heavy compound lift days. Or even injectable dbol, which was my favorite oral for the pump and euphoria.

I've used plenty of test/tren base PWO injectables, not sure if they'd show on labs since they clear stupidly quick.

I've used CL's mix similar to the MuscleCandy product and it's pretty intense; felt aggressive and focused and weights just moved when I touched them. Methyltrienolone does this alone oral or injectable (oral can make you nauseous at times) but with test/tren base it seems to be smoother and less PsychoBoy than by itself.

Never used injectable Dbol so can't help there.

 

[mmaphd]

What do you guys take for sleep? I’ve been using melatonin for years but looking into something else to help. Anybody use a sleep inducing peptide?

I freaking hate melatonin and refuse to use it.
I'm in a weed legal state, so a 10mg gummy 1 hour before bed makes me sleep all night. Alternatively, I have an Rx for Lunesta (generic). Works like a charm. Wake up in 8 hours, feel refreshed.

 

[MachuFuku]

What do you guys take for sleep? I’ve been using melatonin for years but looking into something else to help. Anybody use a sleep inducing peptide?

Sooo...I get 4 to 5 hours. Max. Frankly, I need to see a sleep doctor. The big plus for not sleeping well is I'm in the gym 5 days a week at 5:00 a.m.. I currently take 10 to 15 mg of melatonin. Couple different types of Magnesium, Often a THC/CBD edible. Ashgwanda and L-theanine have not helped
much. The occasional shot of NyQuil seems pretty effective to add another hour or so.

 

[Harbenger]

I think I might be the oldest here. 62 - can I join?

 

[MachuFuku]

I think I might be the oldest here. 62 - can I join?

Yes sir. Young or old. Just a place where we can bust chops and discuss issues specific to fitness, bodybuilding, PEDS, through the lense of a more "mature" athlete...lol.

 

[BJJ_blackbelch]

Fellas wondering if anyone else is like me... or if this is normal.

My HCT has always been on the high side. After all these years I've found that 53-56 is where i feel the best. I see my doc twice a year for TRT and obviously any doc would freak out if they say an HCT of 56 So i donate about twice a year. The problem is everytime i donate i feel like shit for about two weeks until i get back to about 50..

All my bloodwork is always normal, my doc appointments are literally 5 min long lol all he ever really says is my labs look perfect

 

[EpicFlash]

Is anyone in the 40+ crowd have any takes on injectable prewo, such as how it impacted your bloodwork and how you felt compared to oral aas? I've stuck to only anavar for the past several years for my liver's sake. But really tempted to give muscle candy's sweet prewo (30mg test base/30mg tren base/1mg mtren) a shot at .3cc dosing before heavy compound lift days. Or even injectable dbol, which was my favorite oral for the pump and euphoria.

Have used several PWOs before. Let me try to answer this politically correct.
We are all in the 3rd trimester of our lives on this thread(40s and above) and many years of training and supplements…. Do we really need a PWO to motivate us or get us pumped for a gym session? Are we really going to discover Pandora’s box for that 2 hr window that PWO might offer us on any given day(s) in the gym as a way to stimulate new growth?
Even if so, is that tiny little advantage (or impetus to grow/train) worth the heath risk of getting taken out of the gym on a stretcher and having our blood work out there for anyone to see? (This last bit was tongue in cheek)
TNE about an hour before gym gave me a slight edge and of all of them would be the only one I would ever use again……but nothing that I couldn’t have manifested with some decent caffeine and mental effort.
Hope this helps

 

[Ateam2024]

I'm 50 but a new member can i join the old guy club?

 

[MachuFuku]

I'm 50 but a new member can i join the old guy club?

Yes Sir. Any age really. I just wanted to put a spot together where a few of us who are approaching this game in a more tempered manner could ban together and find solutions and support.

 

[MachuFuku]

Have used several PWOs before. Let me try to answer this politically correct.
We are all in the 3rd trimester of our lives on this thread(40s and above) and many years of training and supplements…. Do we really need a PWO to motivate us or get us pumped for a gym session? Are we really going to discover Pandora’s box for that 2 hr window that PWO might offer us on any given day(s) in the gym as a way to stimulate new growth?
Even if so, is that tiny little advantage (or impetus to grow/train) worth the heath risk of getting taken out of the gym on a stretcher and having our blood work out there for anyone to see? (This last bit was tongue in cheek)
TNE about an hour before gym gave me a slight edge and of all of them would be the only one I would ever use again……but nothing that I couldn’t have manifested with some decent caffeine and mental effort.
Hope this helps

Yep....thinking the jaw breaker PWO is not going to be necessary (or smart LOL)

 

[MachuFuku]

Fellas wondering if anyone else is like me... or if this is normal.

My HCT has always been on the high side. After all these years I've found that 53-56 is where i feel the best. I see my doc twice a year for TRT and obviously any doc would freak out if they say an HCT of 56 So i donate about twice a year. The problem is everytime i donate i feel like shit for about two weeks until i get back to about 50..

All my bloodwork is always normal, my doc appointments are literally 5 min long lol all he ever really says is my labs look perfect

I always have held the thought process that if something makes you feel like shit, it probabl is not something you should be doing. I have been seeing some conflicting data recently that unless your HCT is pegged, it is not really a problem provided you are staying well hydrated. Are you taking anything else to reduce the risk of DVT?

 

[BJJ_blackbelch]

I always have held the thought process that if something makes you feel like shit, it probabl is not something you should be doing. I have been seeing some conflicting data recently that unless your HCT is pegged, it is not really a problem provided you are staying well hydrated. Are you taking anything else to reduce the risk of DVT?

I agree with you. I keep up with Anbaolic Doc in YouTube he’s great for older folks in AAS and he says the same thing, lots of conflicted data on HCT. I believe in one of the videos he says he’s never heard of someone getting a blood clot due to elevated hct that caused by TRT but don’t quote me on that lol…. I just started taking Telmisartan this week

 

[BJJ_blackbelch]

Anybody experience low libido on primo? I’m on 3rd week of 180 test / 100 primo and everything is great, feeling good, workouts are good BUT I have no libido, no thoughts of sex and hard to keep an erection. Problems literally started just this week but have gotten worse.

Can’t get bloods because I’m out of town for another week. Anybody have any tips? Thanks in advance!

 

[MachuFuku]

Anybody experience low libido on primo? I’m on 3rd week of 180 test / 100 primo and everything is great, feeling good, workouts are good BUT I have no libido, no thoughts of sex and hard to keep an erection. Problems literally started just this week but have gotten worse.

Can’t get bloods because I’m out of town for another week. Anybody have any tips? Thanks in advance!

What was your estradiol before adding the primo? That's a really low dose but you might have crashed your estrogen?

 

[-WG-]

Anybody experience low libido on primo? I’m on 3rd week of 180 test / 100 primo and everything is great, feeling good, workouts are good BUT I have no libido, no thoughts of sex and hard to keep an erection. Problems literally started just this week but have gotten worse.

Can’t get bloods because I’m out of town for another week. Anybody have any tips? Thanks in advance!

I would bump test up. I really like Victor Black's approach to be honest.
Run test as high as you can tolerate as an individual with no AI or DHT blocking. "Most" people this ends up around 250-300. Then you can play with the DHT derivitive a bit.

You might end up doing/feeling better at like 250-300 test, and like sub 100mg primo.

 

[-WG-]

What was your estradiol before adding the primo? That's a really low dose but you might have crashed your estrogen?

E2 is probably going to be on the low side on this Test: primo ratio. It isn't really "crashing" it per-say as primo isn't directly lowering it. But definitely why I would run test higher, and pull back on the primo in hopes to get more e2 conversion and possibly even DHT.

I was doing 160:80 for a while as my "trt+" and e2 was like 10-15 most of the time.

 

[MachuFuku]

E2 is probably going to be on the low side on this Test: primo ratio. It isn't really "crashing" it per-say as primo isn't directly lowering it. But definitely why I would run test higher, and pull back on the primo in hopes to get more e2 conversion and possibly even DHT.

I was doing 160:80 for a while as my "trt+" and e2 was like 10-15 most of the time.

That is my guess. Bumping your Test up to 180 and adding Primo likely dropped your E2 to the bottom of the range.. Add some Test or drop the primo?

 

[BJJ_blackbelch]

What was your estradiol before adding the primo? That's a really low dose but you might have crashed your estrogen?

E2 was 38 on 300mg test only.. dropped the test to 180 and added 100 primo

 

[BJJ_blackbelch]

That is my guess. Bumping your Test up to 180 and adding Primo likely dropped your E2 to the bottom of the range.. Add some Test or drop the primo?

Thanks guys I think I’m going to bump test to 250 and see how I feel… but it definitely feels like low e2 to me..

 

[MachuFuku]

Thanks guys I think I’m going to bump test to 250 and see how I feel… but it definitely feels like low e2 to me..

A lil extra test a day keeps your libido in play!