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PPL can't be PURE

falseprophet09

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So @CaptainAmerica @EnhancedGrappler

It seems like PPL has check out of the conversation, which I feel is completely unprofessional and shady as fuck. Could you guys at least make them respond to these results so we can see what their excuse is not to do what they said they would?
 
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EnhancedGrappler

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@falseprophet09 We’re not going to try to strongarm a source to come speak to you here. Similarly, we would never try to force you to speak with a source you don’t want to speak to.

To reiterate, it doesn’t seem that you have any case for claiming to have been scammed or anything of the sort. If I’m following correctly, you ordered Test C raws from PPL, you brewed them incorrectly and were unimpressed with your bloodwork. That was the catalyst for your original complaint, right? You then inquired with someone at PPL and you expressed that you felt the raws were of poor quality and said you were going to get the raws tested to which you were told “go ahead and test them”.

You were never told “if you get these raws tested with Janoshik the fees will be reimbursed”, is that correct? I have seen multiple times that PPL prefers his customers use a different testing service. You’ll have to forgive me because it’s difficult to find myself “siding with the source” but if you went out and tested your raws on your own volition, where does the expectation of covered fees come from? We have many sources here that offer that but it is by no means a rule, nor could it ever be.

The raws came back 96%+, not 96%. As you have had explained to you by people more familiar with the chemistry than I am, there is a margin of error when testing a product with HPLC. @Janoshik may be able to explain more should you inquire with him, but depending on on wavelength (?) or spectrum (?) applied, products that test 80% by one more precise method may test 99%+ pure with another method. This is a nuance specific to HPLC testing/chemistry that is relatively beyond my grasp, but it has to be understood at least at a tertiary level.

One 96%+ HPLC test does not a bunk product make.

As an aside, I do have to point out that this has not been a tactful approach whatsoever. There is significant name-calling and vitriol that would make anyone uninterested in assisting. Why? From a customer service standpoint there is a lot less motivation to compensate you when you’re so actively hostile. This situation would be a bit different if you were more clearly taken advantage of in some way, but it really doesn’t seem like the case.

If this situation were different, if you had been told you would be compensated for performing lab testing on the product with Janoshik, I would look to hold PPL accountable for that promise. If 96%+ purity somehow made the product unusable, I would look to hold PPL accountable. But the reality is that it seems you were sent a fine product and you absorbed additional costs at your own volition and feel that it’s someone else’s fault.

By all means you’re reviewing your customer service experience and it stands as record that you’re unhappy with the service, but this is simply does not resemble a scam, it does not resemble you having been taken advantage of, and it does not appear that the source owes you anything at all. Any compensation would really seem to be good will on their part.

There’s a chance I’m still misunderstanding the situation and I’m open to correction wherever you see fit.
 
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falseprophet09

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It’s not the I was scammed, it is how I was treated by PPL rep that drove me to be suspicious of their product. As I stated many times, I wanted nothing from anyone, until I put my money in. PPL rep insulted me many times, even stating my statuses were dramatic, and that I have no grounds at all. Plenty of others here see how they spoke to me was unprofessional, which angered me and drove me to be more suspicious. Again, I’ve written several times I didn’t anything and would walk away.

He also said that he would reimburse my raws did not come back 99% claim. He did not specify that he rejects Janoshik’s testing because it is inaccurate or whatever, nor that he wouldn’t reimburse me if I went through Jano, only that they recommend Lab4tox. The last thing he said was “go ahead and test it,” which seems to me the deal still stands. If he had said, “if you do not go to Lab4tox, you won’t get shit!” then I wouldn’t have wasted my time or money.

Despite all this, now the rep isn’t even chiming in ever since the testing, which I find strange. Why is he not returning to the thread saying anything, as he should since he’s a rep? It is obvious they are ignoring me now, which is unprofessional. I’m not asking you to strongarm anyone, but to a least hold them accountable in someway, by at least having them respond publicly to this matter now that all the details are out.

Do you not find it unprofessional and strange that he stopped responding to this, after I got the test back? This is not how you treat a paying customer, nor how you would retain one, either.
 
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EnhancedGrappler

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falseprophet09 said:
It’s not the I was scammed, it is how I was treated by PPL rep that drove me to be suspicious of their product. As I stated many times, I wanted nothing from anyone, until I put my money in. PPL rep insulted me many times, even stating my statuses were dramatic, and that I have no grounds at all. Plenty of others here see how they spoke to me was unprofessional, which angered me and drove me to be more suspicious. Again, I’ve written several times I didn’t anything and would walk away.

He also said that he would reimburse my raws did not come back 99% claim. He did not specify that he rejects Janoshik’s testing because it is inaccurate or whatever, nor that he wouldn’t reimburse me if I went through Jano, only that they recommend Lab4tox. The last thing he said was “go ahead and test it,” which seems to me the deal still stands. If he had said, “if you do not go to Lab4tox, you won’t get shit!” then I wouldn’t have wasted my time or money.

Despite all this, now the rep isn’t even chiming in ever since the testing, which I find strange. Why is he not returning to the thread saying anything, as he should since he’s a rep? It is obvious they are ignoring me now, which is unprofessional. I’m not asking you to strongarm anyone, but to a least hold them accountable in someway, by at least having them respond publicly to this matter now that all the details are out.

Do you not find it unprofessional and strange that he stopped responding to this, after I got the test back? This is not how you treat a paying customer, nor how you would retain one, either.
If you’re asking whether I would personally handle it differently, the answer is yes. If I were in either of your positions I would handle the situation differently. That being said what this amounts to is a customer service review, from where I stand. It’s not the place of the Admin team to force a source to come respond to you.
 
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Lionhart72

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@JazzHmp
Howd did this situation turn out for you bro.
I just brewed Sustanon 250, and NPP and test enenthate raw powders from purplepandalabs everything seemed okay after reading your post here got me a little worried?
 
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Lionhart72

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Maybe I’m missing something but blood tests aren’t always the way to know if your gear is legit … get the shit tested and if it’s bunk or underdosed I’m sure ppl will gladly fix it for you …until then eat sleep train and repeat lol … time will tell for sure if you diet and training are on point. And by then if your not happy then find another source that fits your program. This lifestyle is not easy and good sources need good customers and visa versa … it’s all gonna be alright yall !
 
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falseprophet09

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Ironically after all this, I have another order from PPL on the way. I’m currently running a Deca only cycle, and I brewed it correctly, and everything is great. I probably lost more oil from my cyp brew, lowering it’s concentration because of the dysfunctional pump/cap. This time I did my deca manually and only lost like 2ml of oil.

Again, my main beef was with @purplepandaRep; I felt he was being very unprofessional, but I’m sure were both got frustrated as we are both human. It does suck he didn’t respond again, not even to tell me to fuck off after the results, but that does not reflect the purity of the raws. I learned they all basically come from the same place, so essentially, they should all be similar in purity. Spending my money proved me wrong, and @Liska explained the purity of @Janoshik test is essentially the same as PPL’s previous testing, via interpretation.

I have PTSD from two tours in Iraq, so I’m always thinking the worst case scenario when things go wrong. In fact, I would like @EnhancedGrappler just simply erase this entire thread. I don’t want others to get worried over it, and I paid the price (literally) for my ignorance.

But PPL is good to go, so I’d like this entire thread to be removed if possible.
 
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Lionhart72

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@falseprophet09
Im sure the there are no hard feelings…it’s just business and it will be alright one way or another. Im glad it worked out for you. Just make sure your brew is on point and And everything is don’t correctly and enjoy journey Bro … I just finished a batch of PPL raws and did my first shot of it this morning. Npp and sustanon… I’m confident it will all be up to par… if I don’t feel like I’m getting results I want …them I’ll look at what I’m doing as far as diet training and exhaust ever thing I can do on MY part … if that’s not it then I will get geat tested from a legitimate testing source and of shot is off I can them go to the source which is PPL with Proof and I’m absolute sure just their good reputation they will fix it. But I’m not at all worried about this now … I’m love eating and training and doin Gear so I’m gonna Get what I need oneway or another lol … Thanks PPL for the stealth service and I’m gonna enjoy MY journey. 😉
 
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Liska

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@falseprophet09 Not to trigger you but I’ve seen a variance in Deca purity of >10% in the past year, and your assumption that all raws basically come from the same place is incorrect, as a few other compounds have varied by >10% purity (usually mid to high 80’s to mid to high 90’s) between factories as well. EQ, Deca, Trestolone Ace, Testosterone C & U & Sustanon (for ratio) are some I would always test the raws of. Haven’t seen bad results for Test E & P, Tren E & A, Primobolan, NPP, Mast E & P that I can remember but testing neither raws nor finished gear is not something I would or could ever recommend.
 
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