PPL can't be PURE

[falseprophet09]

I’ve been running 480mg Test Cyp and 660 Primo—which I brewed from PPL raws—and my bloodwork came back 1783 TOTAL TEST, which is a joke.

Strangely, my FREE TEST came back 1084.6, but this must be an error from the lab as it makes no sense. Regardless, the reason why these raws can’t be as pure as claimed, is the fact a mere 200mg of Cyp from my doctor increases my Total Test to 1495 alone! I brought this up to them and this is what their response was:

***"Hello Sir,

So I’ve checked this with Panda, and below was the reply.

The hydrolysis of esters is carried out by the PDE7B gene, depending on the allele of the gene you can get a difference up to 3.5 times the test levels.

Depending on the muscles you inject before taking the bloodwork the levels also change according to the clinical literature.

Also depending on the viscosity of the carrier oil that you use you can get up to a 50% difference on your test levels.

Also we should add that your pinning schedule also changes the test levels.

Finally i want to point out that the increase on the test levels does not follow a linear graphic, 2x a quantity does not equal to 2x the levels you had with half of the quantity.

Taking into account all of that… measuring the quality using bloodwork is not the best way of doing it, the only way is to test the purity via HPLC, and my factory HPLC are completely on point.

Best regards

Melody"***

I will break down this nonsense of excuses.

1. My “genes” are not the issue, because I have taken Rx Cypionate from my doctor at 200mg per week, 100mg Mon and Thurs and got HIGHER compared to the brewed test.
2. The carrier oil I used is MCT, and being that I’m MONTHS into my cycle, my levels are stable and not going to be drastically bouncing around.
3. I pin M, W, F, so again, nonsense.
4. Of course it is not linear, however, these levels are absolute garbage: I am taking 1140g of TOTAL gear, and its barely higher than 200mg of pharm grade test.
5. Testing powders doesn’t mean much, especially when it is obvious these so-called HPCL companies seem to have the same copy-paste lab results which can easily be manipulated however they want. I’ve heard people send in OIL alone, and these companies said there was stuff inside. There is no way to prove these testing companies are legit; the ONLY way to know what is real is actually your blood.

So yea, it is obvious to me PPL isn’t selling the purity it claims, or that its recent batches are trash, but it certainly isn’t MY fault, or some dumb excuse about genetics.

And here is my blood work:

https://ibb.co/RyFcKXL
https://ibb.co/zbJ6XXk (shows test here)

 

[JazzHmp]

@falseprophet09 Regarding your point about testing being useless… If you go off the chinese raw testing PPL has listed on his site, I agree with you. But, send it off to a 3rd party (Jano) and you will get accurate testing.

He tests unlabeled oils and raws and provides the correct compound + dosage results.

Btw, that’ll definitely be more accurate than going off bloods. Bloods are great testing and you might be onto something here if you get a higher reading off 200mg, but sending the raws into Jano for testing will confirm or deny your claims.

 

[system]

@falseprophet09 Seems you may be on to something. Bloodwork is good and bad. You pin 5 days prior, your gonna get low levels, if you pin the day before your gonna get high levels…… What I don’t get. The gear is obviously legit, you don’t deny that. Just under dosed is what your claiming. A gram of raws is .96 cent I think. So a bottle of 250mg/mL is $2.50. Why under dose it to save a DOLLER. I don’t believe they undosed it purposely.

BUT they have raw testing, so either I’m wrong and they did under dose it, or the raw testing is fake like you 2 were implying, don’t know, use @azteca @synergyforge or @colonial-labs and avoid all the hassle.

 

[falseprophet09]

@JazzHmp Well hasn’t PPL disparaged Jano, which itself is suspect.

Also, I’ve also seen other disparage Jano. Again, it is easy to make a business just saying you verified shit. In fact, one forum sent Jano oil and it came back positive of gear lol.

 

[falseprophet09]

@nswole1 Yes. I’m not saying its FAKE, but I either toss everything or I double everything.

The other stuff I got from him was “Deca” and Tren E. I put “Deca” in quotes because it came in as a liquid, which is how EQ usually comes . It is even on his website that EQ is always a liquid, yet “Melody” said because it was summer at the time, it could liquify.

So if I were to brew this and think I’m taking Deca, I may get anxiety if its EQ. This was another red flag, but I just went along with it.

The Tren E looks like Tren, but again, if the Test is low, why would the Tren be perfect?

The Primo was the most expensive, but I asked Dave Palumbo and he said if your primo is legit, it won’t show up as TOTAL TEST, which I don’t get…

Now, my FREE TEST was insanely high at 1084.6, which must be an error, of if that’s what Primo does?

The entire reason I wanted raws was to get my hands on real primo without spending thousands.

 

[JazzHmp]

@falseprophet09 I believe there was an issue with jano a few years ago, but even Meso has accepted him as the standard now after having a perfect track record since that incident. I’ve personally tested a couple items unlabeled and they came back near the dosage they’re supposed to be. One was a pharmaceutical compound.

I don’t see how he would be incapable of giving correct results if he’s able to get the dosage and compound right for unlabeled items.

And deca does get melted and sticky in warm temperatures.

I think his primo has been tested several times blindly and come back good (even from sources who use PPL raws). I saw a picture of primo raws (ive never bought them) but they should look like fish scales.

 

[falseprophet09]

Here is another thing: My blood pressure was normal at my check up, which was the same day I took the bloods. I see the Primo working, as my body is changing; I’m not bloated or anything, and I have virtually no side effects, but the question is, is it at 660mg and why isn’t is showing up on TOTAL TEST?

In regards to the latter question, I’ve asked two others about it and they said only Test shows up on Total Test, but Primo will raise FREE TEST by “as it might raise free testosterone by displacing testosterone on the SHBGs,” according to Dave Palumbo when I emailed him.

But if that is the case, how is my Free Test 1084.6? Free Test is a % of Total, so then my Total should be like 10k lol. Something is wrong here.

Also, I have to say I did screw up my homebrew by overdosing the Primo 220mg per vial, and under-dosing the Cyp 160mg per vial. But even so, this is solely a dilution issue, not of potency; the raw powder measurements were precise, the only issue was when I brewed the gear, the media vials markers were not accurate for either. I had to draw all oils out and manually put them, one by one with 10g needle, into 10ml vials. Primo only came out to be 40ml— (220mg per cc, which probably should have crashed but didn’t—and Test came out to be 60ml!—160mg per cc.

I ensured every drop of oil was put in vials, and not a single ounce of product remained in the filter. I take 1cc of each 3x a week, so it is irrelevant. Even if someone argued that my test was 100 mg per shot, i’d still be getting 300mg a week, and that’s without Primo. So this is clearly a raws issue.

 

[system]

@falseprophet09
Where’s the proof of this? How about you send something to him. WITH NO LABEL. And see what happens… if it “got lost in shopping” you know he’s fake… if not. Your good to go. See what happens.

 

[system]

@falseprophet09
Deca is liquid… you lost me
OH LOL. Forgot you got raws… idk how any of that works, just using logic on my end. Not experience

 

[Forthewin1123]

You gotta do some more research… I’ve seen this a few time were the total is off but tje free is sky high… and it has to do with the primo… dht compound… so your conversion is off …
Basically what I’m saying with your dose of the test and primo …your bloods are great…
Free test is rarely this high… normally you would habe more total rest and less free… so the numbers are correct bit your conversions are different because of the primo/test…

I may not be explaining this clearly but I swear I’ve seen this several times and ots been explained similar to how I’m explaining it…

 

[falseprophet09]

@nswole1 I just saw it on a board, which was old, that’s all I’m saying. If he is good to.

 

[falseprophet09]

@Forthewin1123 I’ve been researching for the past two days now to see what and how this is even possible.

But suppose the Primo doesn’t even register as total test, the cyp is still weak as hell compared to pharm grade.

Dave Palumbo is the only person who responded that Primo could do this.

My one friend who is an IFFB pro said it must be a lab error.

 

[falseprophet09]

BTW, if there anyone you guys know in this board that is an expert in bloods, tag them in this so they can break this TOTAL vs FREE mystery for me.

 

[Forthewin1123]

@falseprophet09 I’m gonna try and find the few blood works that this is very similar too… I’m not saying yoir wromg or ppl is good…
I’m just saying that I believe I’ve seen this before and the reason was to do woth tje conversion of tje hormones… I could be wrong… it just looks very familiar…

 

[falseprophet09]

Well I’m hoping at least the Primo is real as fk lol; it was the most expensive.

 

[Forthewin1123]

@falseprophet09 what was your shbg in your vlood work… this could be the culprit too… you can’t claim much without a full picture and vloodwork is really almost impossible to claim purity of raws…

Lots of ugl labs use ppl for raws…

 

[falseprophet09]

@Forthewin1123 i attached two pics on my first post, not sure they did that test being it was a annual

 

[Forthewin1123]

Free test is better then total test… your tot is not super low and I’ve seen bloodwork woth it this high.many times… go look mesos blood work sectiom… if free test is high total has to be low…

 

[falseprophet09]

Well according to Palumbo, the only test that builds tissue is free test, which is unbound.

It must be the primo then? Because when I did have levels of 1495 on just Rx Cyp, my free test was only 299.5

 

[Forthewin1123]

@falseprophet09 I’m not 100%… are you done running the primo and test? Sucsk because ppl want even reimburse for the testing at all… I’d like to see the test .tested… because if it is bad… you deserve compensation and who knows who else has bad test…
But it seems hard to assume the test is bad because I habe heard.of low quality test raws in a long time…especially test cyp…