falseprophet09
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I’m not done running it, I have about a month left. The Primo powder is all gone, but I have about 10 grams left of the Test powder, and 10grams each of the Deca and Tren E.
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PPL can't be PURE
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purplepandaRep
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Blood work is hard to determine anything. One persons results can be entirely different from another. With that being said, I am fairly certain like most derivatives of the testosterone molecule. All anabolics/androgenic compounds are derived from testosterone for which the testosterone hormone is synthesized from Yams and Soybeans. All derivatives will probably not add to your test levels because they act in a different manner and pathway.
Your best indicators of derivatives would be liver enzymes markers, RBC’s, hematocrit/hemoglobin, and estradiol.
But again that still will not determine much because your results can be quite different from mine. For example the same HGH batch can yield different IGF levels due to the metabolic rate of breakdown in your liver and how your body reacts to and determines how to utilize the hormone.
This is why we have IFBB pro’s and average Joe’s. Not saying the average Joe cannot look like an IFBB pro but most likely genetics will determine this and that includes all metabolic activity.
The hydrolysis of esters is carried out by the PDE7B gene, depending on the allele of the gene you can get a difference up to 3.5 times the test levels.
Depending on the muscles you inject before taking the bloodwork the levels also change according to the clinical literature.
Also depending on the viscosity of the carrier oil that you use you can get up to a 50% difference on your test levels.
Also we should add that your pinning schedule also changes the test levels.
Finally i want to point out that the increase on the test levels does not follow a linear graphic, 2x a quantity does not equal to 2x the levels you had with half of the quantity.
Taking into account all of that… measuring the quality using bloodwork is not the best way of doing it, the only way is to test the purity via HPLC, and my factory HPLC are completely on point.
If anyone feels that strongly about our raws not being up to par or our finished product not living up to its label claim. We encourage everyone to utilize Lab4tox as a testing company for which we will reimburse for that expense. At this time I do not wish to go beyond this into the realm of “what if” because I’m very confident that our products are still 100% and will continue to be.
Thank You
Your best indicators of derivatives would be liver enzymes markers, RBC’s, hematocrit/hemoglobin, and estradiol.
But again that still will not determine much because your results can be quite different from mine. For example the same HGH batch can yield different IGF levels due to the metabolic rate of breakdown in your liver and how your body reacts to and determines how to utilize the hormone.
This is why we have IFBB pro’s and average Joe’s. Not saying the average Joe cannot look like an IFBB pro but most likely genetics will determine this and that includes all metabolic activity.
The hydrolysis of esters is carried out by the PDE7B gene, depending on the allele of the gene you can get a difference up to 3.5 times the test levels.
Depending on the muscles you inject before taking the bloodwork the levels also change according to the clinical literature.
Also depending on the viscosity of the carrier oil that you use you can get up to a 50% difference on your test levels.
Also we should add that your pinning schedule also changes the test levels.
Finally i want to point out that the increase on the test levels does not follow a linear graphic, 2x a quantity does not equal to 2x the levels you had with half of the quantity.
Taking into account all of that… measuring the quality using bloodwork is not the best way of doing it, the only way is to test the purity via HPLC, and my factory HPLC are completely on point.
If anyone feels that strongly about our raws not being up to par or our finished product not living up to its label claim. We encourage everyone to utilize Lab4tox as a testing company for which we will reimburse for that expense. At this time I do not wish to go beyond this into the realm of “what if” because I’m very confident that our products are still 100% and will continue to be.
Thank You
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falseprophet09
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@purplepandaRep This response is IDENTICAL to the email I received from “Melody.”
As I stated in my first complaint, I used to take prescription Cypionate from my doctor at 200mg per week, split into two doses 100mg Monday and Thursday.
Now read this carefully: At 200mg per week, my total test levels were 1495! I’ll say it again. AT 200MG PER WEEK, MY TOTAL TEST LEVELS WERE 1495!
I’ve been taking 480mg of Test and 660mg of Primo, brewed with your raws, for over two months now. This is a total of 1140mg of gear (literally 5x more drugs) and my levels came back at mere 1783!
You can’t possibly tell me that it’s my fault genetically, when I’ve responded quite well to ONLY 200mg of Cyp. I also pin 3x a week, so its not that. I do my injections into my quads, and I brewed this gear with MCT oil. None of this is going to make my levels this crappy with the amount of gear I’m running.
So being that I know how my body responds to 200mg of Rx cypinoate, the only conclusion is, these raws are not what they are. Perhaps your company got a bad batch, since I doubt you are synthesizing them personally. I’m not saying you maliciously or intentionally sold me crappy test powder, but it certainly isn’t my fault.
As I stated in my first complaint, I used to take prescription Cypionate from my doctor at 200mg per week, split into two doses 100mg Monday and Thursday.
Now read this carefully: At 200mg per week, my total test levels were 1495! I’ll say it again. AT 200MG PER WEEK, MY TOTAL TEST LEVELS WERE 1495!
I’ve been taking 480mg of Test and 660mg of Primo, brewed with your raws, for over two months now. This is a total of 1140mg of gear (literally 5x more drugs) and my levels came back at mere 1783!
You can’t possibly tell me that it’s my fault genetically, when I’ve responded quite well to ONLY 200mg of Cyp. I also pin 3x a week, so its not that. I do my injections into my quads, and I brewed this gear with MCT oil. None of this is going to make my levels this crappy with the amount of gear I’m running.
So being that I know how my body responds to 200mg of Rx cypinoate, the only conclusion is, these raws are not what they are. Perhaps your company got a bad batch, since I doubt you are synthesizing them personally. I’m not saying you maliciously or intentionally sold me crappy test powder, but it certainly isn’t my fault.
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@falseprophet09
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HIS LEVELS WERE AT 1495 while on 200mg RX.
Its not a genetic issue, ESPECIALLY when his genetics are obviously up to par. 1495 on 200 is a 7.5 multiplier… my multiplier on 250 was like 4.6…
Forget ab the other raws, his levels should be 1.5 or 2x higher while on 480mg vs 200mg. period… no argument here sir… raw issue, brewing issue, or math issue and he possibly isnt doing 480mg… BUT only being able to get it tested (and be credited) through your source is sus
@purplepandaRep
HIS LEVELS WERE AT 1495 while on 200mg RX.
Its not a genetic issue, ESPECIALLY when his genetics are obviously up to par. 1495 on 200 is a 7.5 multiplier… my multiplier on 250 was like 4.6…
Forget ab the other raws, his levels should be 1.5 or 2x higher while on 480mg vs 200mg. period… no argument here sir… raw issue, brewing issue, or math issue and he possibly isnt doing 480mg… BUT only being able to get it tested (and be credited) through your source is sus
Oneextracarbonchain
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Hi, im friends with the owner of PPL and i was the one who helped Melody to give you her response since my studies were related to Pharmacology (Pharmacodynamics, Pharmacokinetics, Pharmacometry) and Pharmacogenetics and Pharmacogenomics.
The key to my answer is based on the fact that unless everything is done exactly the same, it is impossible to compare the results obtained (even a minor liver stress can affect the bioavailability of testosterone), the only effective way to know the quality of a product is to send it to a laboratory, it is not necessary that you send it to a laboratory that is advertised in forums, any (good) university chemistry laboratory usually has an HPLC machine.
Primobolan cannot appear as testosterone in any analysis, the only compounds that can alter the results of an analysis are 19-nors since its metabolites can be mistaken for estrogen, so it is recommended to do an ultrasensitive estradiol analysis instead of the regular estrogen test.
That free testosterone rises has to do with Primobolan affecting SGHB and therefore free testosterone increases, the rate of increase DEPENDS on many genetic and health factors (including your circadian rhythm) and it is impossible to calculate it , then no one can say that the amount that has increased is sufficient or insufficient, because it is completely impossible to calculate.
Therefore the only way to know if the product is legitimate or not is through laboratory analysis, not through bloodwork, i honestly would be able to take two bloodworks on the same week, without changing the amounts or my pinning schedule and be able to have a big % difference between the results (and this works both ways, it can also improve the results).
In relation to what you have said about Nandrolone, its melting point is relatively low and it is normal for it to arrive in liquid form.
The key to my answer is based on the fact that unless everything is done exactly the same, it is impossible to compare the results obtained (even a minor liver stress can affect the bioavailability of testosterone), the only effective way to know the quality of a product is to send it to a laboratory, it is not necessary that you send it to a laboratory that is advertised in forums, any (good) university chemistry laboratory usually has an HPLC machine.
Primobolan cannot appear as testosterone in any analysis, the only compounds that can alter the results of an analysis are 19-nors since its metabolites can be mistaken for estrogen, so it is recommended to do an ultrasensitive estradiol analysis instead of the regular estrogen test.
That free testosterone rises has to do with Primobolan affecting SGHB and therefore free testosterone increases, the rate of increase DEPENDS on many genetic and health factors (including your circadian rhythm) and it is impossible to calculate it , then no one can say that the amount that has increased is sufficient or insufficient, because it is completely impossible to calculate.
Therefore the only way to know if the product is legitimate or not is through laboratory analysis, not through bloodwork, i honestly would be able to take two bloodworks on the same week, without changing the amounts or my pinning schedule and be able to have a big % difference between the results (and this works both ways, it can also improve the results).
In relation to what you have said about Nandrolone, its melting point is relatively low and it is normal for it to arrive in liquid form.
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Oneextracarbonchain
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I had also forgotten to say that Primobolan enanthate has 27 carbons, the greater the number of carbons, the more difference there will be in the serum levels due to the interaction of the different types of Allele with the PDE7B gene, this will also affect the levels of SGHB and free testosterone levels and the length of time you are using the compound does not alter the level reduction I have highlighted above.
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falseprophet09
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@Oneextracarbonchain
Well according to my bloodwork, my FREE TEST is 1084.6, which is insane. I talked to my one friend who is an IFBB pro, and he said that must be a mistake on the lab’s part; Dave Palumbo said that is what Primo could do, but didn’t comment about the number being high. So, I’m assuming that is what the Primo is doing, but it still doesn’t make sense because FREE TEST is a percentage of Total Test. In order for my FREE TEST to be that, high, my total test would have to be insanely higher than it states.
Well like I said before, if my body responds to 200mg RX Cypionate at levels at 1495, it shows that is super pure compared to the Cypionate raws which I got from you. There is no reason to assume my genes could or did mutate to no longer be able to respond that way.
My liver AST is only at 51
Even if it test levels don’t raise in a linear fashion as you claim, nearly tripling the dose, certainly would be MUCH higher than 1783. Again, if my levels at 200mg of Cyp ALONE go to 1495, how the hell does being on 1140g of your raws raise me a pathetic 275 points?
Also, keep in mind, my blood pressure was NORMAL at my check up; at 480mg this amount of test should have jacked that up.
The best case senario here is that the cyp powder sucked, but the Primo is good to go, since Primo is literally 20x more expensive per gram.
Another thing is, I received the Deca in a bottle to begin with. That means, your company KNEW it was going to melt ahead of time (psychic) or they shipped me already melted Deca.
I bought 20grams of Cyp from you, and only brewed half thus far. I think the right thing to do on your part is to send me Cyp which your company JUST TESTED to replace this garbage. It is literally CENTS to you, and would be the right thing to do.
I have yet to take both the “Deca” and Tren E, so I can’t complain about those…yet…but we will see when I get bloods on those, unless I decide to cut my losses and toss all this stuff and find another supplier.
Well according to my bloodwork, my FREE TEST is 1084.6, which is insane. I talked to my one friend who is an IFBB pro, and he said that must be a mistake on the lab’s part; Dave Palumbo said that is what Primo could do, but didn’t comment about the number being high. So, I’m assuming that is what the Primo is doing, but it still doesn’t make sense because FREE TEST is a percentage of Total Test. In order for my FREE TEST to be that, high, my total test would have to be insanely higher than it states.
Well like I said before, if my body responds to 200mg RX Cypionate at levels at 1495, it shows that is super pure compared to the Cypionate raws which I got from you. There is no reason to assume my genes could or did mutate to no longer be able to respond that way.
My liver AST is only at 51
Even if it test levels don’t raise in a linear fashion as you claim, nearly tripling the dose, certainly would be MUCH higher than 1783. Again, if my levels at 200mg of Cyp ALONE go to 1495, how the hell does being on 1140g of your raws raise me a pathetic 275 points?
Also, keep in mind, my blood pressure was NORMAL at my check up; at 480mg this amount of test should have jacked that up.
The best case senario here is that the cyp powder sucked, but the Primo is good to go, since Primo is literally 20x more expensive per gram.
Another thing is, I received the Deca in a bottle to begin with. That means, your company KNEW it was going to melt ahead of time (psychic) or they shipped me already melted Deca.
I bought 20grams of Cyp from you, and only brewed half thus far. I think the right thing to do on your part is to send me Cyp which your company JUST TESTED to replace this garbage. It is literally CENTS to you, and would be the right thing to do.
I have yet to take both the “Deca” and Tren E, so I can’t complain about those…yet…but we will see when I get bloods on those, unless I decide to cut my losses and toss all this stuff and find another supplier.
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Oneextracarbonchain
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@falseprophet09
I have nothing to do with what PPL does, im just an old friend of the owner, he can do whatever he wants with his company, this is just my opinion.
1)Blood pressure can’t be a way of measuring the quality of a product, i have used up to 700mg of Test from a local pharmacy and my BP always stays on point (minus one time that i messed up from overtraining and it went trough the roof just using 300mgs), on the other hand if i thrown in some Dbol/Androl/Sdrol or whatever product that interacts with glycogen deposits my BP skyrockets and i need to use Telmi or Nebivolol to put it back to normal levels.
2)Related to Deca melting… what’s the problem if it melts and PPL sends it that way? The pharmacodynamics are exactly the same and nothing has changed , on the other hard people are still buying orange/dark golden Tren that is completely oxidized trough a bad brewing process, having way less bioavailability and no one complaints about it, receiving the same product with the same purity and everything… is not a problem, when you order stuff from a legal API supplier to a legal lab, the stuff used to came in into different packages and tubs depending on the time of the year.
3)If you can’t probe it via a lab test and you have only your bloodwork to support it… sorry but that’s not enough at least for me and for everyone that understands biology/pharmacology, when i used to work in a lab every single time we got new stuff we tested it via an HPLC test, no one took Fluoroantimonic acid and said “oh it has done a bigger hole in my stomach than sulfuric acid, it must be legit”, we tested it before using it.
4)Finally i just want to say that i have seen private lab tests of several of this products and every single one was good, even Var, Proviron and pure DHT that are often faked got tested by Spanish and French people and the results were on point, if you want to prove them wrong, send it to a lab and have it tested.
I would never ask someone for a refund or a reshipping of the product, accusing that the product is bad without any real thing to support my claim, its like when people used to say to sources “X product has not arrived”, there was no way to prove it and sources usually had to send the product again just to hold their status even if the guy was lying, nowadays sources are more intelligent and they ask for an unboxing video, same applies nowadays with testing, testing the stuff is super easy nowadays and most universities can offer that service for super cheap, that’s the easiest way of testing it.
I have nothing to do with what PPL does, im just an old friend of the owner, he can do whatever he wants with his company, this is just my opinion.
1)Blood pressure can’t be a way of measuring the quality of a product, i have used up to 700mg of Test from a local pharmacy and my BP always stays on point (minus one time that i messed up from overtraining and it went trough the roof just using 300mgs), on the other hand if i thrown in some Dbol/Androl/Sdrol or whatever product that interacts with glycogen deposits my BP skyrockets and i need to use Telmi or Nebivolol to put it back to normal levels.
2)Related to Deca melting… what’s the problem if it melts and PPL sends it that way? The pharmacodynamics are exactly the same and nothing has changed , on the other hard people are still buying orange/dark golden Tren that is completely oxidized trough a bad brewing process, having way less bioavailability and no one complaints about it, receiving the same product with the same purity and everything… is not a problem, when you order stuff from a legal API supplier to a legal lab, the stuff used to came in into different packages and tubs depending on the time of the year.
3)If you can’t probe it via a lab test and you have only your bloodwork to support it… sorry but that’s not enough at least for me and for everyone that understands biology/pharmacology, when i used to work in a lab every single time we got new stuff we tested it via an HPLC test, no one took Fluoroantimonic acid and said “oh it has done a bigger hole in my stomach than sulfuric acid, it must be legit”, we tested it before using it.
4)Finally i just want to say that i have seen private lab tests of several of this products and every single one was good, even Var, Proviron and pure DHT that are often faked got tested by Spanish and French people and the results were on point, if you want to prove them wrong, send it to a lab and have it tested.
I would never ask someone for a refund or a reshipping of the product, accusing that the product is bad without any real thing to support my claim, its like when people used to say to sources “X product has not arrived”, there was no way to prove it and sources usually had to send the product again just to hold their status even if the guy was lying, nowadays sources are more intelligent and they ask for an unboxing video, same applies nowadays with testing, testing the stuff is super easy nowadays and most universities can offer that service for super cheap, that’s the easiest way of testing it.
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falseprophet09
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@Oneextracarbonchain
Fair point on blood pressure…
Well I know I’m not lying, and I don’t expect him or anyone to do anything, which is why I’m sharing my experience and haven’t made any demands, but as a warning to others.
I’m saying the only way it would PROVE to me is that a recently tested batch was sent to me from PPL, and THEN my bloods reflected that, or if they came out exactly the same, regardless.
I can show all my emails to them, and my proton mail has the same name I’m using here, so I’m not pulling a reverse scam or anything. Again, the 20 grams of Test cost me 18 dollars, I’m not gonna stress over it, but it is the PRINCIPLE of the matter, since all these transitions are based on TRUST. If we can’t TRUST our sources, it is a HUGE problem.
The fact my Free Test is through the roof, at least gives me hope the Primo is legit, especially since it cost me $20 per gram, which I would be way pissed if it were not good to go. But then again, I’ve never see anyone with free test that high, and it could even be an error on the lab’s part… Which by the way, could also mean they screwed up my Total Test, to be fair.
But let me understand your logic here:
You see no issue with 200mg of Rx Cypionate gives me levels of 1495, with NO OTHER DRUGS, but PPL Cypionate raws, gives me only 1783 at 480mg?
Fair point on blood pressure…
Well I know I’m not lying, and I don’t expect him or anyone to do anything, which is why I’m sharing my experience and haven’t made any demands, but as a warning to others.
I’m saying the only way it would PROVE to me is that a recently tested batch was sent to me from PPL, and THEN my bloods reflected that, or if they came out exactly the same, regardless.
I can show all my emails to them, and my proton mail has the same name I’m using here, so I’m not pulling a reverse scam or anything. Again, the 20 grams of Test cost me 18 dollars, I’m not gonna stress over it, but it is the PRINCIPLE of the matter, since all these transitions are based on TRUST. If we can’t TRUST our sources, it is a HUGE problem.
The fact my Free Test is through the roof, at least gives me hope the Primo is legit, especially since it cost me $20 per gram, which I would be way pissed if it were not good to go. But then again, I’ve never see anyone with free test that high, and it could even be an error on the lab’s part… Which by the way, could also mean they screwed up my Total Test, to be fair.
But let me understand your logic here:
You see no issue with 200mg of Rx Cypionate gives me levels of 1495, with NO OTHER DRUGS, but PPL Cypionate raws, gives me only 1783 at 480mg?
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Forthewin1123
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@falseprophet09 you need to have it hplc tested… without that you claiming a source to habe given you a bad product… which Is a big deal in tje business…bit all you habe is blood work and what yoir friend said …ifbb pro means nothing… you gotta get it tested no one will take this claim serious until there is some form of legit testing. I understand your feelings…but the science says your blood work can be correct… also blood labs make errors as well… would be great if ppl said send it to jano and they paid jano…
And your dealing with homebrew… it’s possible there was an error in tje recipe… also very possible tje last test cyp you used was way over dosed… 30-50mg…
With the info given I nor can anyone else make a definitive decision on if the raws is good or bad…
And your dealing with homebrew… it’s possible there was an error in tje recipe… also very possible tje last test cyp you used was way over dosed… 30-50mg…
With the info given I nor can anyone else make a definitive decision on if the raws is good or bad…
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falseprophet09
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Well like I said, I have no agenda so I’ll have to email Janoshik and see how this process works. However, I recall PPL shitting on Janoshik, so IDK how that would change their mind lol.
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Just out of ignorant curiosity, why is there so much emphasis on the free test being a clear lab error, but the total test couldn’t possibly be? I’m no blood work expert, but your free test looks fairly in-line with what youd expect on those compounds and the other bloods are fine/expected values other than BP. Unless I’m missing something major here, why couldn’t total test be the error?
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falseprophet09
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We don’t’ actually know if Free Test is an error because Primo could actually raise Free Test, according to Palumbo. However, if Free Test isn’t the issue, that would mean my total test would have to be even WAYYYY higher, like 10x higher. I highly doubt 480mg of Test would put me in 10000 lol.
But I just checked my brewed vials, which I have two left of cyp. I made a total of 6 vials; all of them are extremely clear except this one that is extremely cloudy. If this cloudy means that it has more product in it, then it could solve this mystery. But again, I filtered everything correctly, and the only issue was I put too much oil because the media bottle’s markings were not accurate. When it was all done, I evenly dispersed the oil into 6 10ml vials, being that the total amount of oil came out to 60ml. So each vial should would be 160mg of Cyp.
I still have 10 grams left of powder; the next brew I won’t being using a ZAPCAP and will do it manually with 10ml syringes. BUt again, nothing I could have done would have made this brew so diluted that every CC would be less, than 160, since I Don’t see how the powder would disperse in such a way that one vial would get more than another.
But I just checked my brewed vials, which I have two left of cyp. I made a total of 6 vials; all of them are extremely clear except this one that is extremely cloudy. If this cloudy means that it has more product in it, then it could solve this mystery. But again, I filtered everything correctly, and the only issue was I put too much oil because the media bottle’s markings were not accurate. When it was all done, I evenly dispersed the oil into 6 10ml vials, being that the total amount of oil came out to 60ml. So each vial should would be 160mg of Cyp.
I still have 10 grams left of powder; the next brew I won’t being using a ZAPCAP and will do it manually with 10ml syringes. BUt again, nothing I could have done would have made this brew so diluted that every CC would be less, than 160, since I Don’t see how the powder would disperse in such a way that one vial would get more than another.
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purplepandaRep
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We don’t “steer” anyone to use Lab4tox as our “own business” reason why are advocating that you send your products to Lab4tox because they are a legitimate laboratory and Jano “claims” to have access to testing equipment which is a huge red flag and can be interpreted as whatever you want it to be.
Multiple boards, individuals, sources and former customers of Jano advise utilizing Lab4tox as your only testing service. To also put in fairly. Lab4tox has no “skin” in this game and Jano has always made it clear of what his/her agenda is. Just the fact alone that he/she spends copious amounts of time on the boards leaves one to believe when does he/she find time for testing? Lab4tox is a company in Poland, no agenda; as long as you don’t send them anything heavy of the recreational kind…. They’ll be able to identify the compound; blindly and tell you it’s exact purity. If it’s finished product; again they will identify the product and tell you it’s exact milligram percentage.
Multiple boards, individuals, sources and former customers of Jano advise utilizing Lab4tox as your only testing service. To also put in fairly. Lab4tox has no “skin” in this game and Jano has always made it clear of what his/her agenda is. Just the fact alone that he/she spends copious amounts of time on the boards leaves one to believe when does he/she find time for testing? Lab4tox is a company in Poland, no agenda; as long as you don’t send them anything heavy of the recreational kind…. They’ll be able to identify the compound; blindly and tell you it’s exact purity. If it’s finished product; again they will identify the product and tell you it’s exact milligram percentage.
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falseprophet09
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Well this response puts this entire board as a red flag, being that it seem Jano is the most used verifying of people’s raws/gear here lol.
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purplepandaRep
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falseprophet09 said:
As for any baseless claims that our raws are low purity, is just that “Baseless”. We are always willing to help out, resolve problems and if need be refund our customers if the need arises but we ask quite simply to test the raws utilizing a legitimate laboratory.
You are free to use his services. We just do not recognize him as a legitimate testing source. My response is final and I consider this matter addressed and resolved until further developments are made.
As for any baseless claims that our raws are low purity, is just that “Baseless”. We are always willing to help out, resolve problems and if need be refund our customers if the need arises but we ask quite simply to test the raws utilizing a legitimate laboratory.
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falseprophet09
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I wouldn’t say its “baseless,” because it is based on my literal experience and bloodwork.
And if I’m going to spend money to get it tested, and it comes back not as you claimed, then what?
And if I’m going to spend money to get it tested, and it comes back not as you claimed, then what?
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purplepandaRep
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falseprophet09 said:
As for “if” you test it. I’ll respond once I hear back from Panda on this what he is willing to do.
But for you to accuse us of low purity raws when Primo is a DHT Derivative and will not show up in TT, but will most definitely raise Free Test because DHT derivatives lower SBHG which basically frees up the test. As for TT, who knows. I’ve had blood work where all my levels were off entirely, retested and everything was within range…. One time my blood work showed ranges for liver, kidneys and whatever in 100x over range; labs aren’t always accurate either.
But once I hear back from here, I’ll post up.
It is baseless, bloodwork and “literal experience” are baseless. My apologies if you feel otherwise, but without a complete analysis of what the compound is and purity, there’s no substantial evidence for any accusations.
As for “if” you test it. I’ll respond once I hear back from Panda on this what he is willing to do.
But for you to accuse us of low purity raws when Primo is a DHT Derivative and will not show up in TT, but will most definitely raise Free Test because DHT derivatives lower SBHG which basically frees up the test. As for TT, who knows. I’ve had blood work where all my levels were off entirely, retested and everything was within range…. One time my blood work showed ranges for liver, kidneys and whatever in 100x over range; labs aren’t always accurate either.
But once I hear back from here, I’ll post up.
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This thread is coming dangerously close to making claims without proof. Keep it chill please.
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falseprophet09
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I probably should have not titled the thread the way I did. I should have put something like “Total Test low on PPL raw brew”
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