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[CaptainAmerica]

I thought the same thing but. But in defense everytime I pinned the Test 300 from Hunter on this last batch it has done this. I gave a unopened vial to a friend prior to use same order (was fairy large order) and he experienced the exact same situation. When I pinned with the pharmacy hrt dose I get locally no issues. This Abscess is solely from this last batch. My friend pinned 2ml and had golf ball size mass which he is currently taken Doxycycline in hopes it resolves. I pinned 3-4 times before stopping and switched back to my hrt dose from the pharmacy. Took two rounds antibiotics and no resolve. Wife has been RN for 15 years. She said same thing that usually it from in proper pinning. But this time content of vial even looks different. Very clear watery verse old vial that you could clearly see was an oil. On a side note you continue to defend him over and over while others have been banned for less. Are you friends. I don't care about the drama I need to know what was different for the batch. I read in past post he had a bad batch. It very well could have been mixed wrong or contaminated.
Per wife before I pin I shower and use a product called Hibiclens. To wash prior to pinning.

You can’t get an abscess without bacteria present. He did have a bad batch, related to pip and there were multiple reports.

But in order for a “batch” to be bad, I, and the board, need more than one account and not “oh my friend also, yada yada.” You don’t find it strange that of all the vials sold ONLY yours causes an abscess? He makes only 10ml at a time and you just happen to get the contaminated one? Again, also going against the fact that there’s antiseptic in the oil…

We are not friends, no. And others have been banned for less? When? DO and Dash had many, many service issues before their ban, a source might have a bad batch (pip, underdosed) on occasion and weren’t banned. He’s having some trouble right now responding to emails but that’s all and we are in constant communication about it.

Again, I empathize that you have an abscess. I’ve never had one. I’m sure it sucks to have to go and get it drained. But as for a burden of proof, we need more than this to make the claim that an entire batch was bad.

 

[newoldman2]

You can’t get an abscess without bacteria present. He did have a bad batch, related to pip and there were multiple reports.

But in order for a “batch” to be bad, I, and the board, need more than one account and not “oh my friend also, yada yada.” You don’t find it strange that of all the vials sold ONLY yours causes an abscess? He makes only 10ml at a time and you just happen to get the contaminated one? Again, also going against the fact that there’s antiseptic in the oil…

We are not friends, no. And others have been banned for less? When? DO and Dash had many, many service issues before their ban, a source might have a bad batch (pip, underdosed) on occasion and weren’t banned. He’s having some trouble right now responding to emails but that’s all and we are in constant communication about it.

Again, I empathize that you have an abscess. I’ve never had one. I’m sure it sucks to have to go and get it drained. But as for a burden of proof, we need more than this to make the claim that an entire batch was bad.

I totally get that I own a business as well and I don't get a single gallon of defective paint. 1000s of gallons are made under the same batch. But I'm sure he doesn't do that kinds of volume. I would be happy to send it off and have it tested. I would pay for any expenses.
But again he has never had a problem with his communication or shipping but he has definitely ghosted me on this subject. Tell me where to send it and I'll be happy to. But it's clearly visible your taking his side. When so many are upset. I just need a response from him. Two vials out of 10 I ordered so far pinned like this. I am hesitant to use anymore is all the same batch and date.

 

[MachuFuku]

I totally get that I own a business as well and I don't get a single gallon of defective paint. 1000s of gallons are made under the same batch. But I'm sure he doesn't do that kinds of volume. I would be happy to send it off and have it tested. I would pay for any expenses.
But again he has never had a problem with his communication or shipping but he has definitely ghosted me on this subject. Tell me where to send it and I'll be happy to. But it's clearly visible your taking his side. When so many are upset. I just need a response from him. Two vials out of 10 I ordered so far pinned like this. I am hesitant to use anymore is all the same batch and date.

https://janoshik.com/

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I totally get that I own a business as well and I don't get a single gallon of defective paint. 1000s of gallons are made under the same batch. But I'm sure he doesn't do that kinds of volume. I would be happy to send it off and have it tested. I would pay for any expenses.
But again he has never had a problem with his communication or shipping but he has definitely ghosted me on this subject. Tell me where to send it and I'll be happy to. But it's clearly visible your taking his side. When so many are upset. I just need a response from him. Two vials out of 10 I ordered so far pinned like this. I am hesitant to use anymore is all the same batch and date.

I would say the same thing with anyone making a claim about any source that a whole batch was bad because they, solely, got an abscess. As much as harm reduction is one of the tenets of SST, so to is preventing mass hysteria. Hence why we don’t allow “feelz” as an indicator of gear quality.

I don’t really appreciate the claim that I’m “taking sides.” You’re extrapolating your abscess issue to the larger email issue, which I stated in my first reply to you, I was not excusing.

I simply stated that an abscess from a contaminated vial is highly unlikely given the environment of the vial is non-conducive to bacteria, it was likely pin technique and cited a pubmed saying the same, and stated I’d need to see more reports of this to take a conclusive action. If there were even 2-3 people with an abscess, that’s questionable.

The above is all true for any source. So taking sides? No. I’m actually pounding Hunter everyday for updates for all who are affected by his email challenges and I’m pretty sure those affected and resolved would back me on that.

 

[newoldman2]

Well I appreciate your honesty. I stand corrected because I didn't not realize what was happening in the background. Therefore I retract my opinion and thoughts regarding you in this. Again I appreciate you standing up behind the scenes.
My apologies

 

[akde]

not to muddy the waters and i mean in no way to promote or add to any mass hysteria. unfortunately, there is solid research showing that ba and other alcohols can increase production of biofilm specifically in some clinical strains of staph. allowing them to survive even very high concentrations while promoting increased antibiotic resistance. so its not outside the realm of possibility

it would be pretty unlikely and not saying this is the case here. one bad order in isolation means very little without confirmation but it is something to keep in mind. if this is off topic for this subforum i apologize but it seemed relevant given the situation

unrelated but very much appreciate the moderation team working to get the email issues resolved in the background and hopefully things get back to normal soon

 

[HandsomeSloth]

I thought the same thing but. But in defense everytime I pinned the Test 300 from Hunter on this last batch it has done this. I gave a unopened vial to a friend prior to use same order (was fairy large order) and he experienced the exact same situation. When I pinned with the pharmacy hrt dose I get locally no issues. This Abscess is solely from this last batch. My friend pinned 2ml and had golf ball size mass which he is currently taken Doxycycline in hopes it resolves. I pinned 3-4 times before stopping and switched back to my hrt dose from the pharmacy. Took two rounds antibiotics and no resolve. Wife has been RN for 15 years. She said same thing that usually it from in proper pinning. But this time content of vial even looks different. Very clear watery verse old vial that you could clearly see was an oil. On a side note you continue to defend him over and over while others have been banned for less. Are you friends. I don't care about the drama I need to know what was different for the batch. I read in past post he had a bad batch. It very well could have been mixed wrong or contaminated.
Per wife before I pin I shower and use a product called Hibiclens. To wash prior to pinning.

The issue is your claims have to be backed by clear cut evidence. It’s hard to prove whether his Test was the result of the abscess or just some bacteria getting into the injection site.

 

[newoldman2]

The issue is your claims have to be backed by clear cut evidence. It’s hard to prove whether his Test was the result of the abscess or just some bacteria getting into the injection site.

Here was his reply. I have taken his test E 300 for 5 years. This is first time I have any issues. Spoke this morning with a close friend this morning that is an actually allergist/immunologist. ( I'm currently in the hospital as we speak) Graduated from Wash U. He said that statement is incorrect. I would be experiencing a rash and numerous other symptoms. As a IM injection does not just site manifest. It happens throughout the body. Again my wife has a BSN of nursing and has ran a trauma unit for 15 years she teaching proper trauma team injectionns for trauma patients. Also prior to all this my PCP gave me two rounds of antibiotics, Bactrim DS and Doxycycline. It did not reduce the mass. Hence I'm taking IV vancomycin before they open it up later today. I didn't lie or hide anything from my wife or PCP. They know how I acquired the product. I can attach a picture of the vials with the lot number to see if anyone else has had issues. I am also paying out of pocket and sending a unopened vial to be tested. For further verification.

 

[snoopdawg]

@newoldman2 show us the abscess . Lee see that bad boy.

And I thought this source is USA domestic. Why’s it saying they don’t know what the factory uses in Test E ? I thought they brewed the test E themselves. Or are they taking about the Raws?

 

[Case-Akilleez]

@newoldman2 show us the abscess . Lee see that bad boy.

And I thought this source is USA domestic. Why’s it saying they don’t know what the factory uses in Test E ? I thought they brewed the test E themselves. Or are they taking about the Raws?

Yes he means the raw supplier

 

[snoopdawg]

Yes he means the raw supplier

Gotcha.

I’m waiting to see this abscess. He’s Been talking about it for days now. I want to see it.

 

[MachuFuku]

Here was his reply. I have taken his test E 300 for 5 years. This is first time I have any issues. Spoke this morning with a close friend this morning that is an actually allergist/immunologist. ( I'm currently in the hospital as we speak) Graduated from Wash U. He said that statement is incorrect. I would be experiencing a rash and numerous other symptoms. As a IM injection does not just site manifest. It happens throughout the body. Again my wife has a BSN of nursing and has ran a trauma unit for 15 years she teaching proper trauma team injectionns for trauma patients. Also prior to all this my PCP gave me two rounds of antibiotics, Bactrim DS and Doxycycline. It did not reduce the mass. Hence I'm taking IV vancomycin before they open it up later today. I didn't lie or hide anything from my wife or PCP. They know how I acquired the product. I can attach a picture of the vials with the lot number to see if anyone else has had issues. I am also paying out of pocket and sending a unopened vial to be tested. For further verification.

"I am also paying out of pocket and sending a unopened vial to be tested. For further verification."

Thank you for doing this.

 

[TraumaRN]

Here was his reply. I have taken his test E 300 for 5 years. This is first time I have any issues. Spoke this morning with a close friend this morning that is an actually allergist/immunologist. ( I'm currently in the hospital as we speak) Graduated from Wash U. He said that statement is incorrect. I would be experiencing a rash and numerous other symptoms. As a IM injection does not just site manifest. It happens throughout the body. Again my wife has a BSN of nursing and has ran a trauma unit for 15 years she teaching proper trauma team injectionns for trauma patients. Also prior to all this my PCP gave me two rounds of antibiotics, Bactrim DS and Doxycycline. It did not reduce the mass. Hence I'm taking IV vancomycin before they open it up later today. I didn't lie or hide anything from my wife or PCP. They know how I acquired the product. I can attach a picture of the vials with the lot number to see if anyone else has had issues. I am also paying out of pocket and sending a unopened vial to be tested. For further verification.

That is 100% incorrect. I have been in the medical field for 30 years, and have had my BSN in nursing for almost 15. Currently working on my Masters for Nurse Practitioner and have been an ICU Nurse for 13 years. An IM injection DOES in fact site manifest, I've seen it hundreds of times. IF left untreated you will get the other symptoms, but initially it will be pain at the injection site, soreness, redness, and it will be warm to touch. Treatment with AB's at onset should resolve with no further complications.

 

[snoopdawg]

"I am also paying out of pocket and sending a unopened vial to be tested. For further verification."

Thank you for doing this.

Tell him do a blind sample. I have a feeling this guy doesn’t know how a blind sample works.

He didn’t even know who Jano was.

I can picture him sending and email to Jano Saying. This is a vial of Hunter Pharm test e 300mg /ml. Can you test it and make sure that’s what it is. Which would be pointless.

Plus he shouldn’t even bother with a concentration sample at this point with his abscess he didn’t show us yet.

He should do the gcms one

 

[newoldman2]

Gotcha.

I’m waiting to see this abscess. He’s Been talking about it for days now. I want to see it.this

Wife took this on Sunday. Since everyone is so skeptical please reverse search it and look. Its the actual picture.

 

[snoopdawg]

Wife took this on Sunday.

HOLY SHIT LOL

 

[MachuFuku]

Wife took this on Sunday. Since everyone is so skeptical please reverse search it and look. Its the actual picture.

Rub some dirt on it and walk it off.

 

[MachuFuku]

Tell him do a blind sample. I have a feeling this guy doesn’t know how a blind sample works.

He didn’t even know who Jano was.

I can picture him sending and email to Jano Saying. This is a vial of Hunter Pharm test e 300mg /ml. Can you test it and make sure that’s what it is. Which would be pointless.

Plus he shouldn’t even bother with a concentration sample at this point with his abscess he didn’t show us yet.

He should do the gcms one

^^ This is very good advice. If you going to pay, do send it blind. I think that Jano is now offering testing to identify bacteria but I could not find it on the site listing for the testing costs.

 

[Jhub527]

Wife took this on Sunday. Since everyone is so skeptical please reverse search it and look. Its the actual picture.

God damn , that looks brutal

 

[MachuFuku]

God damn , that looks brutal

I had some L-Carnitine that gave me some PIP...now I am getting all itchy and nervous after seeing that pic. Dayuummmnn.