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Starting TRT at 26 y/o. Stupid Mistake, Lesson Learned

OptimalHealth

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Hi everyone,

I am hoping I can get some insight from you guys. I am 26y/o and want to get off TRT after a year of usage of 200 test c a week with HCG 250 IU twice a week. To be honest, I never needed the TRT in the first place. I am 5'11, 185 pounds, about 13-14 % body fat. My levels where mid 500's before naturally, but I truly felt had " low t " symptoms and was so depressed and full of anxiety i was desperate for change. Before i got my levels to 500's naturally they where high 200's at first. I knew that my lifestyle factors where a big cause of my low t, as well as depression. Bad sleep hygiene, porn addiction and masturbation, smoking weed on an occasional basis along with occasional pain killers to mask the pain. I did a massive amount of research I knew that all of what I was feeling was due to my actions. So I found Andrew Huberman as well as tons of other doctors who talked about living optimal to increase test. I removed a lot of my bad habits ( but not all ) and was only able to get it to 500's. Still however, I convinced myself that it was nearly impossible to get my t levels optimal unless a lived a near perfect lifestyle. I was lying to myself. So, I went to a T-Mill and you know the rest.

A year later, I feel much better, even though I was in decent shape before, I am even better now, but a part of me feels like I am using TRT as a drug. I am over 2 months completely sober, and realized that I never gave myself enough time to feel better because I was still abusing substances and watching porn etc. Also I know now that drinking even only on the weekends massively effected my mental health, as well as porn. I am 26y/o and there is no reason why I should be on TRT, I am cheating myself and want to be true to myself. All I have been doing now is postponing getting off trt because I fear I am going to crash hard and go through a deep mental health crisis again. Also, I start a new sales job in 3 weeks for a dream tech company as a Business Development Rep and fear I will lose my job from poor performance. However, there is never going to be a perfect time to get off, and the deeper I go the harder it will be to recover

My questions/ thoughts are:

1) Should I do a PCT program? I know there is mixed opinions to this, especially considering the fact that I was only taking T for less than a year, and also HCG along with it so my systom is not completely fucked.

2) How long should I wait until I start a PCT program from my last shot so its cleared completely from my system? (Two days ago and was 33 IU of test c)

3) Should I run HCG and Clomid? If so how much? I know some do massive amount of HCG like 3000 -5000 IU every week but obviously thats for more severe cases.

4) How long do you think untill I feel normal again?


I hope you guys understand where I am coming from. I am just a young lad trying to be a better man! I know some of you might troll but i would appreciate folks who are trying to help!
 

JDLift

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I'll answer your questions but I'm also gonna give my honest opinion too.

1) Probably worth taking SOME sort of anti-estrogen product although it's gonna take some lab tests to tell you what doses you're gonna need and what products. Not all of them work the same way. We ballpark it to 'Take 80/80/40/40 Nolva" or whatever the stupid fucking copypasta protocol is but really nobody fuckin knows without getting tests what they really need. Go to the place you got your Test, and ask them if they can help you.

2) See above. Ask professionals who have access to testing equipment.
3) See 2.
4) Check out Pete Rubish on Youtube, he has logged his journey post-steroid usage and has hours of video content on this subject. He's more reputable than anyone on any anonymous forum.


Personal opinion: You are better off staying on TRT. Seriously, there;s nothing wrong with it as long as you can afford it and don't mind the jabs every so often. Plenty of men and women are using some sort of supplemental hormone therapy to keep their bodies functioning well and there's not really any data showing that it's a problem to supplement reasonable levels of testosterone or estrogen. All men are better off using TRT after they hit their late 40s anyway so we can keep doing man shit. May as well just hop on the train now.
 

MikeAlstott

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I agree with what @JDLift said. I commend you for wanting to get your life together and be the best version of yourself. I have to be honest though, you sound a bit confused. You seem to be associating TRT with being bad because it's a "drug" and you feel like you are addicted to it - all addictions are bad, etc. "Drugs are bad mmmkay?" mentality so to speak. You have to ask yourself why did you start in the first place? Were you intending on feeling better and pushing your lifting lifestyle to the limit? It seems like this was the case and apparently you've come a long way. So that's something you should realize and feel good about. I wouldn't guilt trip yourself and say that you are only 26 and there's no reason you should be on TRT, you're cheating yourself from being your "true" self, all that negative talk is just your inner voice chattering nonsense. Apparently there was a valid reason and you chose to go that route and look what happened - it worked.

Another thing I notice is referencing being addicted to porn. Can you explain what was going on there? Like was it to the point where it was affecting your life and you were just looking at porn all day or something? I feel like this whole nofap movement was invented by some ultra religious group and/or basement dwelling nerds who've never interacted with a female in their life and so yea, maybe it does work for them, but I feel like sometimes it's blown out of proportion. Like it's some sort of key to unlocking your life. My experience with nofap was because I was curious - no porn, no masturbation. Just for reference I've had plenty of girlfriends and that's never been an issue, but I wanted to test it out. I know @JDLift will probably say I'm LARPing here ;). I lasted a month and woke up ejaculating from a wet dream into my mattress. That had never happened to me in my life. I was walking around horny 24/7 looking at females that I wouldn't be attracted to normally and wanting to fuck them. I don't know, it just wasn't for me. I do understand if you actually have a problem where you spend your day whacking off to porn and have never had a girlfriend or something.

Lastly, you start a new job in a few weeks. I would not attempt to PCT now and halfway into your onboarding you feel off. You want to make good first impressions. If you really don't feel like this lifestyle is for you and you want to PCT for good, then I would wait until you are settled into your new job before pulling the plug. Just my two cents. Good luck.
 

JDLift

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I know @JDLift will probably say I'm LARPing here ;).


Actually no. I browse porn a lot, still have no problem fuckin my woman and in my previous LTR I was with a gay chick (It makes more sense than it seems) who brought women over often and had no issue fucking them too. I read about the Nofap thing and placebo'd myself into thinking I was having issues for like a week then realized when the ex brought some skank off Whisper app over that it was bullshit and went back to watching porn and jerking off and fucking with no issues. I highly believe this nofap thing is the product of a newer generation of males who are targeted by a stream of demoralization through cuckold and BBC fantasy bullshit making them depressed into impotency, along with the cocktail of bullshit chemicals put into the food they're eating and a lack of physical activty/living a NEET lifestyle. I do agree a porn addiction can be a thing that can harm someone in the sense that if they jerk off to weird shit then they may find normal, non-extreme sex acts less enjoyable but that's gotta take a seriously weak and feeble mind to succumb to that. Nobody with genes worth passing on should have anything to worry about.
 
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