The honest truth about homebrewing.

[Dexter]

Don’t do it!

Let me explain.

1. When you buy raws you have no idea what the hell you’re getting unless you send them off for testing. This isn’t just a question of purity, it’s a question of “did the raws provider send you the right product”. Powders have a distinct look, but most of you don’t know what they look like or smell like even.
2. You will end up accumulating enough raws and paraphernalia to end up in prison should you ever get caught. It simply is too easy to buy large amounts.
3. There’s lots of supplies that are needed if you want to do this right, sterilization is important. Add up the cost and the baggage of hauling all this crap around with you should you have to move. A cop searches your vehicle and finds glassware, filters, crimping tool, vials…not good.
4. It’s a pain in the ass to brew. That’s the bottom line. Between sterilizing glassware meticulously, cooking your oil, filtering and more filtering, this step sucks. I can easily spend 6 hours creating a 200ml brew from start to finish.

I could go on with more details, but what I’ve come to realize. Just buy your finished product from someone that has actual testing reports for the actual raws they bought(not the raw source HPLC reports those don’t mean shit), let them do the hard work of creating a sterile pure product and sit back and enjoy life. Sure you save a bundle and it’s always a good idea to keep some raws on hand just in case we have problems in the future getting our stuff, but leave it to the pros until that day comes.

 

[beefnewton]

Thanks for taking one for the team. I just bought enough finished product for a year due to my paranoia over CV.

 

[Dexter]

Don’t get me wrong I learned a lot by brewing.

However I look at my basement and the lab that it has turned into and I kind of wonder what the hell did I just do.

Boxes of supplies, I just had another box arrive twenty minutes ago of 60cc and 30cc syringes for brewing.

You add up the cost of all the supplies I’ve bought. The hassle of dealing with Chinese orders, watching customs for anything that might suggest a seizure.

Then you look down at all the mylar bags + oxygen absorbers, full of powder.

It all equals one thing…stress, and stress isn’t good.

I feel for anyone that wants to be a source, it’s got to a royal pain in the ass.

People hassle sources, complain, but trust me folks, this shit sucks.

 

[bottletop]

Dexter" pid='83803' dateline='1583427608:

Don’t do it!

Let me explain.

1. When you buy raws you have no idea what the hell you’re getting unless you send them off for testing. This isn’t just a question of purity, it’s a question of “did the raws provider send you the right product”. Powders have a distinct look, but most of you don’t know what they look like or smell like even.
2. You will end up accumulating enough raws and paraphernalia to end up in prison should you ever get caught. It simply is too easy to buy large amounts.
3. There’s lots of supplies that are needed if you want to do this right, sterilization is important. Add up the cost and the baggage of hauling all this crap around with you should you have to move. A cop searches your vehicle and finds glassware, filters, crimping tool, vials…not good.
4. It’s a pain in the ass to brew. That’s the bottom line. Between sterilizing glassware meticulously, cooking your oil, filtering and more filtering, this step sucks. I can easily spend 6 hours creating a 200ml brew from start to finish.

I could go on with more details, but what I’ve come to realize. Just buy your finished product from someone that has actual testing reports for the actual raws they bought(not the raw source HPLC reports those don’t mean shit), let them do the hard work of creating a sterile pure product and sit back and enjoy life. Sure you save a bundle and it’s always a good idea to keep some raws on hand just in case we have problems in the future getting our stuff, but leave it to the pros until that day comes.

So send it off for testing FTIR harm reduction is free and includes almost all steroids in their library. FTIR is only good for powder though. HPLC for liquid products @ about 150 usd. I will never fathom why everyone is so against testing oh its so much work blahdy fuckin blah. Just order a 1g sample for .60c test them for free using ftir and away you fucking go they can even guess percentages + or minus a few % so if you know the weight you know the concentration.

Everyone hates this when i mention it however its mostly users who bitch at me nd not labs. its so FUCKING easy to get shit tested.

all the other stuff seems accurate tho haha.

 

[Dexter]

I did send somethings off for testing.

The main point of this post, is that while you do save money on raws, you have to add in all the other costs.

Also people need to consider that brewing is obviously a solo sport, in that I mean if you have a family you better never let them catch on to what you’re doing. Sneaking around when they’re gone for a couple of hours isn’t gonna work. You really need to set aside an afternoon all to yourself with no one around so you can focus on what you’re doing. Having a half kilo of raws on a table, this makes it look like your a Columbian drug lord.

If your wife and kids walked in on your brew, would that be a good idea…I’m guessing not.

When you talk about free FTIR spectrocopy, are you talking about the FTIR library or an actual place I can send off raws for free testing, or equipment I can buy for my own testing?

Jano charges around $70 for raws. I’ve used him for a few raws, but I’m not interested in doing this for 20+ raws. I suspect most home brewers won’t go through this trouble.

 

[flashpass123]

bottletop" pid='83812' dateline='1583430860:

Dexter" pid='83803' dateline='1583427608:

Don’t do it!

Let me explain.

1. When you buy raws you have no idea what the hell you’re getting unless you send them off for testing. This isn’t just a question of purity, it’s a question of “did the raws provider send you the right product”. Powders have a distinct look, but most of you don’t know what they look like or smell like even.
2. You will end up accumulating enough raws and paraphernalia to end up in prison should you ever get caught. It simply is too easy to buy large amounts.
3. There’s lots of supplies that are needed if you want to do this right, sterilization is important. Add up the cost and the baggage of hauling all this crap around with you should you have to move. A cop searches your vehicle and finds glassware, filters, crimping tool, vials…not good.
4. It’s a pain in the ass to brew. That’s the bottom line. Between sterilizing glassware meticulously, cooking your oil, filtering and more filtering, this step sucks. I can easily spend 6 hours creating a 200ml brew from start to finish.

I could go on with more details, but what I’ve come to realize. Just buy your finished product from someone that has actual testing reports for the actual raws they bought(not the raw source HPLC reports those don’t mean shit), let them do the hard work of creating a sterile pure product and sit back and enjoy life. Sure you save a bundle and it’s always a good idea to keep some raws on hand just in case we have problems in the future getting our stuff, but leave it to the pros until that day comes.

So send it off for testing FTIR harm reduction is free and includes almost all steroids in their library. FTIR is only good for powder though. HPLC for liquid products @ about 150 usd. I will never fathom why everyone is so against testing oh its so much work blahdy fuckin blah. Just order a 1g sample for .60c test them for free using ftir and away you fucking go they can even guess percentages + or minus a few % so if you know the weight you know the concentration.

Everyone hates this when i mention it however its mostly users who bitch at me nd not labs. its so FUCKING easy to get shit tested.

all the other stuff seems accurate tho haha.

Can you link this FTIR harm reduction free testing?

 

[Dexter]

Yeah shoot us a link. This is something I’ve never heard of as a service.

 

[appropionate]

counterpoint: brewing is totally worth it for your personal supply because certain compounds just aren’t available on the market or ridiculously expensive. producing gear exactly to your liking is the best and saves an insane amount of money.

 

[juicyfatpowerlifter]

I have yet to fuck up one batch, and I am not the smartest tool in the shed. As long as you can follow instruction and work in sterile environment, it really is idiot-proof.

Testing the raws is reasonable cheap, I buy in bulk, so one test lasts me for a lot of vials. And knock on wood, so far I have not received any bunk product, it always was exactly what dragon/ppl have sold me.

 

[MiniFridge]

I take a pseudo-guerrilla approach to cut down on “specific” equipment such as using a candle warmer instead of hot plate, and the carafe of my french press can be removed from the frame and used as a beaker. The rest easily fits into a small pelican suitcase I tuck away until I brew, but I am very conservative in my use of PED’s overall so I’m not pumping out liters of oil.

As for the legitimacy of raws I’ll be honest, I’ve never sent off my orders from Dragon for testing. I really should but from what I can tell he has been 100% accurate so far.

Some shit you can get away with just buying from a source but paying $90+ for a vial of Primo is ludicrous when you can buy the raws for $20/g along with another maybe $3-5 in disposable materials and some time.

 

[system]

Dexter" pid='83803' dateline='1583427608:

Don’t do it!

Let me explain…

This is YOUR truth about homebrewing and far from the reality of it. 99% of other people that home brew realize it’s fun, saves you a fortune, you get to know exactly how much BB, BA, EO, what ever, is in your gear and you get to know that your 100, 200, 300 mg/ml is actually 100, 200, 300mg/ml. Sending out gear for testing is not hard as one already stated above. And after ordering gear for a awhile from a TRUSTED supplier and getting to know what gear looks like, this is a non issue.

Also you don’t need to set up a fucking lab and have a half kilo of raws kicking around for personal use lol
You don’t need any sterilization equipment for personal use (use syringe filters, all you need for personal use)
And you shouldn’t have to hide it from your wife in your own damn house man lol gimme a break.
But if all these simple, nearly idiot proof homebrewing concepts and stressing you out, then ya, it definitely sounds like homebrewing isn’t for YOU.

 

[appropionate]

MiniFridge" pid='83893' dateline='1583467217:

Some shit you can get away with just buying from a source but paying $90+ for a vial of Primo is ludicrous when you can buy the raws for $20/g along with another maybe $3-5 in disposable materials and some time.

primo costs less than half that much per vial (100mg/ml) from very reputable sources, which is still expensive of course. primo ace however, that would be my reason for homebrewing!

 

[Dexter]

CApump" pid='83900' dateline='1583472326:

This is YOUR truth about homebrewing and far from the reality of it. 99% of other people that home brew realize it’s fun, saves you a fortune, you get to know exactly how much BB, BA, EO, what ever, is in your gear and you get to know that your 100, 200, 300 mg/ml is actually 100, 200, 300mg/ml. Sending out gear for testing is not hard as one already stated above. And after ordering gear for a awhile from a TRUSTED supplier and getting to know what gear looks like, this is a non issue.

Also you don’t need to set up a fucking lab and have a half kilo of raws kicking around for personal use lol
You don’t need any sterilization equipment for personal use (use syringe filters, all you need for personal use)
And you shouldn’t have to hide it from your wife in your own damn house man lol gimme a break.
But if all these simple, nearly idiot proof homebrewing concepts and stressing you out, then ya, it definitely sounds like homebrewing isn’t for YOU.

You can never really know what you’re using unless you test each component. You are putting in a certain amount of trust with each raw and solvent.

Is your BB, BA, EO repackaged or did it come in the container from the chemical producer, most all of what I’ve seen is repackaged, this is what I’ve used?

You send your raws off for testing, but can you trust that the lab is actually doing quantitative testing and not just a quick qualitative test? Sink testing is real, I know because I’ve worked in laboratories for 25 years and caught fellow workers doing it when they have a large volume of work, and these weren’t dumbasess, they were graduates and even one PhD that later went on to become a medical doctor.

As for syringe filters of .22um they don’t provide complete sterilization. I have tested this out myself by taking a colony of bacteria off a blood agar and making a 0.5 mcfarland standard with saline and placing 20ul cover slipped drop under a phase microscrope and there the bacteria were. This using a whatman .22um syringe filter.

This is why you need to use heat for a sufficient amount of time to make sure you’re injecting something sterile. When I read about guys just using syringe filters with no heat sterilization it makes me cringe.

There’s a whole host of other things to consider, the more you know, the more OCD your brain, the more you realize that we need to just legalize all drugs and make them to pharma standards and get on with our lives.

 

[appropionate]

Dexter" pid='83915' dateline='1583496915:

You can never really know what you’re using unless you test each component.

That’s not unique to raws though but applies to finished products as well, unless you buy straight from the pharmacy (not ‘pharmacies’ or ‘pharma-grade’, haha)

 

[Dexter]

appropionate" pid='83921' dateline='1583500977:

Dexter" pid='83915' dateline='1583496915:

You can never really know what you’re using unless you test each component.

That’s not unique to raws though but applies to finished products as well, unless you buy straight from the pharmacy (not ‘pharmacies’ or ‘pharma-grade’, haha)

Legalizing steroids is the only way we’ll ever really get to the goal of having standardized production, of course that’s not gonna happen for a few decades until a more enlightened generation takes charge.

 

[appropionate]

Dexter" pid='83926' dateline='1583503652:

Legalizing steroids is the only way we’ll ever really get to the goal of having standardized production, of course that’s not gonna happen for a few decades until a more enlightened generation takes charge.

Considering the neurotoxicity of steroids being the subject of evermore studies, I’m actually for outlawing more poisons, with alcohol & cigarettes being the most prominent ones. and sugar of course but this is waaaay off topic.

 

[bottletop]

flashpass123" pid='83833' dateline='1583437686:

bottletop" pid='83812' dateline='1583430860:

Dexter" pid='83803' dateline='1583427608:

Don’t do it!

Let me explain.

1. When you buy raws you have no idea what the hell you’re getting unless you send them off for testing. This isn’t just a question of purity, it’s a question of “did the raws provider send you the right product”. Powders have a distinct look, but most of you don’t know what they look like or smell like even.
2. You will end up accumulating enough raws and paraphernalia to end up in prison should you ever get caught. It simply is too easy to buy large amounts.
3. There’s lots of supplies that are needed if you want to do this right, sterilization is important. Add up the cost and the baggage of hauling all this crap around with you should you have to move. A cop searches your vehicle and finds glassware, filters, crimping tool, vials…not good.
4. It’s a pain in the ass to brew. That’s the bottom line. Between sterilizing glassware meticulously, cooking your oil, filtering and more filtering, this step sucks. I can easily spend 6 hours creating a 200ml brew from start to finish.

I could go on with more details, but what I’ve come to realize. Just buy your finished product from someone that has actual testing reports for the actual raws they bought(not the raw source HPLC reports those don’t mean shit), let them do the hard work of creating a sterile pure product and sit back and enjoy life. Sure you save a bundle and it’s always a good idea to keep some raws on hand just in case we have problems in the future getting our stuff, but leave it to the pros until that day comes.

So send it off for testing FTIR harm reduction is free and includes almost all steroids in their library. FTIR is only good for powder though. HPLC for liquid products @ about 150 usd. I will never fathom why everyone is so against testing oh its so much work blahdy fuckin blah. Just order a 1g sample for .60c test them for free using ftir and away you fucking go they can even guess percentages + or minus a few % so if you know the weight you know the concentration.

Everyone hates this when i mention it however its mostly users who bitch at me nd not labs. its so FUCKING easy to get shit tested.

all the other stuff seems accurate tho haha.

Can you link this FTIR harm reduction free testing?

take you five fucking seconds to google ya lazy cunts https://getyourdrugstested.com/ This is Canadian.
I even told you what to fucking google. “Is it a library or somewhere I can send my drugs to be tested” straight up you shouldn’t be brewing you don’t have the neurons for it. Library meaning “profiles” Ftir is a light based means of testing they take a known compound then measure the results, then use that to compare drugs people send in. Most times they can even tell you how much packing agents were used if they have the profile for that packing agent.
Dexter" pid='83835' dateline='1583439096:

Yeah shoot us a link. This is something I’ve never heard of as a service.

Why did you fucking hands fall off? the link is up there

 

[beefnewton]

Lol, Dexter. I think the reason it’s so time consuming and expensive for you is you’ve damn near replicated an actual pharmaceutical production lab. Your attention to detail and high standard would make you the Heisenberg of steroid sources. I can tell your OpSec would be maxed out, as well. Let me know when you start sourcing!

 

[Masterofron]

bottletop" pid='83929' dateline='1583504591:

flashpass123" pid='83833' dateline='1583437686:

bottletop" pid='83812' dateline='1583430860:

Dexter" pid='83803' dateline='1583427608:

Don’t do it!

Let me explain.

1. When you buy raws you have no idea what the hell you’re getting unless you send them off for testing. This isn’t just a question of purity, it’s a question of “did the raws provider send you the right product”. Powders have a distinct look, but most of you don’t know what they look like or smell like even.
2. You will end up accumulating enough raws and paraphernalia to end up in prison should you ever get caught. It simply is too easy to buy large amounts.
3. There’s lots of supplies that are needed if you want to do this right, sterilization is important. Add up the cost and the baggage of hauling all this crap around with you should you have to move. A cop searches your vehicle and finds glassware, filters, crimping tool, vials…not good.
4. It’s a pain in the ass to brew. That’s the bottom line. Between sterilizing glassware meticulously, cooking your oil, filtering and more filtering, this step sucks. I can easily spend 6 hours creating a 200ml brew from start to finish.

I could go on with more details, but what I’ve come to realize. Just buy your finished product from someone that has actual testing reports for the actual raws they bought(not the raw source HPLC reports those don’t mean shit), let them do the hard work of creating a sterile pure product and sit back and enjoy life. Sure you save a bundle and it’s always a good idea to keep some raws on hand just in case we have problems in the future getting our stuff, but leave it to the pros until that day comes.

So send it off for testing FTIR harm reduction is free and includes almost all steroids in their library. FTIR is only good for powder though. HPLC for liquid products @ about 150 usd. I will never fathom why everyone is so against testing oh its so much work blahdy fuckin blah. Just order a 1g sample for .60c test them for free using ftir and away you fucking go they can even guess percentages + or minus a few % so if you know the weight you know the concentration.

Everyone hates this when i mention it however its mostly users who bitch at me nd not labs. its so FUCKING easy to get shit tested.

all the other stuff seems accurate tho haha.

Can you link this FTIR harm reduction free testing?

take you five fucking seconds to google ya lazy cunts https://getyourdrugstested.com/ This is Canadian.
I even told you what to fucking google. “Is it a library or somewhere I can send my drugs to be tested” straight up you shouldn’t be brewing you don’t have the neurons for it. Library meaning “profiles” Ftir is a light based means of testing they take a known compound then measure the results, then use that to compare drugs people send in. Most times they can even tell you how much packing agents were used if they have the profile for that packing agent.
Dexter" pid='83835' dateline='1583439096:

Yeah shoot us a link. This is something I’ve never heard of as a service.

Why did you fucking hands fall off? the link is up there

Jesus Christ your an asshole, aren’t ya?

 

[beefnewton]

Maybe we should add an Asperger’s subforum.