Updated: Test/Primo/Anavar Cycle Advice [New Cycle]

[savagedude2]

I am looking for some input on an upcoming Test/Primo/Anavar cycle I am planning. I am 37 years old, 5' 7" tall, weigh 160 lbs, and have about 18% body fat. I have been working out for years and can lift decent numbers. I have been on TRT at 200 mg Test Cypionate per week for about 1 year.

I am looking to lean out but also gain some muscle on this cycle. I am attracted to Primobolan and Anavar because they are supposed to be very mild compounds with minimal side effects. I am not really after huge gains in mass that you could get from other compounds.

This will be my second cycle. I previously ran an 8 week cycle of 300 mg Test Cypionate per week and 50 mg Anavar per day. The first cycle I dropped about 6-7 lbs but also gained some muscle. I kept most of the gains in leanness and muscle mass. I am hoping to repeat these results and take it to the next level with the upcoming cycle.

This is what I have in mind:

Week​	Testosterone​	Primobolan​	Anavar​
1​	260 mg​	260 mg​	​
2​	280 mg​	280 mg​
3​	300 mg​	300 mg​
4​	320 mg​	320 mg​
5​	340 mg​	340 mg​
6​	340 mg​	340 mg​
7​	340 mg​	340 mg​
8​	340 mg​	340 mg​
9​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
10​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
11​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
12​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
13​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
14​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
15​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​
16​	340 mg​	340 mg​	75 mg / day​

I have a few questions:

1. I am currently running 200 mg Test Cypionate per week for TRT. The first 4 weeks of the cycle I am planning to jump up to 260 mg and then gradually increase to 340 mg per week. I believe the gradual increase will reduce side effects, specifically acne on the back and shoulders. Am I losing significant gains by not jumping straight to the maximum Test and Primo dosages starting from week 1?

2. Is 75 mg Anavar safe to run for 8 weeks? It is a much higher dosage than I typically see recommended. I have read that higher doses of Anavar are more conductive to muscle growth.

3. Would it be better to run lower Test and Primo dosages for longer? Like run 300 mg of each for 20 weeks total instead of 16.

Any feedback is welcome!

 

[race_camsey]

If your bloodwork is good and you can afford it, id say do 400/400 for 20 weeks. 75mg of Var for 8 weeks is pushing it in my opinion but you'll probably be fine. Just stay on top of supplementation. Keep the fish oil, nac/tudca, berberine and dont forget to do your cardio! Maybe grab some gw50156 and take that on the days you know you'll do cardio. Just my .02. Good luck!

@savagedude2

 

[deeznuts]

5’7”, 160lbs and 18% body fat? Drop everything and focus on eating and training properly.

Also titrating dosages is dumb, don’t do that. Especially because you won’t know how primo affects your E2. But steroids aren’t going to do shit for you if you don’t already know what you’re doing with diet and training and at your height and weight, I’d say you don’t.

 

[imagepb]

Ok #1. Get this titration shit out of your head. It’s stupid! Go all in! If anything you’re going about it backwards and would want to front load the primo. But seriously, just keep dosages steady.

#2. 400 mg of primo minimum. Which also means you’re gonna probably need 500 test minimum. You won’t know this without testing. But I can pretty much assure you, that your e2 will crash at even dosages.

#3. Primo is gonna fuck you up acne wise. Plan on it. Start accutane.

#4. 75 is a decent doze of Anavar if true Var. I’d drop to 60 personally

#5. Get your diet in check

 

[savagedude2]

5’7”, 160lbs and 18% body fat? Drop everything and focus on eating and training properly.

Also titrating dosages is dumb, don’t do that. Especially because you won’t know how primo affects your E2. But steroids aren’t going to do shit for you if you don’t already know what you’re doing with diet and training and at your height and weight, I’d say you don’t.

Are you saying I should have more muscle mass or less body fat? I will try to get a pic this evening, maybe I am less than 18%.

 

[savagedude2]

If your bloodwork is good and you can afford it, id say do 400/400 for 20 weeks. 75mg of Var for 8 weeks is pushing it in my opinion but you'll probably be fine. Just stay on top of supplementation. Keep the fish oil, nac/tudca, berberine and dont forget to do your cardio! Maybe grab some gw50156 and take that on the days you know you'll do cardio. Just my .02. Good luck!

@savagedude2

I just had bloodwork done and everything is looking good!

 

[savagedude2]

Okay so I won't do the titration up to maximum dose! Feedback taken. I will just start at the maximum dosage I can run for the cycle.

The dosages you guys recommend for the Test and Primo are higher than I expected. Is 400 mg Primo really necessary for someone my size? I have enough Primo to run 375 mg per week for 16 weeks. I also am not sure I want to push the Test as high as 500. At 300 mg per week of Test C I was already getting some side effects.

Would weeks 1-16 Test C 400-500 mg and Primo 375 mg be acceptable? I guess I could get some more Primo if really necessary.

 

[imagepb]

Okay so I won't do the titration up to maximum dose! Feedback taken. I will just start at the maximum dosage I can run for the cycle.

The dosages you guys recommend for the Test and Primo are higher than I expected. Is 400 mg Primo really necessary for someone my size? I have enough Primo to run 375 mg per week for 16 weeks. I also am not sure I want to push the Test as high as 500. At 300 mg per week of Test C I was already getting some side effects.

Would weeks 1-16 Test C 400-500 mg and Primo 375 mg be acceptable? I guess I could get some more Primo if really necessary.

Get more primo! Do it right! Don’t fuck around and waste such an expensive product. 400mg of primo is about the bare minimum. It’s about like 200mg of test. IMO. Problem with it is, it crashes e2. You can try 400 primo and 400 test. It may work for your body. But betting you’ll need 500 test at 400 primo.

What sides did you have? Let’s address those. 100% plan on accutane already. Acne is going to explode. So let’s stop it before it starts. Your e2 will be covered by the primo, so don’t worry about an AI.

 

[JDLift]

You can and should run the anavar full length as well. Remember: This is a drug that is actually prescribed to people. It is significantly less harsh on your body than something like Superdrol which sucks after week 3. Anavar can be run year-round if you're not consuming things that are rough on your organs (alcohol, tobacco, recreational drugs, absolute shit food, prescription med abuse) and personally I have found it works best when used in a steady moderate dose over long periods of time rather than trying to elicit a big response in a short cycle. Little bit goes a long way if your source is not bullshitting the product and I believe every source on SST has proven legitimate anavar. Remember: Change takes TIME. The longer your body is under the effects of anabolics, the more growth can be made.

 

[MikeAlstott]

Not trying to give you conflicting advice as a lot of what has already been said by these fellas is good stuff, but I am more in the realm of starting "low" and upping my doses every ~4 weeks or so now. I do this because I'm experienced with the compounds I'm using and I know my body and goals. Since you've never used Primo before, typically start off with a 1:1 Test to Primo ratio and assess from there. You might have to use more Test than Primo as @imagepb said because the Primo might have your E2 a little lower than you like. If you get acne then it is most likely due to hormone fluctuation which should dissipate after a certain period of time. Accutane is definitely a solid solution, but it comes with some trade offs: sore, dry joints is one that I hate. You might not have those negative sides, but who knows. I'd rather not have shitty acne and be self conscious about it though. These are things you have to think about.

In the mean time, for acne prevention, I would try mega dosing Vitamin B5 (5 - 20g a day on cycle), as well as a Vitamin B-Complex.
1000 mg Black Currant Oil twice a day.
If you can get Clindamycin Lotion and Tretinoin, I would start using those on your face, even if you don't have acne, Tretinoin will provide some anti-aging benefits.

 

[imagepb]

Not trying to give you conflicting advice as a lot of what has already been said by these fellas is good stuff, but I am more in the realm of starting "low" and upping my doses every ~4 weeks or so now. I do this because I'm experienced with the compounds I'm using and I know my body and goals. Since you've never used Primo before, typically start off with a 1:1 Test to Primo ratio and assess from there. You might have to use more Test than Primo as @imagepb said because the Primo might have your E2 a little lower than you like. If you get acne then it is most likely due to hormone fluctuation which should dissipate after a certain period of time. Accutane is definitely a solid solution, but it comes with some trade offs: sore, dry joints is one that I hate. You might not have those negative sides, but who knows. I'd rather not have shitty acne and be self conscious about it though. These are things you have to think about.

In the mean time, for acne prevention, I would try mega dosing Vitamin B5 (5 - 20g a day on cycle), as well as a Vitamin B-Complex.
1000 mg Black Currant Oil twice a day.
If you can get Clindamycin Lotion and Tretinoin, I would start using those on your face, even if you don't have acne, Tretinoin will provide some anti-aging benefits.

I know me, and a couple other friends that all got wrecked acne wise from Primo. Almost a year later, and my back is still scarred to hell. Just red spots that allegedly will go away according to dermatologist. But they haven’t all this time later. Funny thing is, Tren wrecks others, but it didn’t do shit to me. But boy primo sure did.

 

[savagedude2]

5’7”, 160lbs and 18% body fat? Drop everything and focus on eating and training properly.

Also titrating dosages is dumb, don’t do that. Especially because you won’t know how primo affects your E2. But steroids aren’t going to do shit for you if you don’t already know what you’re doing with diet and training and at your height and weight, I’d say you don’t.

This is what I look like at 159 lbs:

I think probably between 15% - 18% body fat. I feel like I'm at a decent point to start with gear.

 

[JDLift]

Nigga you're overestimating your body fat. You are already below 15%. Enjoy your cycle

 

[savagedude2]

This is my updated cycle:

Week​	Testosterone​	Primobolan​	Anavar​
1​	500 mg​	400 mg​	​
2​	500 mg​	400 mg​	​
3​	500 mg​	400 mg​	​
4​	500 mg​	400 mg​	​
5​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
6​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
7​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
8​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
9​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
10​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
11​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
12​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
13​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
14​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
15​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
16​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
17​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
18​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
19​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​
20​	500 mg​	400 mg​	50 mg / day​

This is a lot more gear than I had originally planned on. Not sure if I should start at 400 mg / 400 mg and get bloods before going up on Test. Is it safe to run 500 mg Test for 20 weeks straight?

What about 50 mg of Anavar for 16 weeks? At what times in the 16 week period that I am on Anavar should I take NAC and TUDCA? I think you are not supposed to run them for too long.

 

[savagedude2]

You can and should run the anavar full length as well. Remember: This is a drug that is actually prescribed to people. It is significantly less harsh on your body than something like Superdrol which sucks after week 3. Anavar can be run year-round if you're not consuming things that are rough on your organs (alcohol, tobacco, recreational drugs, absolute shit food, prescription med abuse) and personally I have found it works best when used in a steady moderate dose over long periods of time rather than trying to elicit a big response in a short cycle. Little bit goes a long way if your source is not bullshitting the product and I believe every source on SST has proven legitimate anavar. Remember: Change takes TIME. The longer your body is under the effects of anabolics, the more growth can be made.

What dosage of Anavar do you think is safe for 16 (or possibly 20) weeks? I have 25 mg capsules, so I have to run either 25 mg, 50 mg or 75 mg.

 

[savagedude2]

Get more primo! Do it right! Don’t fuck around and waste such an expensive product. 400mg of primo is about the bare minimum. It’s about like 200mg of test. IMO. Problem with it is, it crashes e2. You can try 400 primo and 400 test. It may work for your body. But betting you’ll need 500 test at 400 primo.

What sides did you have? Let’s address those. 100% plan on accutane already. Acne is going to explode. So let’s stop it before it starts. Your e2 will be covered by the primo, so don’t worry about an AI.

Not trying to give you conflicting advice as a lot of what has already been said by these fellas is good stuff, but I am more in the realm of starting "low" and upping my doses every ~4 weeks or so now. I do this because I'm experienced with the compounds I'm using and I know my body and goals. Since you've never used Primo before, typically start off with a 1:1 Test to Primo ratio and assess from there. You might have to use more Test than Primo as @imagepb said because the Primo might have your E2 a little lower than you like. If you get acne then it is most likely due to hormone fluctuation which should dissipate after a certain period of time. Accutane is definitely a solid solution, but it comes with some trade offs: sore, dry joints is one that I hate. You might not have those negative sides, but who knows. I'd rather not have shitty acne and be self conscious about it though. These are things you have to think about.

In the mean time, for acne prevention, I would try mega dosing Vitamin B5 (5 - 20g a day on cycle), as well as a Vitamin B-Complex.
1000 mg Black Currant Oil twice a day.
If you can get Clindamycin Lotion and Tretinoin, I would start using those on your face, even if you don't have acne, Tretinoin will provide some anti-aging benefits.

You guys are making me nervous. I targeted Primo because my research indicated it was one of the most mild compounds with the least side effects. Vigorous Steve on Youtube has a few videos to that effect.

I see some sources on here have Acutane. What dosages of Acutane should I be taking? When should I start the Acutane? I'll pick up the B Vitamins and Black Currant Oil and start taking them before the cycle, too.

 

[JDLift]

What dosage of Anavar do you think is safe for 16 (or possibly 20) weeks? I have 25 mg capsules, so I have to run either 25 mg, 50 mg or 75 mg.

Up to 100mg/day nonstop is pretty easy on the body if you're taking care of yourself generally. All comes down to how much money you wanna drop honestly. I just wanted to advise you not to waste those first 8 weeks getting sub-optimal gains when you could easily throw the oral in there during them as well. So, if you can afford to get 4 more weeks worth then go ahead with 50/day for all 20 weeks. If you don't wanna drop more money on the cycle, even down to 25mg/day is still gonna help and I'd take 20 weeks @25mg/day over 8 weeks @75mg/day anytime. 12 extra weeks to grow, no-brainer for sure.

 

[MikeAlstott]

You guys are making me nervous. I targeted Primo because my research indicated it was one of the most mild compounds with the least side effects. Vigorous Steve on Youtube has a few videos to that effect.

I see some sources on here have Acutane. What dosages of Acutane should I be taking? When should I start the Acutane? I'll pick up the B Vitamins and Black Currant Oil and start taking them before the cycle, too.

If you want to do what Steve does then start low and reassess your cycle every four weeks or so. Don’t start Accutane unless it’s absolutely necessary. The megadosing Vitamin B5 on cycle is something Steve told me to try and it works for me. Black Currant Oil is another supplement he recommended and it has seemed to have a positive effect in my skin so it’s a staple in my routine. If you get acne, like I said, it’s most likely due to hormone fluctuations. Stick it out and make sure your blood work is in check, it will subside. The problem is when people start getting acne, they start fucking around with dosages and don’t let anything level out so it just continues. Remember, everyone is different. You might not even have any problematic side effects.

 

[JDLift]

If you want to do what Steve does then start low and reassess your cycle every four weeks or so. Don’t start Accutane unless it’s absolutely necessary. The megadosing Vitamin B5 on cycle is something Steve told me to try and it works for me. Black Currant Oil is another supplement he recommended and it has seemed to have a positive effect in my skin so it’s a staple in my routine. If you get acne, like I said, it’s most likely due to hormone fluctuations. Stick it out and make sure your blood work is in check, it will subside. The problem is when people start getting acne, they start fucking around with dosages and don’t let anything level out so it just continues. Remember, everyone is different. You might not even have any problematic side effects.

I'd like to tack onto this comment with an anecdote: Acne from gear usage stopped becoming a thing for me around the time that it also naturally stopped being a thing for most of my friends (27 years old or so), and I have not had acne issues since then. 31 now, and whether I'm blasting or cruising I never have acne breakouts. I may get one weird pimple on my eyebrow or lip line, or very rarely one on my forehead that's probably just from not washing my hat often enough tbh. Back acne is easily controlled by showering/rinsing off after you've been sweating a lot, and have your wife/gf shave your back for you as this will keep it down as well. Chest acne has never been a thing, nor arm acne, for me. OP you're 37, you are beyond the point of acne. Remember that some side effects only affect certain portions of users and acne only tends to affect younger ones.

 

[imagepb]

I'd like to tack onto this comment with an anecdote: Acne from gear usage stopped becoming a thing for me around the time that it also naturally stopped being a thing for most of my friends (27 years old or so), and I have not had acne issues since then. 31 now, and whether I'm blasting or cruising I never have acne breakouts. I may get one weird pimple on my eyebrow or lip line, or very rarely one on my forehead that's probably just from not washing my hat often enough tbh. Back acne is easily controlled by showering/rinsing off after you've been sweating a lot, and have your wife/gf shave your back for you as this will keep it down as well. Chest acne has never been a thing, nor arm acne, for me. OP you're 37, you are beyond the point of acne. Remember that some side effects only affect certain portions of users and acne only tends to affect younger ones.

I’ll disagree with this. I’m 41 …. And I stated above, primo literally destroyed my back.

I’ve never had acne in my life. I was blessed with great skin. Even in puberty maybe got 1 pimple every few months. I’m on Tren currently and no acne. I was on high dose of test in Afghanistan and would go days sometimes a week without a shower, and no acne. A couple friends and team guys had exact same experience. I think I remember vigorous Steve saying primo gave him acne too. And ftr my hormone/dosing was very stable and consistent.