Most people on forums are larping and massively bullshitting their weight, body fat %, lifts, and even lie about their doses/protocols. They’ll actually probably reply to my comment and try to cover their asses. A lot of people also talk out their fuckin ass about this stuff and have no legitimate clue what they’re talking about but they think they do because they watched a couple MPMD videos or followed Rich Piana before he died.
The greatest gear success I have seen personally is my fiance using 20mg anavar daily off and on for a year while following programming I wrote for her (7 year lifter, compete in powerlifting) and in her first 2 years of lifting (no prior athletic/sport training, not a generally athletic person, not a genetic freak) she achieved a 385 squat, 230 bench, 365 deadlift and won a few trophies. Her body weight dropped, her muscle mass/frame changed quite dramatically (Not jacked/shredded but like a very muscular 15% bf guy frame kinda; Watery, full, big back/traps/shoulders/thighs/arms and fluffy stomach) and her lifts are considered ‘elite’ in her weight class apparently. She got burned out and bored of powerlifting and hasn;t progressed beyond that point still but this is by far t he most impressive real life enhanced progress I have ever seen and I include my own experience too.
On gear I personally started a natty 230, dropped to 200 on first cycle while adding 40lbs to bench, 70lbs to deadlift and 35lbs to squat (I have a slight disability from spinal surgery so squats suck). I got leaner, but my frame seemed larger at 200 enhanced than 230 natty though that’s probably the illusion of size that comes with being leaner.
Second cycle 200-220, added 20lbs to bench, 5lbs to deadlift, 25lbs to squat (Switched up stances and programming, did a lot less deadlifting this cycle).
Third cycle stayed 220 and recomped, did bodybuilding, was basically offseason just fixing imbalances, posture, working on rep maxes.
Fourth cycle dropped 220-185 on a crash/starvation diet then filled back up to 198, added 10lbs to bench but the single was like RPE7 so I had more but didn’t test it further this cycle since you don’t get a 4th lift in comp, deadlift stayed the same but moved easier subjectively, squat up 10lbs, substantially leaner, harder, more vascular.
Fifth cycle 198-200, added 5lb to bench, 15lb to deadlift, competed push/pull this cycle so no squat numbers. 2lb weight change on the scale looked like a shit load more in reality though; Shoulders and traps plus upper pec at the clavicle really took off big time; I switched programing to not include squatting due to not being needed in the meet and hammered my pressing muscles and back. Managed a 225 strict standing OHP and 230 Log Press and 330 stone to 66 inch platform for fun.
Current stats are 585/375/615, 198lbs AM weight and I’m certainly under 15% body fat but I can’t accurately tell you more than that . I’m not a genetically gifted person, not a crazy responder, never ran over 1G of total gear a week, never ran more than Test + 1 other injectable + 1 oral, never gave a shit about what I eat (Cheesecake every day at one point literally!) and the only variables I take seriously are the programming and the weights I move each session. Some larping morons will say this is shit progress and shit lifts and that’s fine because I can walk into any gym on the planet and be highly likely to outlift all but a small number of people and I look better than most.
Recently I had a guy in my gym tell me he’s on fucking Tren and he was only incline benching 135 and was asking me how I can somehow incline 315. Told him I’m natty and just worked for years. Point is though, not everyone on this shit is equal and VERY FEW people get insane results from this shit.
For most people gear isn’t going to blow you up, make you strong as shit, make you super lean, turn you into a national level athlete, etc. This shit just enhances what YOU could naturally do. There are guys who walk in a gym day 1 and hit a 1000lb total, and there are guys who can’t bench the bar. The guy who hits 1000lb total day 1 is going to be another Larry Wheels type on gear. The guy who can barely bench the bar is going to reach better numbers and physique than they would’ve without gear but they’re never going to be that freak of nature type guy.
I know this is a very long post but I wanted to give you some real insight into gear. I thought a few years ago it would turn me into Ronnie Coleman magically and that just is not the case. You will be better than your natural self but that’s about all you can guarantee with gear. Just give it time, try to stick to structured programming and stay off fucking Instagram and shit; Do not compare some 1/10000000 jacked freak to yourself and get upset that you’re not that person. And of course if this ruins your outlook on gear and what you can achieve then I highly recommend you just hop off it and pursue natty lifting. The reality of gear is not actually what people lie about it to be online with anonymous accounts and no pictures/videos to back themselves up.
