What's Wrong With Me?

[everywhereatonce]

asks for help making gainz
shouts down anyone with experience who tells him why he’s not making gainz

Based on how you talk, you’re still in high school. You’re still way too young to use gear without fucking yourself up, assuming you didn’t already. Come back once you’re 25 and don’t already know everything.

 

[Sparker]

Brochacho_Prime" pid='15246' dateline='1527762791:

You probably don’t know how to eat or train on top of not having a real world functional understanding of gear. You strike me as the type who thinks you’re smart, but instead of gleaning the correct info from all the articles you read, you come away with some half-cocked bullshit based in theoretical mind science on how things “Should Work” according to your very smart brain.
I am a strength athlete. I use test at least at TRT levels 100% of the time. I don’t feel like dogshit. I am sure as fuck stronger than you.

I had a roommate like you in college. He never understood why his “”“Cycles”"" never got him close to the results I got when I just did it normal. The basics are the basics for a reason, you are not smart enough to reinvent the wheel, despite what mommy told you.

This guy hit the nail on the head in his first sentence.
Yes, you should still get some results off all those orals you took without a test base. Considering you don’t know why should take testosterone alongside the orals, I have to assume you don’t know much about gaining strength and muscle. Steroids are NOT magic. You say you’re not interested in gaining weight, just strength, so you’re most likely not eating. You can’t inject some juice and expect to look like Dorian Yates or in your case, as strong as Dan Green. You asked for help and plenty of guys here took the time to do so. You’re the only one here complaining about steroids not working so maybe, just maybe, we’re right and it’s YOU that is wrong. Good luck and I wish you well young man.

 

[Bearslovecheese]

You suppressed yourself to start, and likely jumped on the next compound before you could adequately rebound. Then you suppressed yourself even more.

Test is there for more then just “feeling good.” Testosterone is required for the conversion into Estradiol, DHT, and I -believe- pregnolone and progesterone are also generated via conversion. There are probably other compounds in play as well. Suppressing testosterone levels in the body causes a decrease in these other hormones that are derived from it. This is why TRT treatment is JUST as much about getting E2 dialed in as it is getting testosterone levels up. Hell, a lot of time going on TRT is just as much about having tanked E2 levels. The hormones listed above are required for bodily functions, and if you end up with tanked DHT I promise you’re going to be struggling in the gym as it is a VERY potent actor in stimulating the CNS and providing strength.

You’re suppressing yourself with these orals. And in WAY too rapid frequency to be trying to skirt the HPTA suppression you’re trying to avoid by taking testosterone. I can’t explain why you didn’t see any benefits from your first oral cycle while your test levels weren’t tanked. All I can offer is that some people love and make crazy gains on orals, and some people are stuck with tried and true test gains over time.

I would strongly recommend IF you have a labcorp close by that you order up some bloodwork and see where you’re at. I’m going to assume you don’t have starting/baseline bloodwork. All we can do is work forward from here. Post some stats and I’m sure people would be happy to advise you on whre to go from here. If you’re <20 years old then I’d advocate that you wait a while before experimenting again. This coming from a guy who waited until he was 30 and wished he had gotten onto TRT/blasted way way sooner. I’ve been reading/researching/following this shit since my early 20’s because it’s fascinating.

Just curious, why of all the orals you listed and tried you didn’t try the LEAST suppressive one: Anavar. It’s literally the only “perfect” oral for trying to skate by without testosterone. It’s effects on suppressing cortisol and binding to shbg at very moderate doses really makes it the solid choice for “natty” training but you excluded it. Why?

 

[unknown_v5]

I can only assume this is a troll thread, but on the off chance it’s not lol what the fuck are you doing with your life.

Are you even aware of what low testosterone symptoms are?

You’ve been on substances known to suppress testosterone for around half of the last ten months and now you’re essentially wondering why you’re getting symptoms that parallel a low testosterone state?

Then why are there countless examples of cycles being ran without testosterone that have worked? Why did I not feel Halotestin or Methyltrienolone despite them working in mere hours, before test is suppressed?

Regardless of having it or not, it should not affect how one responds to others.

including the time it’s actually active in your body and the varying degree to which things can shut down testicular testosterone production. Some things shut you down to zero/women levels in two pills. Furthermore, just because it is a testosterone derivative doesn’t mean it’s a replacement for testosterone. As a parallel example, consider that all mainstream fuels are carbon based. Consider also that if I put diesel in your gasoline car, it will fuck shit up even though they’re ostensibly the same thing made of exploding dinosaurs.

Already know this. All your other insults I find confusing considering no one has countered me.

 

[Animutiddies]

This thread gave me cancer.

OP pls.

 

[unknown_v5]

Bearslovecheese" pid='15257' dateline='1527777496:

You suppressed yourself to start, and likely jumped on the next compound before you could adequately rebound. Then you suppressed yourself even more.

Somewhat correct. I waited two months between the first and second, third and fourth, and before the last.

Test is there for more then just “feeling good.” Testosterone is required for the conversion into Estradiol, DHT, and I -believe- pregnolone and progesterone are also generated via conversion. There are probably other compounds in play as well. Suppressing testosterone levels in the body causes a decrease in these other hormones that are derived from it. This is why TRT treatment is JUST as much about getting E2 dialed in as it is getting testosterone levels up. Hell, a lot of time going on TRT is just as much about having tanked E2 levels. The hormones listed above are required for bodily functions, and if you end up with tanked DHT I promise you’re going to be struggling in the gym as it is a VERY potent actor in stimulating the CNS and providing strength.

You’re suppressing yourself with these orals. And in WAY too rapid frequency to be trying to skirt the HPTA suppression you’re trying to avoid by taking testosterone. I can’t explain why you didn’t see any benefits from your first oral cycle while your test levels weren’t tanked. All I can offer is that some people love and make crazy gains on orals, and some people are stuck with tried and true test gains over time.

I certainly never got weaker, only made moderate progress, but you should agree that most of the compounds I took provide strength greater than DHT. They have such strong effects they should be noticed even if one was shutdown. I never even gained the infamous water weight Anadrol is supposed to have.

I would strongly recommend IF you have a labcorp close by that you order up some bloodwork and see where you’re at. I’m going to assume you don’t have starting/baseline bloodwork. All we can do is work forward from here. Post some stats and I’m sure people would be happy to advise you on whre to go from here. If you’re <20 years old then I’d advocate that you wait a while before experimenting again. This coming from a guy who waited until he was 30 and wished he had gotten onto TRT/blasted way way sooner. I’ve been reading/researching/following this shit since my early 20’s because it’s fascinating.

Already have blood work 2.5 months after the last cycle having testosterone of 522 ng/dl compared to my original 657. Didn’t take any others between. I’m not sure how my stats (height, weight, etc) are involved in something like this?

Just curious, why of all the orals you listed and tried you didn’t try the LEAST suppressive one: Anavar. It’s literally the only “perfect” oral for trying to skate by without testosterone. It’s effects on suppressing cortisol and binding to shbg at very moderate doses really makes it the solid choice for “natty” training but you excluded it. Why?

I was more interested in using the stronger steroids. Turinabol was my attempt at using a weaker one but it was no different.

 

[Sparker]

Animutiddies" pid='15266' dateline='1527779230:

This thread gave me cancer.

OP pls.

Damn, haven’t seen you on here since we switched over. Thought you switched to Meso or something

 

[eyetest1]

this thread is really painful to read

 

[10gramsuvtrenEOD]

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Yes.

There is the problem. Oral only cycles are a no go bro

Testosterone is only ran with cycles to feel better and help keep the body running with the hormone that performs normal functions. It in no way would diminish the effects of another compound, especially the powerful ones I’ve tried.

Yeah being shut down and having very low testosterone has no effect on your gains whatsoever.

You’re correct in that including testosterone would help gains, which is obvious, but for someone like me who has no interest in gaining weight but rather strength, I find having a better chance at recover much better than what little strength a weak hormone like that produces over time compared to the others I took.

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CaptainAmerica" pid='15220' dateline='1527737925:

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Yes.

There is the problem. Oral only cycles are a no go bro

Testosterone is only ran with cycles to feel better and help keep the body running with the hormone that performs normal functions. It in no way would diminish the effects of another compound, especially the powerful ones I’ve tried.

i agree that they should do SOMETHING. even without test, I’ve taken orals only when i was younger not knowing shit and i fucking felt it and could see it for sure.

maybe you have shit receptors man, harsh reality but better to accept it than keep fucking yourself up.

what are your goals?
maybe you should try some test lol i think you’ll like it, besides you’ve basicly done every oral there is already . GET ON SOME INJECT BRAHH

Yeah, I thought about the receptor thing, but it didn’t make sense when you take into account my moderate test levels and male sex characteristics (good amount of body hair and voice), especially trying strong androgens.

My next step was to try an injectable form, but I didn’t want to if I didn’t have to. That might have to be the next step.

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everyone here including me is going to recommend at least doing a try dose of test while on anything

 

[Hawk75]

What the fuck did I just read

 

[Jimmygym]

What, are you afraid of needles? You’ve got your answer why it didn’t work and you don’t like it. Keep doing oral only cycles I could care less what you do. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink. You tried it and clearly isn’t working… how about we try a little test and the same exact orals…

 

[VLhUSTNv]

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I can only assume this is a troll thread, but on the off chance it’s not lol what the fuck are you doing with your life.

Are you even aware of what low testosterone symptoms are?

You’ve been on substances known to suppress testosterone for around half of the last ten months and now you’re essentially wondering why you’re getting symptoms that parallel a low testosterone state?

Then why are there countless examples of cycles being ran without testosterone that have worked? Why did I not feel Halotestin or Methyltrienolone despite them working in mere hours, before test is suppressed?

Regardless of having it or not, it should not affect how one responds to others.

including the time it’s actually active in your body and the varying degree to which things can shut down testicular testosterone production. Some things shut you down to zero/women levels in two pills. Furthermore, just because it is a testosterone derivative doesn’t mean it’s a replacement for testosterone. As a parallel example, consider that all mainstream fuels are carbon based. Consider also that if I put diesel in your gasoline car, it will fuck shit up even though they’re ostensibly the same thing made of exploding dinosaurs.

Already know this. All your other insults I find confusing considering no one has countered me.

Two things:

1. Posting this AFTER @“Bearslovecheese” went out of his way to maintain decorum and give you solid advice despite you clearly not deserving it and thereafter ignoring it indicates that this is a waste of everyone’s time.
2. Lol go fuck yourself, no one’s “countering” because this isn’t a debate. You’re shitting in your hand and lobbing it and wondering why we’re not taking you seriously.

 

[Delminio]

This is literally the most retarded shit I’ve read in a while. This weak-minded fuck came here just to argue with other people not looking for advice at all. Fuck him and let him die.

 

[Pharmahgh]

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AQualityPoop" pid='15216' dateline='1527737530:

Wait did you run all of these without a Test base? I’m confused

Yes.

There is the problem. Oral only cycles are a no go bro

Testosterone is only ran with cycles to feel better and help keep the body running with the hormone that performs normal functions. It in no way would diminish the effects of another compound, especially the powerful ones I’ve tried.

Ok I get what your saying and on paper you are correct. But what you have to do is kind of break down each compound. Test is a monster of a muscle builder in my opinion the best.

Halotestin is best used for a few weeks pre contest or for powerlifters on paper It shows to be a monster of a steriod but in real application Its shit for mass. It will get you strong and aggressive. But any of these compounds ran by themselves for such short periods of time you will not see much results. aside from maybe anadrol. The reason people as well as myself use testosterone as a base for a cycle is to prime the body for growth creating the ultimate anabolic atmosphere. Test gets the receptors jumping. Then when you start to push (stack) you will get the most out of your cycle. Like I said in theory and even according to whats on paper you would think you would get results, But its just not done that way. Orals are not meant to be run like that. They are highly toxic especially Mtren I wouldnt touch that If you paid me. Its basically oral tren.

Anadrol Is known not to produce very good results without test It has a very low binding affinity to the AR. Add in some test and bam you have a sick powerful cycle. And you will see results guaranteed.

Can I asked where you got the info to run your cycles like that?

Also I know you said you were worried about shutdown but with orals like MTREN and halo I would be more worried about my liver and kidney.
There is nothing wrong with you. Your just not cycling right. can you get gains from orals only yes but you would have to run them longer with no test in and that is much more unhealthy.

Try running test for 10 weeks at 500mg stacked with drol or dball for 6 weeks and see how your results are. Come off and do a real good pct. Get blood work and let your T levels return to normal. If you dont get results then there is something else going on.

 

[Boozen]

Guys that literally produce the drugs you are putting in your body giving you advice…

“Nope, you’re wrong”

These troll threads are the equivalent of watching videos on /r/publicfreakout. They are entertaining, but they get me so irrationally angry. I don’t know why I do it to myself.

On the other hand, there is some excellent information in this thread concerning why EVERY bit of info regarding orals suggest using Test as a base. There were some things that I was a bit fuzzy on with orals method of action that some of these responses helped clear up.

 

[Box187]

I think you wanted to experiment with steroids without fully committing to the potential negative consequences. You can certainly find posts on random steroid forums where people say they did well on short oral only cycles. But there is a reason why nearly every successful cycle involves injections.

It is easy to come up with a theory, and make the data fit that theory. That is what you did.

 

[unknown_v5]

Well, there’s an obvious consensus that everyone here believes the Earth is the center of the solar system and I am the crazy idiot that claims the Sun is.

I will take your advice and use testosterone along with left over orals I have. If I feel them, I will admit my wrong and apologize, if I dont, I would hope you’d all learn to critically think and to be more open minded.

 

[Boozen]

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Well, there’s an obvious consensus that everyone here believes the Earth is the center of the solar system and I am the crazy idiot that claims the Sun is.

Bad analogy. You are more like a flat-earther arguing with a bunch of amateur astronomers.

 

[RipRich69]

Before you take anything else get bloods done. It seems like your estrogen is way out of range. Also, upload a physique picture to imgur, I am positive that will provide the answer to why these orals you are stuffing down your throat aren’t “doing anything”. Did you come here to practice your debate skills or something?

 

[unknown_v5]

RipRich69" pid='15349' dateline='1527822514:

Before you take anything else get bloods done. It seems like your estrogen is way out of range. Also, upload a physique picture to imgur, I am positive that will provide the answer to why these orals you are stuffing down your throat aren’t “doing anything”. Did you come here to practice your debate skills or something?

I already have, which you’d have known had you read the thread instead of coming up with this bad joke. One’s physique is not going to greatly impact the effects of the compounds. I am neither high in body fat nor lacking muscle.