Would Topical Finast hold a hairline at like a blast dose?

[NamesFrack*Blowswhistle*]

I heard someone say finast holds up until 400 MG - does that sound right?

I’m at 250 a week and hairline is still hanging on. and I’m not losing that motherfucker. I have a baby face, I go bald and I look like a jacked toddler.

I still don’t know what I’m actually gonna run when Im done cutting. Probably below 400

 

[Astarte]

Possibly, possibly not. Are you prone to MPB? I am personally skeptical of topical fin/min at least over their oral versions.

For what it's worth I am/was prone to MPD and oral finasteride, oral minoxidil and ketoconozole shampoo hold my hair just fine at 750mg and that's just the highest I've experimented with. Ru58841 worth checking out as well.

If you're fine at 250 it's not like bumping up to 400 is gonna make you immediately lose all your hair. You'll have time to react before it becomes noticeable and it's not hard to regrow any lost ground.

 

[PCT4ME]

Hair loss isn't hair falling out. That's a hormonal disruption of the growth cycle. Hair loss is the gradual thinning of hair shafts until they disappear as DHT slowly kills the stem cells that produce hair. You don't notice that shit until you've lost at least 60% of hairs in an area.

Orals work much better than topicals. Dut/Minox oral is the most potent, proven protection protocol there is, and you should probobly stay on it permanently if you like your hair, just upping dose while on blast.

Remember, Fin/Dut and Minoxidil all induce some temporary hair shedding in the first few weeks of use before stronger hairs grow back. It take 6 months to really begin to see the benefit, but protection against permanent damage starts immediately after taking fin or dut.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I have shitty hair genetics and use Rogaine & RU every night, microneedle for couple minutes once a week.

It's been working so far through a few blasts.

 

[NamesFrack*Blowswhistle*]

Hair loss isn't hair falling out. That's a hormonal disruption of the growth cycle. Hair loss is the gradual thinning of hair shafts until they disappear as DHT slowly kills the stem cells that produce hair. You don't notice that shit until you've lost at least 60% of hairs in an area.

Orals work much better than topicals. Dut/Minox oral is the most potent, proven protection protocol there is, and you should probobly stay on it permanently if you like your hair, just upping dose while on blast.

Remember, Fin/Dut and Minoxidil all induce some temporary hair shedding in the first few weeks of use before stronger hairs grow back. It take 6 months to really begin to see the benefit, but protection against permanent damage starts immediately after taking fin or dut.

Yeah Im pretty comfortable with topical. No side effects. I think I'm gonna just bump up to 7.5 when I blast. Then go back down

 

[Eatforsize]

I have shitty hair genetics and use Rogaine & RU every night, microneedle for couple minutes once a week.

It's been working so far through a few blasts.

Is the RU your referring to that RU58841 stuff? If so my cousin was recently telling me about it and swears by it…might give it a shot on top of my hims finasteride+minoxidil

 

[BamaCrazy]

Yeah Im pretty comfortable with topical. No side effects. I think I'm gonna just bump up to 7.5 when I blast. Then go back down

Unless you are prone to male pattern baldness I would not take high risk orals like fin/dut on the off chance you might lose some hair. Those drugs aren’t good for you at all. Stick with topical.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Is the RU your referring to that RU58841 stuff? If so my cousin was recently telling me about it and swears by it…might give it a shot on top of my hims finasteride+minoxidil

Yes. I put 5% in a little spray bottle and use it every night.

I've been avoiding orals due to the potential erectile dysfunction (yes I know people are very opinionated about this)

 

[BamaCrazy]

Yes. I put 5% in a little spray bottle and use it every night.

I've been avoiding orals due to the potential erectile dysfunction (yes I know people are very opinionated about this)

People may have opinions but common side effects of those drugs are ED, libido issues and ejaculation issues. Plus depression. And some men report that their ED continued long after stopping those drugs.

 

[AlexDavis43]

People may have opinions but common side effects of those drugs are ED, libido issues and ejaculation issues. Plus depression. And some men report that their ED continued long after stopping those drugs.

the people saying that's bullshit are all taking Cialis Daily

completely unrelated I'm sure

 

[NamesFrack*Blowswhistle*]

the people saying that's bullshit are all taking Cialis Daily

completely unrelated I'm sure

And every single person here is on gear, so I don't see your point?

If I was natty I wouldn't need to take Finasteride. That being said, I'm more comfortable with topical.

 

[Astarte]

People may have opinions but common side effects of those drugs are ED, libido issues and ejaculation issues. Plus depression. And some men report that their ED continued long after stopping those drugs.

I am skeptical of ED/libido claims about finasteride for two main reasons.

1. Occam's razor. Most people who notice they're balding and thus will hop on finasteride are already at the age where libido and sex hormones are naturally declining. Noticing hair loss can cause stress and lack of confidence. Libido is incredibly susceptible to mental health declines and placebo.

2. Finasteride reduces DHT by only around 70% at most protocols. Even if we're assuming some people are particularly DHT sensitive when it comes to libido, that's not really a huge decrease - especially for those who are taking appreciable dosages of testosterone. That 70% reduction could take someone on 500mgs of test to just normal levels of DHT.

The idea that finasteride can cause permanent side effects like that seems to be complete bullshit. Under what method of action could finasteride possibly cause permanent effects on libido? It has a half life of 6 hours and impact on 5ar type 2 can last for maybe a month if we're being generous. It's more likely a continuation of my first point. If we're to assume that even when hormones return to baseline libido wouldn't return then the discussion becomes "what part of the brain/reproductive system does finasteride damage that hasn't been caught by any study yet" which sounds implausible - but I'm not outright rejecting its possibility.

Nuking DHT post-puberty shouldn't cause it. Plenty of people have tried nandrolone monotherapy or outright female hrt and then when they quit libido and pp function returned to normal, so doesn't make sense to blame any purported mental effects on the period of time dht is lowered (and again, not even by that crazy much). So for any argument for permanent loss of libido from finasteride can really only come from a place of finasteride causing some kind of damage which presumably would be able to be measured.

 

[JDLift]

Make a choice about what matters more to you: Keeping your hair looking healthy and full, or running steroids. Are you competing at a level that can get you national or world level placements? Close enough to national or world records to break them in one or more lifts? A competitive athlete whose income comes from performance and maintaining/improving it? If you're not any of those things, and you're worried a lot about your hair, I have to recommend just passing on the enhanced path. You can always hop on later in life once age takes your hair naturally anyway and pick it all back up without concern since you'll be shaving your head by that point already.

 

[PCT4ME]

I am skeptical of ED/libido claims about finasteride for two main reasons.

1. Occam's razor. Most people who notice they're balding and thus will hop on finasteride are already at the age where libido and sex hormones are naturally declining. Noticing hair loss can cause stress and lack of confidence. Libido is incredibly susceptible to mental health declines and placebo.

2. Finasteride reduces DHT by only around 70% at most protocols. Even if we're assuming some people are particularly DHT sensitive when it comes to libido, that's not really a huge decrease - especially for those who are taking appreciable dosages of testosterone. That 70% reduction could take someone on 500mgs of test to just normal levels of DHT.

The idea that finasteride can cause permanent side effects like that seems to be complete bullshit. Under what method of action could finasteride possibly cause permanent effects on libido? It has a half life of 6 hours and impact on 5ar type 2 can last for maybe a month if we're being generous. It's more likely a continuation of my first point. If we're to assume that even when hormones return to baseline libido wouldn't return then the discussion becomes "what part of the brain/reproductive system does finasteride damage that hasn't been caught by any study yet" which sounds implausible - but I'm not outright rejecting its possibility.

Nuking DHT post-puberty shouldn't cause it. Plenty of people have tried nandrolone monotherapy or outright female hrt and then when they quit libido and pp function returned to normal, so doesn't make sense to blame any purported mental effects on the period of time dht is lowered (and again, not even by that crazy much). So for any argument for permanent loss of libido from finasteride can really only come from a place of finasteride causing some kind of damage which presumably would be able to be measured.

Yes nuking DHT can cause a loss of libido.

No it isn't permanent.

I can forgive the hysterics who know nothing about hormones believing the nonsense, but given we know so much more, including how screwing up in any myriad of ways can mess up libido, never in a permanent way, it's always a little disappointing to see that baseless fear in our community.

Like crashing e2 sucks and takes a while to recover, the same applies with 5-ARs. Best to start with a low dose and see how it goes than a "standard" dose of fin or dit and discover it's too much.

The reason I'm not a fan of topical ARs is because I am very sensitive, and you really can't control systemic levels with a topical the way you can with an oral.

By the way, most men are going to experience male patter hairloss. By the time it's an issue you can notice, you've lost a tremendous amount of ground you won't be able to recover.

My opinion is to try a microdose and see how it goes. Most experience no libido reduction at normal doses, at microdoses the risk is minuscule, and again, just stop if it's intolerable.

Besides hair loss, most of us will suffer from our ever enlarging prostate, ending up on a 5-AR or on the operating table. A 5-AR for hair loss early can prevent that from ever becoming an issue as well.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Yes nuking DHT can cause a loss of libido.

No it isn't permanent.

I can forgive the hysterics who know nothing about hormones believing the nonsense, but given we know so much more, including how screwing up in any myriad of ways can mess up libido, never in a permanent way, it's always a little disappointing to see that baseless fear in our community.

Like crashing e2 sucks and takes a while to recover, the same applies with 5-ARs. Best to start with a low dose and see how it goes than a "standard" dose of fin or dit and discover it's too much.

The reason I'm not a fan of topical ARs is because I am very sensitive, and you really can't control systemic levels with a topical the way you can with an oral.

By the way, most men are going to experience male patter hairloss. By the time it's an issue you can notice, you've lost a tremendous amount of ground you won't be able to recover.

My opinion is to try a microdose and see how it goes. Most experience no libido reduction at normal doses, at microdoses the risk is minuscule, and again, just stop if it's intolerable.

Besides hair loss, most of us will suffer from our ever enlarging prostate, ending up on a 5-AR or on the operating table. A 5-AR for hair loss early can prevent that from ever becoming an issue as well.

If you are not prone to male pattern baldness you should not take toxic ass drugs like fin/dut. Take your pharmaceutical loving ass somewhere else Ghoul. If I’d listen to your stupid shit I’d be shedding hair for no reason. I’m in my 50’s, ran high doses of Mast and Primo and didn’t lose shit.

Don’t start your nonsense here.

 

[NutritoNerd]

I have shitty hair genetics and use Rogaine & RU every night, microneedle for couple minutes once a week.

It's been working so far through a few blasts.

RU is very underrated, very effective, especially when stacked with topical midoxinal and oral finastride. Literally grew 2 inches back of my hairline (I don't have MPB but i do have the nasty widows peak recession)

 

[Astarte]

Yes nuking DHT can cause a loss of libido.

No it isn't permanent.

I can forgive the hysterics who know nothing about hormones believing the nonsense, but given we know so much more, including how screwing up in any myriad of ways can mess up libido, never in a permanent way, it's always a little disappointing to see that baseless fear in our community.

Agree 100%. I can totally see why people that aren't at all into pharmacology or knowledgeable about hormones could buy into the "permanent fin ED" fearmongering but it's a little silly for us. Like you said there's tons of things in the PED world that can fuck up libido, but no one ever claims deca dick is permanent.

If you are not prone to male pattern baldness you should not take toxic ass drugs like fin/dut. Take your pharmaceutical loving ass somewhere else Ghoul. If I’d listen to your stupid shit I’d be shedding hair for no reason. I’m in my 50’s, ran high doses of Mast and Primo and didn’t lose shit.

Don’t start your nonsense here.

Fin is a "toxic ass drug" now? Really? What exactly makes it so toxic? It's one of the most well tolerated drugs out there. Side effects are reported in less than 2% of participants in some studies, around 6% in others. And the side effects that are reported are honestly not serious and may also simply be psychosomatic or caused by other factors.

"Pharmaceutical loving ass" my friend you are literally on a website devoted to injecting constituted chinese powder into your ass.

 

[NamesFrack*Blowswhistle*]

Agree 100%. I can totally see why people that aren't at all into pharmacology or knowledgeable about hormones could buy into the "permanent fin ED" fearmongering but it's a little silly for us. Like you said there's tons of things in the PED world that can fuck up libido, but no one ever claims deca dick is permanent.

Fin is a "toxic ass drug" now? Really? What exactly makes it so toxic? It's one of the most well tolerated drugs out there. Side effects are reported in less than 2% of participants in some studies, around 6% in others. And the side effects that are reported are honestly not serious and may also simply be psychosomatic or caused by other factors.

"Pharmaceutical loving ass" my friend you are literally on a website devoted to injecting constituted chinese powder into your ass.

Fasho you gotta seperate the minor libido effects that subside from the "Finasteride syndrome" shit.
Minor libido effects I can handle. As a gearhead. In fact, I welcome it --- take me down from 200% libido to 180%.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Agree 100%. I can totally see why people that aren't at all into pharmacology or knowledgeable about hormones could buy into the "permanent fin ED" fearmongering but it's a little silly for us. Like you said there's tons of things in the PED world that can fuck up libido, but no one ever claims deca dick is permanent.

Fin is a "toxic ass drug" now? Really? What exactly makes it so toxic? It's one of the most well tolerated drugs out there. Side effects are reported in less than 2% of participants in some studies, around 6% in others. And the side effects that are reported are honestly not serious and may also simply be psychosomatic or caused by other factors.

"Pharmaceutical loving ass" my friend you are literally on a website devoted to injecting constituted chinese powder into your ass.

You don’t know the history of that poster. He’s an infection on steroids forums. He doesn’t use gear. He doesn’t lift. He uses ChatGPT to give medical advice to PED users. He’s been banned multiple times from Meso for racism and harassing sources. And now that infection is here on SST trying the same shit.

Now, back to fin/dut. While most of these studies used higher doses and the drugs were used for long periods of time, the risks still exist. If you are not susceptible to male pattern baldness the risks are not worth it.

Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm - PMC

5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) is the most potent natural androgen. 5α-DHT elicits a multitude of physiological actions, in a host of tissues, including prostate, seminal vesicles, hair follicles, skin, kidney, and lacrimal and meibomian glands. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Although many clinical studies claimed that finasteride and dutasteride ‘are safe and tolerable’ [7], new emerging evidence suggests that finasteride and dutasteride induce metabolic dysfunction, such as hyperglycemia [16], IR [13,16], liver fat accumulation [12,14], liver steatosis and liver fibrosis [12,14], and T2DM [17]. It should be noted that many reported clinical trials failed to incorporate specific measures of metabolic dysfunction (e.g., liver lipid accumulation; hyperglycemia, IR) as primary or secondary end points, in order to evaluate the effects of these drugs on metabolic dysfunction [9,10].”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/hair-loss-drug-finasteride-side-effects-1.7483898

“But 25 people interviewed by CBC/Radio Canada during a six-month investigation of finasteride's side-effects tell a different story. They say the drug caused sexual, psychological and physical side-effects for them that have lasted months if not years after they ceased taking the drug.”

Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm - PubMed

5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) is the most potent natural androgen. 5α-DHT elicits a multitude of physiological actions, in a host of tissues, including prostate, seminal vesicles, hair follicles, skin, kidney, and lacrimal and meibomian glands. However, the physiological role of 5α-DHT in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“This treatment may result in development of non-alcoholic fatty liver diseases (NAFLD), insulin resistance (IR), type 2 diabetes (T2DM), dry eye disease, potential kidney dysfunction, among other metabolic dysfunctions. We suggest that long-term use of finasteride and dutasteride may be associated with health risks including NAFLD, IR, T2DM, dry eye disease and potential kidney disease.

 

[lifter6973]

You don’t know the history of that poster. He’s an infection on steroids forums. He doesn’t use gear. He doesn’t lift. He uses ChatGPT to give medical advice to PED users. He’s been banned multiple times from Meso for racism and harassing sources. And now that infection is here on SST trying the same shit.

Are we sure this isn't a Ghoul copycat? IDK why he wouldn't just use the same name. I mean I get using a different name if you can't use your original on a board but that is not the case here. Anyway, yeah, he seems a lot like Ghoul.

Me, I don't have a huge beef but I get it if others do. Sure he argues a lot with many and can get under the skin of some but I've also seen some good points in his posts whether they be ChatGPT or not.