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bjjgear

bjjgear

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1dayatatime said:
Good info. What do you consider a low dose? Would you mind sharing your thoughts on different dosages, protocols and results in your experience?

I would pay good money to get 8-9 hours of sleep regularly. Don’t have trouble sleeping just struggle with making the time to do it.
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I would suggest starting at 2IU for a couple of weeks and seeing how you feel. Titrate up the dose - or don’t.

A lot of people don’t understand with GH and anabolics - the dose is the poison. You have to experiment to find the right balance for you and that’s going to be highly individual.

Don’t expect a sleep miracle. It never mattered for mine and makes some people’s worse.
 
kits4less

kits4less

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Bigdovis2 said:
Are yall still going to produce gear? I remember yall said sometime in February back in Jan. I had forgotten until now.
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Yes. There is no ETA as of this time.
CaffeineandKilos said:
Y'all know when you'll have your injectable l carnitine blend back in stock?
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No longer going to be stocking it unfortunately, like mentioned above about the glutathione/enhanced water, you can email me if you need a source for the same product.
 
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AlexDavis43

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bjjgear said:
Don’t expect a sleep miracle. It never mattered for mine and makes some people’s worse.
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Same but I 100% support those who get a placebo effect of improved sleep from GH.

Training diet and drugs can't go very far if you're not sleeping well.
 
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Gearjunkie45

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Has anyone ran both Opti's grey tops and K4L Supreme batch? Can anyone provide a comparison in quality if so? Currently running low on my Opti Grey Top stash, was thinking of replacing it with K4L supreme!
 
KNC

KNC

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Redundant question
Sorry guys, first time using generic growth.
I purchased the Deluxe kit and it's around 190 iu per kit. How much water do I add and what do I pull my slin pin back to in order to get 2,3 iu? The only peptide I ever use is MT2 and the only growth has been Genotropin Pfizer pens. Thanks in advance for any assistance!
 
bjjgear

bjjgear

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KNC said:
Redundant question
Sorry guys, first time using generic growth.
I purchased the Deluxe kit and it's around 190 iu per kit. How much water do I add and what do I pull my slin pin back to in order to get 2,3 iu? The only peptide I ever use is MT2 and the only growth has been Genotropin Pfizer pens. Thanks in advance for any assistance!
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Each vial would be 19 IU opposed to the standard 10 IU, therefore you'd want 1.9ml per vial instead of the standard 1.0ml.
 
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chev8689

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Bloodwork results:

Me: 35/m, on TRT doses and maybe a handful of cycles over the last decade.
Dose: 10iu every day as 2iu AM, 2iu afternoon, 2iu before bed. Likely more since the kits are labeled as slightly over-dosed.
Diet: 3700 cal for growth
Other meds: Test E 350/wk, dosed daily. Masteron 280/wk, dosed daily.
Method: Injected 1 full vial of Kits4Less Batch E intramuscularly in the left deltoid in a fasted state exactly 120 min prior to blood draw at 0600. Draw was done fasted at 0800, almost exactly.
Other relevant info: E2 showed 48 via ECLIA method. Liver AST/ALT/GGT all within range.

Result:

GH Serum - 22.7
IGF-1 - 461

Not sure how I feel about this. I've seen others post results with GH serum from the Deluxe kits showing in the 40's, was just hoping for some higher numbers... Maybe it's something i'm doing wrong, or i'm just not a great responder or something. I have been getting some GH sides such as water retention, but none of the hand tingling or anything. I guess I could be eating more? I suppose maybe if I can get my E2 higher I will get better IGF-1 conversion from the liver, so i'll try increasing my test dose.
 

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kits4less

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chev8689 said:
Bloodwork results:

Me: 35/m, on TRT doses and maybe a handful of cycles over the last decade.
Dose: 10iu every day as 2iu AM, 2iu afternoon, 2iu before bed. Likely more since the kits are labeled as slightly over-dosed.
Diet: 3700 cal for growth
Other meds: Test E 350/wk, dosed daily. Masteron 280/wk, dosed daily.
Method: Injected 1 full vial of Kits4Less Batch E intramuscularly in the left deltoid in a fasted state exactly 120 min prior to blood draw at 0600. Draw was done fasted at 0800, almost exactly.
Other relevant info: E2 showed 48 via ECLIA method. Liver AST/ALT/GGT all within range.

Result:

GH Serum - 22.7
IGF-1 - 461

Not sure how I feel about this. I've seen others post results with GH serum from the Deluxe kits showing in the 40's, was just hoping for some higher numbers... Maybe it's something i'm doing wrong, or i'm just not a great responder or something. I have been getting some GH sides such as water retention, but none of the hand tingling or anything. I guess I could be eating more? I suppose maybe if I can get my E2 higher I will get better IGF-1 conversion from the liver, so i'll try increasing my test dose.
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How long were you running the HGH at that dose before testing IGF? Off the top of my head I would expect a middle of the bell curve results to be around 550-650 on that dose, but without knowing your baseline it's difficult to say if the results are good, bad, or exceptional. That all said, if you feel you met all the criteria listed for IGF-1 testing store credit, please shoot me an email! Thanks for sharing these :)
 
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chev8689

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kits4less said:
How long were you running the HGH at that dose before testing IGF? Off the top of my head I would expect a middle of the bell curve results to be around 550-650 on that dose, but without knowing your baseline it's difficult to say if the results are good, bad, or exceptional. That all said, if you feel you met all the criteria listed for IGF-1 testing store credit, please shoot me an email! Thanks for sharing these :)
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I had been been running this dose for about 5 weeks prior to the test. I will bump up my calories and re-test in a few weeks. Just out of curiosity, how long does it typically take in your experience for a given dose of GH to be reflected as IGF-1?
 
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chev8689 said:
I had been been running this dose for about 5 weeks prior to the test. I will bump up my calories and re-test in a few weeks. Just out of curiosity, how long does it typically take in your experience for a given dose of GH to be reflected as IGF-1?
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5-6 weeks I think is kind of the standard for the minimum period to wait before testing. That said, I honestly am not sure if waiting say, 8-12 weeks, would show a higher result. Of course the results will plateau at some point, but I am not exactly sure where that point lies for most people. A bit embarassed to say it's not exactly my wheelhouse, although it should be. Maybe someone more knowledgable can chime in on that particular point.
 
bjjgear

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kits4less said:
5-6 weeks I think is kind of the standard for the minimum period to wait before testing. That said, I honestly am not sure if waiting say, 8-12 weeks, would show a higher result. Of course the results will plateau at some point, but I am not exactly sure where that point lies for most people. A bit embarassed to say it's not exactly my wheelhouse, although it should be. Maybe someone more knowledgable can chime in on that particular point.
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I have always done 6 weeks and feel as though my results have been accurate within that timeframe. This is a fairly high quality thread on the topic:

 
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xonstruxt

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Regarding sides, I've heard people taking about hand tingling and swelling but not trigger finger. For context, I had trigger finger surgery on 2 fingers on 1 hand about 4 years ago so there's a history but since starting k4l a few months ago and bt 3-5 iu/day I've noticed trigger finger symptoms on my other hand as well. It's minor, just a slight catch when I close my hand, anyone else deal with this?
 
Apexgym90

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makeway said:
Yeah… me too. I’m hoping it has something to do with my liver enzymes.

I started with Deluxe B and am now on standard E. I have 3 boxes of standard left and two boxes of supreme.

I’m hoping for a +50% IGF1 elevation on this next test in comparison to my previous. If that’s still off, I’ll see if I get different results from supreme.
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Does hgh mess with your liver enzymes? Never heard of that
 
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jackmeoff2

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1dayatatime said:
Good info. What do you consider a low dose? Would you mind sharing your thoughts on different dosages, protocols and results in your experience?

I would pay good money to get 8-9 hours of sleep regularly. Don’t have trouble sleeping just struggle with making the time to do it.
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I think anything under 4 IU should not be taken before bed in my opinion. You don’t want to replace what you would produce anyways and that is when we pulse hgh.

I take 2.5 IU all in the morning. Another good time to take hgh is pre workout, taken with carbs and insulin. Hgh more or less turns fat into glucose, lifting generates the demand for glucose in lean tissue. Add more glucose and insulin to drive the glucose in cells and you’ll experience pumps of the gods. Of course, anabolics only tilt the p ratio further toward lean mass. Add in some anadrol and for at least 30 min you’ll look like a professional bodybuilder.

So I guess it depends on goals. If taking hgh for fat loss/anti aging, 2-3 IU in the AM. If taking hgh for maximum recovery, 4- whatever you can afford/tolerate pre bed. If taking hgh to assist mass gains, 2- whatever you can afford/tolerate pre workout with carbs and insulin. These aren’t mutually exclusive either. You can take hgh at all 3 of these intervals.
 
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