300mg of test or 500mg?

[Z50000]

I’m probably going to end up being a “wimp” and starting out at 250-300 that’s just because I’m testing the waters. I had a friend that did 300mg and he gained 20lbs which is crazy. So I can only pray for that

 

[BINGBONG]

I’m probably going to end up being a “wimp” and starting out at 250-300 that’s just because I’m testing the waters. I had a friend that did 300mg and he gained 20lbs which is crazy. So I can only pray for that

Brother that's not u being a wimp. Go with ur gut. Once u go 500, where do u go next cycle? 600? 700? Fuck that. Start at 250 ur receptors are fresh ur going to get awesome gains with minimal sides IF ur diet and training are dialed in.

My first go was only 225mg and I gained 18lbs, strict diet and training, and had blood levels of 2000ng. Granted not everyone hyper responds but u can always go up next cycle if ur not thrilled. Get blood work at week 6 n see where ur levels are at that'll tell u if ur a good responder or not. Have aromasin, nolva, and maybe raloxifene on hand just in case ur E2 goes bonkers.

Enjoy the gains, post ur bloods when u get them

 

[Z50000]

Brother that's not u being a wimp. Go with ur gut. Once u go 500, where do u go next cycle? 600? 700? Fuck that. Start at 250 ur receptors are fresh ur going to get awesome gains with minimal sides IF ur diet and training are dialed in.

My first go was only 225mg and I gained 18lbs, strict diet and training, and had blood levels of 2000ng. Granted not everyone hyper responds but u can always go up next cycle if ur not thrilled. Get blood work at week 6 n see where ur levels are at that'll tell u if ur a good responder or not. Have aromasin, nolva, and maybe raloxifene on hand just in case ur E2 goes bonkers.

Enjoy the gains, post ur bloods when u get them

Thanks brother I really appreciate that. We’ll start at either 250 mg or 300 and we’ll go from there! Happy gains fellas!!!

 

[coupastar]

Just a question for y’all, soon I’ll be hopping on my first cycle and I’m stuck between starting off with 300mg of test or 500mg. I realize that usually the more mg the more likely side effects will show up. However, I didn’t know if it was worth it starting off with 300 or 250 because I’m shutting down my natural test levels anyways. Yalls help is much appreciated!

Hey man ! If you watch Derek I'm sure you watch others. Let's say you start 500 the way you eat train may not be best so you'll almost waste it too. You'll learn more each cycle. Look up PEfitness . Good stuff.
If your young and and want to do this for long run . Start low 300-350. Because if you start high next time you'll need to go higher. And somehow get bloods done during to,so you know how your body converts everything. Everyone is different and everyone responds diffrent.

 

[Z50000]

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Hey man ! If you watch Derek I'm sure you watch others. Let's say you start 500 the way you eat train may not be best so you'll almost waste it too. You'll learn more each cycle. Look up PEfitness . Good stuff.
If your young and and want to do this for long run . Start low 300-350. Because if you start high next time you'll need to go higher. And somehow get bloods done during to,so you know how your body converts everything. Everyone is different and everyone responds diffrent.

I just checked him out! Great information I gained from his videos, I appreciate you for bringing him up brother!!

 

[ChevoGuap]

I disagree with all the 500mg a week shit lol.

I get sides from 100 mg a week TRT , if I did 500, my blood would be thick as yogurt lol.

but do what you feel is right for yourself - and get bloodwork - everyone is different - I respond pretty well to 100mg a week test and 300mg EQ when I did that a couple years back my test was in the 2000s range , test for me is very side effect driven , but orals also fuck me up. so again just listen to your body and not the amount - and bloodwork

this was my bloodwork from 100mg test and 300mg EQ a week and also 50mg Adrol

maybe the EQ was actually test LOL idk got it from colonial back in the day.

If you get sides from 100mg of TRT then you should realize you are an anomaly and shouldn't be giving people advice based on your 0.0001% experience.

If there are dozens of people saying 500mg works, and like 5 people saying 300mg.... Use common sense.

And OP, you don't test the waters with testosterone. You've had it in your system since you were a fetus developing in your mom's womb. You probably had insane amounts during your teenage years equivalent to a small blast. I'm going to put this as simply as possible so don't take it personally. Stop being a pussy. Steroids are not a fad that you try out because you're bored.. You decide to use them or not. Every cycle is going to risk taking a few months off your life, so you want to get the most out of them. Do you want to take 6 months off your life to have slightly above average levels?

 

[ChevoGuap]

Hey man ! If you watch Derek I'm sure you watch others. Let's say you start 500 the way you eat train may not be best so you'll almost waste it too. You'll learn more each cycle. Look up PEfitness . Good stuff.
If your young and and want to do this for long run . Start low 300-350. Because if you start high next time you'll need to go higher. And somehow get bloods done during to,so you know how your body converts everything. Everyone is different and everyone responds diffrent.

He should not be touching steroids if he does not have his diet and training down.

Stop advocating for 18 year olds to start using low dose gear when they first step into a gym.

 

[pearineum]

If you get sides from 100mg of TRT then you should realize you are an anomaly and shouldn't be giving people advice based on your 0.0001% experience.

If there are dozens of people saying 500mg works, and like 5 people saying 300mg.... Use common sense.

And OP, you don't test the waters with testosterone. You've had it in your system since you were a fetus developing in your mom's womb. You probably had insane amounts during your teenage years equivalent to a small blast. I'm going to put this as simply as possible so don't take it personally. Stop being a pussy. Steroids are not a fad that you try out because you're bored.. You decide to use them or not. Every cycle is going to risk taking a few months off your life, so you want to get the most out of them. Do you want to take 6 months off your life to have slightly above average levels?

ok bro lol , because trying to provide the potential sides of a subject is a bad input.

and saying 500 works doesn't mean 500 is good for you or that you couldn't have used less- so you should use common sense. using more obvious will work- I never said it doesn't work .

the classic "stop being a pussy " line - that's how I know you're not a very good person to listen to.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

MPMD is full of shit. He got swole by blasting high amounts of test, deca, tren, etc.

Now that he is rich he is telling people to use low dose.... But he himself didn't even use low dose. Stop listening to that dipshit selling fake test boosters

They always do that. When low dose doesn't work as well as they say it does, they have a fucking MAGIC PILL to sell you to make it better. I still can't believe so many idiots fall for this shit.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

Just a question for y’all, soon I’ll be hopping on my first cycle and I’m stuck between starting off with 300mg of test or 500mg. I realize that usually the more mg the more likely side effects will show up. However, I didn’t know if it was worth it starting off with 300 or 250 because I’m shutting down my natural test levels anyways. Yalls help is much appreciated!

500mg and titrate down if the sides are overwhelming. Always have an AI like Aromasin on hand just in case. Start with a short acting ester like Test Prop so you can change dosage fairly fast. You need to see how YOUR body responds. On average 500mg Test Only ain't going to do crap to your health markers if you're otherwise healthy. Don't listen to any scaremongering dumbass that says it will. Is it possible that you lose the genetic lottery and get massive man boobs in the first month? Sure, but you have the same chances of that as winning the regular lottery. If you're scared of ultra-rare consequences from average doses then don't do steroids.

That being said all those things the "dumbasses" say about low doses start ringing true when you get yourself above 1000mg/week. The benefits taper off while the risks get exponentially larger the higher you go. But do you what want, you're an adult and have the information to make your own decision.

 

[Gbunk]

Hey man ! If you watch Derek I'm sure you watch others. Let's say you start 500 the way you eat train may not be best so you'll almost waste it too. You'll learn more each cycle. Look up PEfitness . Good stuff.
If your young and and want to do this for long run . Start low 300-350. Because if you start high next time you'll need to go higher. And somehow get bloods done during to,so you know how your body converts everything. Everyone is different and everyone responds diffrent.

1. You are naive if you think Derek looks/looked like he did on a low dose
2. Dude is literally an idiot. He has a conflict of interest. I can’t remember which one I heard about but he either A) use to talk shit on turkesterone and then once it got popular he started selling it or B) pushes low doses because he owns a TRT clinic or maybe it’s both. The guy is full of red flags.
3. Now find a more reliable person to follow.

 

[Gbunk]

If you get sides from 100mg of TRT then you should realize you are an anomaly and shouldn't be giving people advice based on your 0.0001% experience.

If there are dozens of people saying 500mg works, and like 5 people saying 300mg.... Use common sense.

And OP, you don't test the waters with testosterone. You've had it in your system since you were a fetus developing in your mom's womb. You probably had insane amounts during your teenage years equivalent to a small blast. I'm going to put this as simply as possible so don't take it personally. Stop being a pussy. Steroids are not a fad that you try out because you're bored.. You decide to use them or not. Every cycle is going to risk taking a few months off your life, so you want to get the most out of them. Do you want to take 6 months off your life to have slightly above average levels?

Exactly my thoughts. I was wondering why the 1% was chiming in for advice because that’s not 99% of people.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

the classic "stop being a pussy " line - that's how I know you're not a very good person to listen to.

He used a phrase you don't like, so no one shouldn't listen to him about about factual information? That's your reason? You know who else says 'stop being a pussy' on the regular? Marine Corps Drill Instructors. According to your idiot-logic people shouldn't listen to them either about how to be a Marine. Grow the fuck up.

 

[pearineum]

He used a phrase you don't like, so no one shouldn't listen to him about about factual information? That's your reason? You know who else says 'stop being a pussy' on the regular? Marine Corps Drill Instructors. According to your idiot-logic people shouldn't listen to them either about how to be a Marine. Grow the fuck up.

there was no factual information that's what I was saying you didn't read my post obviously it's all anecdotal based on other people's experiences and that's what I was trying to say about mine that everybody's different can't just give out a number and then just make it apply to everybody.

also your comparison has nothing to do with what I said either go back to school. I've been through that kind of training before by the way and it doesn't help build a person or break them down if that's what you're trying to say I think it's a dumb saying that doesn't add anything it doesn't add substance to what somebody is saying it's just the old man up shit lol. it's basically saying something without actually saying anything.

 

[coupastar]

1. You are naive if you think Derek looks/looked like he did on a low dose
2. Dude is literally an idiot. He has a conflict of interest. I can’t remember which one I heard about but he either A) use to talk shit on turkesterone and then once it got popular he started selling it or B) pushes low doses because he owns a TRT clinic or maybe it’s both. The guy is full of red flags.
3. Now find a more reliable person to follow.

You probably have way more experience than me ! But if you watch anyone who is anyone they say start small. See how you respond. Be responsible.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

there was no factual information that's what I was saying you didn't read my post obviously it's all anecdotal based on other people's experiences and that's what I was trying to say about mine that everybody's different can't just give out a number and then just make it apply to everybody.

also your comparison has nothing to do with what I said either go back to school. I've been through that kind of training before by the way and it doesn't help build a person or break them down if that's what you're trying to say I think it's a dumb saying that doesn't add anything it doesn't add substance to what somebody is saying it's just the old man up shit lol. it's basically saying something without actually saying anything.

If you get sides from 100mg of TRT then you should realize you are an anomaly and shouldn't be giving people advice based on your 0.0001% experience.

That is a fact. There are more, but it only takes one to disprove your bullshit statement. 100mg is the level people have when they're teenagers. Only the most unfortunate people in the world get side effects from that.

But keep dismissing facts because you don't like the way they were presented. That's how to stay stupid. Get the fuck over yourself.....but you won't lol. That's why you're /blocked. We're done here. Now make that angry response I won't see. SPOILERS: It won't fix your wounded pride.

 

[Dukelerentz]

No, it's not. And no, you won't. This will be a weak cycle unless you're a skinny child or fat guy who never worked out before.

Even at a good 6x response rate, you will be at 1800ng/dl with that. That isn't even twice a natty range.
Stop telling people to shut down their balls so they can have less than 2x natty range.

Natty test range would technically be 250-900ng/dl 900 being at the high-normal, so 1800 is most definitely twice the range lol.

 

[Gullinbursti]

500mg and titrate down if the sides are overwhelming. Always have an AI like Aromasin on hand just in case. Start with a short acting ester like Test Prop so you can change dosage fairly fast. You need to see how YOUR body responds. On average 500mg Test Only ain't going to do crap to your health markers if you're otherwise healthy. Don't listen to any scaremongering dumbass that says it will. Is it possible that you lose the genetic lottery and get massive man boobs in the first month? Sure, but you have the same chances of that as winning the regular lottery. If you're scared of ultra-rare consequences from average doses then don't do steroids.

That being said all those things the "dumbasses" say about low doses start ringing true when you get yourself above 1000mg/week. The benefits taper off while the risks get exponentially larger the higher you go. But do you what want, you're an adult and have the information to make your own decision.

Titrating down is possibly stupider than titrating up. I'm not saying use 250. 500 would be better if pcting. But if they want to start lower than ok whatever. Start at 350 but keep it consistent all the way through to gauge their individual aromatization response

 

[Vio]

Just a question for y’all, soon I’ll be hopping on my first cycle and I’m stuck between starting off with 300mg of test or 500mg. I realize that usually the more mg the more likely side effects will show up. However, I didn’t know if it was worth it starting off with 300 or 250 because I’m shutting down my natural test levels anyways. Yalls help is much appreciated!

I’m starting a 600mg cycle of test e. Then debating cruising on 150-200 for awhile.

 

[T&H]

I see more and more guys saying to blast at 300mg. Where is this crap coming from?