Energy Control Fraud

[Janoshik]

So, as people who have been keeping track, I’ve been asked to review Energy Control’s practices, they even emailed me themselves.

So I have had inquired about the Arms_Length sample of HGH - see here: https://www.steroidsourcetalk.org/m...biotech-alibaba-seller-growth-hormone-results

https://imgur.com/ua01ZlK

So I, naturally, requested the raw data.

It took quite a long time to get those, considering the fact that they have been replying to emails in the same minute.

Finally - the raw data had arrived:

https://imgur.com/6JrjKXq

If people try to visit the link they had provided (

https://imgur.com/a/98sMXKB

) they might notice, that for some reason the pictures are black.

However, in my email written literally minutes after, the image attached is white. How comes?

Because they switched original images.

Luckily I have saved them before then:

https://imgur.com/lmKUy8i

https://imgur.com/Tk5jHdO

https://imgur.com/iUmtFPO https://imgur.com/knOeltw

They changed them to these: https://imgur.com/5GjFUVD

It intrigued me when I noticed. Now I know, that it was done so that the images can’t be easily reverse image searched.

Also, the data they have provided me did not really make too much sense - I naturally inquired further: https://imgur.com/apXrC8t

Interesting explanations.

Now, everybody, read this carefully (or not, just notice the images ) - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168

Thank you for attention.

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Another instance of the raw data being faked:

https://imgur.com/a/DbYj1cu

 

[Arms_Length]

@“EnergyControl” Shoot me an e-mail so I can give you a btc adddress for my refund.

 

[EnergyControl]

Our results are all very real and we have countless customers who have sent us unlabeled substances and we have perfectly identified them. How would we go about that if this was all fake? We have always been more than happy to explain our methodology.
We are ensuring to provide raw data for every test onwards to continue to verify our abilities, and have agreed to test 10 random substances for Jano so he can analyze our abilities. Whether he chooses to continue with that is up to him but we are more than willing.

 

[DNPstoney]

Janoshik" pid='11986' dateline='1525730808:

So, as people who have been keeping track, I’ve been asked to review Energy Control’s practices, they even emailed me themselves.

So I have had inquired about the Arms_Length sample of HGH - see here: https://www.steroidsourcetalk.org/m...biotech-alibaba-seller-growth-hormone-results

https://imgur.com/ua01ZlK

So I, naturally, requested the raw data.

It took quite a long time to get those, considering the fact that they have been replying to emails in the same minute.

Finally - the raw data had arrived:

https://imgur.com/6JrjKXq

If people try to visit the link they had provided (

https://imgur.com/a/98sMXKB

) they might notice, that for some reason the pictures are black.

However, in my email written literally minutes after, the image attached is white. How comes?

Because they switched original images.

Luckily I have saved them before then:

https://imgur.com/lmKUy8i

https://imgur.com/Tk5jHdO

https://imgur.com/iUmtFPO https://imgur.com/knOeltw

They changed them to these: https://imgur.com/5GjFUVD

It intrigued me when I noticed.

Also, the data they have provided me did not really make too much sense - I naturally inquired further: https://imgur.com/apXrC8t

Interesting explanations.

Now, everybody, read this carefully (or not, just notice the images ) - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168

Thank you for attention.

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Another instance of the raw data being faked:

https://imgur.com/a/DbYj1cu

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So changing a graph from being white on black to black on white is pretty simple. I am not seeing any change in the data; it is literally as simple as clicking “invert colors”. Nothing shady at all there. They probably made then black on white to make them easier to read.

Their response tries to answer any questions you have and explain their standard errors. I don’t see what is confusing about this? The person emailing you is obviously not the person who conducts the testing, as she stated in here email.

Not going to lie, I didn’t read the journals you linked. If you are stating the raw data indicates the test results are significantly incorrect, then I think that is a fair point.

You last “instance of raw data being faked” also shows nothing. The standard deviations are SIGNIFICANTLY different between the two test. That would more than explain the difference in test results.

This honestly sounds like a witch hunt and you going after a top competitor. If you have actual fact to back up how their tests are wrong, and not you just not understanding how they get their results, then please post them. Until then, Energy Control is innocent until proven guilty IMO.

 

[Imissthesub]

EnergyControl" pid='11995' dateline='1525732573:

We have countless customers who have sent us unlabeled substances and we have perfectly identified them. How would we go about that if this was all fake?

Would like an explanation for this^

Until then this just looks like Jano doing everything he can to try and discredit a competitor. He wasn’t active until Energy Control started getting more attention. Of course he would want them gone, Energy is domestic. If they can provide accurate and reliable results then why ship stuff overseas? Shit is transparent as fuck.

 

[Janoshik]

ryantheco" pid='11998' dateline='1525732909:

So changing a graph from being white on black to black on white is pretty simple. I am not seeing any change in the data; it is literally as simple as clicking “invert colors”. Nothing shady at all there. They probably made then black on white to make them easier to read.

Their response tries to answer any questions you have and explain their standard errors. I don’t see what is confusing about this? The person emailing you is obviously not the person who conducts the testing, as she stated in here email.

Not going to lie, I didn’t read the journals you linked. If you are stating the raw data indicates the test results are significantly incorrect, then I think that is a fair point.

You last “instance of raw data being faked” also shows nothing. The standard deviations are SIGNIFICANTLY different between the two test. That would more than explain the difference in test results.

This honestly sounds like a witch hunt and you going after a top competitor. If you have actual fact to back up how their tests are wrong, and not you just not understanding how they get their results, then please post them. Until then, Energy Control is innocent until proven guilty IMO.

Why the fuck do you post if you did not read it? Check the pictures.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168

Hope it’s visible enough now and FACTUAL.

They made it black on white on PURPOSE so it can’t be reverse image searched. Got it now?

Also, my last instance is pretty damning, the fact that you don’t understand how they failed basic math when faking stuff does not make it any less serious.

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Imissthesub" pid='12000' dateline='1525733255:

EnergyControl" pid='11995' dateline='1525732573:

We have countless customers who have sent us unlabeled substances and we have perfectly identified them. How would we go about that if this was all fake?

Would like an explanation for this^

Until then this just looks like Jano doing everything he can to try and discredit a competitor. He wasn’t active until Energy Control started getting more attention. Of course he would want them gone, Energy is domestic. If they can provide accurate and reliable results then why ship stuff overseas? Shit is transparent as fuck.

So you shill hard for them even in the face of damning evidence.

Cool.

 

[DNPstoney]

Janoshik" pid='12002' dateline='1525733279:

ryantheco" pid='11998' dateline='1525732909:

So changing a graph from being white on black to black on white is pretty simple. I am not seeing any change in the data; it is literally as simple as clicking “invert colors”. Nothing shady at all there. They probably made then black on white to make them easier to read.

Their response tries to answer any questions you have and explain their standard errors. I don’t see what is confusing about this? The person emailing you is obviously not the person who conducts the testing, as she stated in here email.

Not going to lie, I didn’t read the journals you linked. If you are stating the raw data indicates the test results are significantly incorrect, then I think that is a fair point.

You last “instance of raw data being faked” also shows nothing. The standard deviations are SIGNIFICANTLY different between the two test. That would more than explain the difference in test results.

This honestly sounds like a witch hunt and you going after a top competitor. If you have actual fact to back up how their tests are wrong, and not you just not understanding how they get their results, then please post them. Until then, Energy Control is innocent until proven guilty IMO.

Why the fuck do you post if you did not read it? Check the pictures.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168

Hope it’s visible enough now and FACTUAL.

They made it black on white on PURPOSE so it can’t be reverse image searched. Got it now?

Also, my last instance is pretty damning, the fact that you don’t understand how they failed basic math when faking stuff does not make it any less serious.

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Imissthesub" pid='12000' dateline='1525733255:

EnergyControl" pid='11995' dateline='1525732573:

We have countless customers who have sent us unlabeled substances and we have perfectly identified them. How would we go about that if this was all fake?

Would like an explanation for this^

Until then this just looks like Jano doing everything he can to try and discredit a competitor. He wasn’t active until Energy Control started getting more attention. Of course he would want them gone, Energy is domestic. If they can provide accurate and reliable results then why ship stuff overseas? Shit is transparent as fuck.

So you shill hard for them even in the face of damning evidence.

Cool.

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Hahaha Jano’s pissed because there’s someone else (and domestic) to steal his business.

Must not be doing so good bro.

 

[Imissthesub]

Imissthesub" pid='12000' dateline='1525733255:

EnergyControl" pid='11995' dateline='1525732573:

We have countless customers who have sent us unlabeled substances and we have perfectly identified them. How would we go about that if this was all fake?

Would like an explanation for this^

Until then this just looks like Jano doing everything he can to try and discredit a competitor. He wasn’t active until Energy Control started getting more attention. Of course he would want them gone, Energy is domestic. If they can provide accurate and reliable results then why ship stuff overseas? Shit is transparent as fuck.

So you shill hard for them even in the face of damning evidence.

Cool.

Lmao oh jesus, I’m a shill now! Where do I sign up to get paid?

Hey, can you actually answer how they’re getting accurate results wih blind tests? Did they use their magic ball?

 

[Deadlift]

This is definitely confusing, but I’ve had more than a few tests done through them and I never announce what I’m having tested, and the results have even lined up with Jano’s results (if anyone remembers I had Texas Mass’ Tren Ace tested after someone else did here). I’ve had oral, oils, and preworkout blends tested and the only result that came back unexpected was one of AG’s and I bought that from around when he exit scammed (or left, whatever happened).

In the end I’m confused for sure but I’ve also gotten good results so I don’t know where to stand on this. Are you going to send EC samples to test? If you or a third party who wasn’t in the same business could send samples and someone else validate I don’t see how you can go wrong there.

 

[Janoshik]

They admitted to faking that data themselves in this thread and then edited the post.

Case closed.

 

[Imissthesub]

Deadlift" pid='12006' dateline='1525733508:

This is definitely confusing, but I’ve had more than a few tests done through them and I never announce what I’m having tested, and the results have even lined up with Jano’s results (if anyone remembers I had Texas Mass’ Tren Ace tested after someone else did here). I’ve had oral, oils, and preworkout blends tested and the only result that came back unexpected was one of AG’s and I bought that from around when he exit scammed (or left, whatever happened).

Pffffffft, whatever you say, shill.

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Janoshik" pid='12007' dateline='1525733612:

They admitted to faking that data themselves in this thread and then edited the post.

Case closed.

how…are…they…getting…accurate…results…with…blind…tests?

 

[Janoshik]

Imissthesub" pid='12008' dateline='1525733654:

how…are…they…getting…accurate…results…with…blind…tests?

Does that unfake the data they sent to their customers and tried to use for verification?

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Deadlift" pid='12012' dateline='1525733858:

Janoshik" pid='12007' dateline='1525733612:

They admitted to faking that data themselves in this thread and then edited the post.

Case closed.

It says they edited, but is there proof they edited that and not just a typo or something else in? I know on some forums mods can see edit history, not sure if that’s the case here.

I have seen that and yes, I’ve already messaged the mods about that.

 

[Deadlift]

Janoshik" pid='12007' dateline='1525733612:

They admitted to faking that data themselves in this thread and then edited the post.

Case closed.

It says they edited, but is there proof they edited that and not just a typo or something else in? I know on some forums mods can see edit history, not sure if that’s the case here.

 

[Deadlift]

Janoshik" pid='12011' dateline='1525733782:

Imissthesub" pid='12008' dateline='1525733654:

how…are…they…getting…accurate…results…with…blind…tests?

Does that unfake the data they sent to their customers and tried to use for verification?

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Deadlift" pid='12012' dateline='1525733858:

Janoshik" pid='12007' dateline='1525733612:

They admitted to faking that data themselves in this thread and then edited the post.

Case closed.

It says they edited, but is there proof they edited that and not just a typo or something else in? I know on some forums mods can see edit history, not sure if that’s the case here.

I have seen that and yes, I’ve already messaged the mods about that.

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Okay awesome, I was hoping you grabbed a screenshot or something but hopefully if that’s true they can see.

I’m definitely still confused based on my past history with them because I undeniably have received accurate blind results, but I guess we just have to wait and see how this unfolds and what’s up.

 

[Janoshik]

Deadlift" pid='12014' dateline='1525733963:

Okay awesome, I was hoping you grabbed a screenshot or something but hopefully if that’s true they can see.

I’m definitely still confused based on my past history with them because I undeniably have received accurate blind results, but I guess we just have to wait and see how this unfolds and what’s up.

Yeah.

I don’t think they are unable of conducting tests. But I don’t think they are capable of running a quality operation.

Also, faking data when trying to get me to vouch for them is pretty damning and insulting to me. So is sending faked data to their customers on at least 2 occasions.

 

[Imissthesub]

Imissthesub" pid='12008' dateline='1525733654:

how…are…they…getting…accurate…results…with…blind…tests?

Does that unfake the data they sent to their customers and tried to use for verification?

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Verification from whom, you? Were they not already given a forum and given the go-ahead by mods?

If they’re testing compounds accurately I really don’t care about this witch hunt, is my point. It was dumb of them to try and get you to vouch for them when you’ve had a hard-on for them the entire time. Because of that, everything you say now about them has to be taken with a grain of salt, because you’re clearly a biased party.

 

[Janoshik]

Janoshik" pid='12011' dateline='1525733782:

Imissthesub" pid='12008' dateline='1525733654:

how…are…they…getting…accurate…results…with…blind…tests?

Does that unfake the data they sent to their customers and tried to use for verification?

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Verification from whom, you? Were they not already given a forum and given the go-ahead by mods?

If they’re testing compounds accurately I really don’t care about this witch hunt, is my point. It was dumb of them to try and get you to vouch for them when you’ve had a hard-on for them the entire time. Because of that, everything you say now about them has to be taken with a grain of salt, because you’re clearly a biased party.

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1. yes

   https://imgur.com/Y8h4pvb

2. it’s quite hard to verify they are testing compounds accurately without the raw data that are not provided
3. it was dumb of them to try and get me to vouch for them AND SEND ME FAKE DATA AND LIES, yes.

 

[Arms_Length]

I can confirm that @“EnergyControl” provided me these graphs here:

https://imgur.com/a/98sMXKB

which are the black copies that Jano speaks of. If you look in the article here: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168 you will see that the graphs are stolen right out of there. These guys falsified results that I paid money for. I take that shit seriously and you all should too. Do not send these guys your money. In all honesty, I don’t care if you refund me EC, paying $75 to help expose a scamming peice of shit with no morals like yourself is money well spent in my opinion.

Thank you Jano.

 

[Deadlift]

Arms_Length" pid='12035' dateline='1525735419:

I can confirm that @“EnergyControl” provided me these graphs here:

https://imgur.com/a/98sMXKB

which are the black copies that Jano speaks of. If you look in the article here: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168 you will see that the graphs are stolen right out of there. These guys falsified results that I paid money for. I take that shit seriously and you all should too. Do not send these guys your money. In all honesty, I don’t care if you refund me EC, paying $75 to help expose a scamming peice of shit with no morals like yourself is money well spent in my opinion.

Thank you Jano.

I’m not sure it’s a scam, I really can’t get past the fact I’ve sent multiple blind tests to them and they’ve reported back accurate results. I’m definitely confused, but that’s one thing I can’t get past. Either way it comes off unprofessional which is disappointing.

 

[Arms_Length]

Deadlift" pid='12041' dateline='1525735938:

Arms_Length" pid='12035' dateline='1525735419:

I can confirm that @“EnergyControl” provided me these graphs here:

https://imgur.com/a/98sMXKB

which are the black copies that Jano speaks of. If you look in the article here: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056168 you will see that the graphs are stolen right out of there. These guys falsified results that I paid money for. I take that shit seriously and you all should too. Do not send these guys your money. In all honesty, I don’t care if you refund me EC, paying $75 to help expose a scamming peice of shit with no morals like yourself is money well spent in my opinion.

Thank you Jano.

I’m not sure it’s a scam, I really can’t get past the fact I’ve sent multiple blind tests to them and they’ve reported back accurate results. I’m definitely confused, but that’s one thing I can’t get past. Either way it comes off unprofessional which is disappointing.

I think they are able to test substances but with my case in particular EC has already admitted to falsifying the data. Did you look at the links I posted? They are exact copies with minor photoshopping. Trust me man, I don’t turn on people quickly but this is solid evidence, especially them legit saying they do not deny falsifying the data. I stood up for these guys in the beginning and hoped they would do well here. But faking results should not be acceptable from anyone.