Guys who don't compete but run gear: Why?

[BBBG]

I don't think anyone is saying these guys have bad genetics. You can't get the attention of a college scout if the kid has bad genetics with all the sauce in the world. It just gets competitive at certain levels. I don't look down on the guys that take something extra even if they deny it. They have bills like everyone else.

Walk me thru it then. Kid gets recruited to play in college. Then what? Does the team have a guy? Does the kid just get the stuff? A teammate deal it? At what point does he do his first injection? Do they do bloodwork?

This is what I’m second guessing. There’s no logic to “everyone is on something”. This stuff isn’t rocket science, but it’s a little too complicated for most. It would be a very small percentage that are actually taking something.

 

[calist181]

Walk me thru it then. Kid gets recruited to play in college. Then what? Does the team have a guy? Does the kid just get the stuff? A teammate deal it? At what point does he do his first injection? Do they do bloodwork?

This is what I’m second guessing. There’s no logic to “everyone is on something”. This stuff isn’t rocket science, but it’s a little too complicated for most. It would be a very small percentage that are actually taking something.

It's not specifically one thing, but as you mentioned, there can be different scenarios. The accessibility is there. If it's accessible on a recreational level as there is for the non-professional, non-competitive athletes, one can come to the conclusion it's more accessible to those that are in the athletic field. Whether it's peer pressure, or a sports program actually having an unofficial guy, there's accessibility. It's up to the individual whether they take something or not.

Maybe I misspoke by using the word "everyone." There's obviously rules to follow in competitive sports. Even in car racing, there's things they can and can't do in modifications, but like anything else, if you want to stay competitive, you're going to look for that edge. Since there's allot more on the line, the pressure to remain competitive is higher.

 

[calist181]

A woman I know has a son in baseball. He's in highschool level and is also part of a travel league. She's told me scouts come out. Her son also admitted there's a few guys on the team that juice. How that happens I don't know and didn't ask, but if the traditional recreational drugs are accessible, so are PEDs.

 

[BBBG]

Since there's allot more on the line, the pressure to remain competitive is higher.

This is all for discussion sake and you make good points. I think there’s a certain percentage of professionals that use or have used. I just think that percentage is relatively small. There’d be more reports if it was a majority of professional athletes.

I brought up Lane Johnson previously. He’s served two suspensions for PED violations. If he gets popped once more, he’s done. That’s a lot on the line. Do you think he’s going to use anything given the big risk?

 

[skin&bones]

It's the dirty little secret in musicians like soloists in orchestras & pianists. Propanolol.

Physicians also often take it themselves as a PRN prior to public speaking.

 

[Arathorny]

Not arguing at all but curious how you know everyone is on something.

There were stories printed that Peyton Manning had HGH sent to his wife.

There was a SI article interviewing Derrick Rose a few years ago where he indicated that the NBA had a major steroid issue. And

I’m from Philly area where our Eagles OT Lane Johnson already got suspended twice for PED violations (the 2nd one was a peptide).

And the Signature pharmacy in Florida that was writing and shipping prescriptions everywhere. There were athletes on that list.

Whatcha heard?

Go birds

 

[BBBG]

Go birds

Finally! A sane and rational contribution!

Go Birds!

 

[calist181]

There’d be more reports if it was a majority of professional athletes.

You're right. Not the majority but I don't believe it's a small percentage. I'm going to show my tin hat on this one, but I don't think the media would ever again publicly report such a scandal. We've seen in recent years how selective they are at reporting so called news. The revenue loss for both the team and networks that have contracts with teams to show their games would be too big.

I did a search on a non Google search engine for sport ratings drop after scandal.

Sport Ratings Drop After Scandal​

The steroid era in Major League Baseball (MLB) has been linked to a decline in sports ratings. After the peak of steroid use, which saw high home run numbers and stadium attendance, MLB began to see lower ratings and attendance. The 2010 MLB All-Star game, for instance, saw a 16 percent drop in ratings compared to the previous year, earning a 7.5 fast national rating and 13 share, down from 8.9/15 the previous year. This decline in ratings and attendance can be attributed to the shift in focus from high-scoring games to a "year of the pitcher," where fewer home runs were hit, leading to less fan engagement.
The steroid scandal not only affected baseball but also tarnished the image of the sport, making it harder for MLB to attract and retain fans. Despite efforts to clean up the sport and focus on pitching, the damage to the sport's reputation has been significant, and recovering fan interest remains a challenge.

I brought up Lane Johnson previously. He’s served two suspensions for PED violations. If he gets popped once more, he’s done. That’s a lot on the line. Do you think he’s going to use anything given the big risk?

I hope he doesn't. Yes he does have more on the line considering they have an eye on him. To answer your question, people have made dumber decisions in life. His last suspension was in 2016. He's doing something right.

 

[BBBG]

You're right. Not the majority but I don't believe it's a small percentage. I'm going to show my tin hat on this one, but I don't think the media would ever again publicly report such a scandal. We've seen in recent years how selective they are at reporting so called news. The revenue loss for both the team and networks that have contracts with teams to show their games would be too big.

I did a search on a non Google search engine for sport ratings drop after scandal.






I hope he doesn't. Yes he does have more on the line considering they have an eye on him. To answer your question, people have made dumber decisions in life. His last suspension was in 2016. He's doing something right.

LOL, the steroid stigma! You can see how they spun the "declining ratings" as being attributed to the "steroid scandal tarnishing the sport". The steroid scandal and exciting home run race happened in 2003 - 7 years earlier than the referenced stats for the 2010 All-Star game (who watches the All Star game for ANY sport?). That's pretty funny. Steroids didn't tarnish the sport. It put baseball on life support and it saw booming popularity when Sosa, Mcguire, Conseco and Bonds were juicing!

 

[Sector]

They need to bring back steroids and corked bats into the MLB. Now that… was fun to watch

 

[Bando]

Walk me thru it then. Kid gets recruited to play in college. Then what? Does the team have a guy? Does the kid just get the stuff? A teammate deal it? At what point does he do his first injection? Do they do bloodwork?

This is what I’m second guessing. There’s no logic to “everyone is on something”. This stuff isn’t rocket science, but it’s a little too complicated for most. It would be a very small percentage that are actually taking something.

Not sure how it is now but 20 years ago my brother in law worked in the strength department for a major SEC football team. He said 80% of team used back then and IIRC, the head strength coach had a “guy” he had all the players befriend if you know what I mean.

This was big boy SEC ball 20 years ago so I’m sure it’s even more streamlined now.

 

[BBBG]

Not sure how it is now but 20 years ago my brother in law worked in the strength department for a major SEC football team. He said 80% of team used back then and IIRC, the head strength coach had a “guy” he had all the players befriend if you know what I mean.

This was big boy SEC ball 20 years ago so I’m sure it’s even more streamlined now.

I’m not doubting. Just asking the natural question: wouldn’t “a guy” have taken the opportunity to blackmail by now or turn in order to plea down?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Walk me thru it then. Kid gets recruited to play in college. Then what? Does the team have a guy? Does the kid just get the stuff? A teammate deal it? At what point does he do his first injection? Do they do bloodwork?

This is what I’m second guessing. There’s no logic to “everyone is on something”. This stuff isn’t rocket science, but it’s a little too complicated for most. It would be a very small percentage that are actually taking something.

I took a class with a guy at uni who was on the football team. Apparently they were only allowed to play for 4 years, but some are recruited and "red-shirted" the first year so they can juice and practice with the team, but still have 4 years to compete after that.

Could be BS but dude was pretty jacked. We were both obviously on steroids.

 

[Sierracon99]

Avid lifter since I was a teen, was around gear alot in high school because of sports but never ran anything. 10 years in the marines still nothing, but after I got hurt really bad overseas and forced into medical retirement I was told by VA doctors I'd have to take it easy from now on... fuck all that haha. Fell into a deep depression that first year as a civilian but then just had that moment where I wasn't gonna go out like a bitch, slowly rehabbed and got into decent form all the aches and pains included and then when I turned 30 I hopped on and been b/c ever since. Powerlifting turned into bodybuilding and now I'm 39 in really solid shape, strong, and enjoying myself. Oh and being joocy af is never a bad thing either lol... PRs, female attention, veins on top of veins, the works. I'm glad this is my vice instead of the bottles of painkillers the military was trying to throw at me like skittles.

 

[Astro95]

Because I’m a grown man with a job who pays his taxes that’s why lol

 

[hexagonal]

I’m conflicted.

You see all the retarded newbie questions here?

Who’s showing these guys how to use PEDs?

I’ve also seen what genetic outliers do.

7th graders dunking at 6’3” tall.

A freshman squatting 225 pounds with the rest of the highschool football team, except when he’s done, he doesn’t rack the weight. He absent-mindedly behind the head presses the bar and then sets it in the rack.

I don’t think everyone is on something. I think it’s probably less than 25% but who knows. Those college strength & conditioning coaches barely have to do anything. The kids are born different.

I think the majority of pro athletes that can benefit from using PEDs are on PEDs.

Getting around testing is a joke, and there's a massive incentive to do something. If you look at earlier times in sports history when certain substances weren't banned, it was often fairly public. Post-WW2 damn near every baseball player was on dexedrine and everyone talked about the amphetamine usage. Even after it became much more stigmatized, when they started testing for amphetamines, there was a huge uptick in pros getting diagnosed with ADHD and getting on adderall.

How long did Armstrong get away with it despite being one of the most high profile and well known athletes with one of the longest runs of dominance ever?

 

[BBBG]

I think the majority of pro athletes that can benefit from using PEDs are on PEDs.

Getting around testing is a joke, and there's a massive incentive to do something. If you look at earlier times in sports history when certain substances weren't banned, it was often fairly public. Post-WW2 damn near every baseball player was on dexedrine and everyone talked about the amphetamine usage. Even after it became much more stigmatized, when they started testing for amphetamines, there was a huge uptick in pros getting diagnosed with ADHD and getting on adderall.

How long did Armstrong get away with it despite being one of the most high profile and well known athletes with one of the longest runs of dominance ever?

Lance Armstrong is a bad example. He got away with using EPO because there was no test for EPO. The majority of what he did for “doping” had to do with manipulating RBC to get the maximum amount.

That and he got away with it simply because everyone in cycling was getting away with the same exact thing.

I don’t think the NFL, MLB, or NBA would even test for EPO.

“The majority that could benefit”? Does that mean the majority of participants or just the ones that could benefit? What are they using? Why hasn’t anyone spilled the beans? Where are they getting this stuff? Who’s showing them or are they self-taught like us? This would be as large as the NASA and flat earth conspiracy. Lol.

 

[hexagonal]

Lance Armstrong is a bad example. He got away with using EPO because there was no test for EPO. The majority of what he did for “doping” had to do with manipulating RBC to get the maximum amount.

That and he got away with it simply because everyone in cycling was getting away with the same exact thing.

I don’t think the NFL, MLB, or NBA would even test for EPO.

“The majority that could benefit”? Does that mean the majority of participants or just the ones that could benefit? What are they using? Why hasn’t anyone spilled the beans? Where are they getting this stuff? Who’s showing them or are they self-taught like us? This would be as large as the NASA and flat earth conspiracy. Lol.

Everyone getting away with it is sort of my point - EPO was a known quantity. Why did it take so long for it to get tested for? And he got away with it for another 5 years after they started testing for it. He also admitted to HGH use.

And, I mean, players get popped for PEDs in these sports all the time. Dozens of suspensions between the MLB and MiLB every year for PEDs. And that's with there being a ton of knowledge available on how to handle testing. ARod has fessed up to like 6 years of gear usage, and almost certainly was on it the train for far longer.

Crossfit games, etc, are tested, but it's pretty obvious the pros are on gear. (and not doing crossfit for making their actual gains, lol.) and there are coaches out there that cater to helping players run gear without being caught and advertise it pretty openly. I imagine coaches, clinics, word of mouth accounts for most of the spread of info.

I think the majority of participants in the sports where they make sense. Like, I don't think many people in the NHL are running gear - it's not super useful for them.

 

[BBBG]

Everyone getting away with it is sort of my point - EPO was a known quantity. Why did it take so long for it to get tested for? And he got away with it for another 5 years after they started testing for it. He also admitted to HGH use.

And, I mean, players get popped for PEDs in these sports all the time. Dozens of suspensions between the MLB and MiLB every year for PEDs. And that's with there being a ton of knowledge available on how to handle testing. ARod has fessed up to like 6 years of gear usage, and almost certainly was on it the train for far longer.

Crossfit games, etc, are tested, but it's pretty obvious the pros are on gear. (and not doing crossfit for making their actual gains, lol.) and there are coaches out there that cater to helping players run gear without being caught and advertise it pretty openly. I imagine coaches, clinics, word of mouth accounts for most of the spread of info.

I think the majority of participants in the sports where they make sense. Like, I don't think many people in the NHL are running gear - it's not super useful for them.

Wait, CrossFit is a sport? what?

“dozens suspended every year in MLB”
It was two guys last year.
Source: https://www.baseball-almanac.com/legendary/steroids_baseball.shtml

How many guys play baseball in the MLB? Two out of several hundred isn’t statistically indicative of widespread PED use.

These guys are just BETTER than the rest of us. That’s fine.

 

[Lionmask]

My natty test 400-500s wasn't enough for gym, work, social life and other hobbies. Started trt at 34, blasted after a year, played around with some beginner compounds like var, hgh, eq, primo. Got bored. I realized progress takes a long time even with steroids, and I don't want to touch 19nors. So back to trt until this whole trump tarrifs shit is over.