letting estrogen climb, on a gram of test per week.

[Westosterone Enanthate]

sometimes I let estrogen climb by easing up on the aromasin. Does anyone notice that there is a small timeframe where there seems to be a mood boosting effect and better pumps along with the supposed elevated estrogen?

Yesterday I had a very great workout, great appetite, even a bit horny too. It was just an overall good day but I felt like my estrogen was high because even my libido was great until I was unable to maintain an erection during good sex. Anyone else have this? the main point being that I feel like slightly elevated estrogen is a positive thing in all areas except for my wiener and or orgasm.

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

Youre better off using tamoxifen as an e2 blocker (yes, even on cycle) than exemestane (aromasin). The reason you need to be very careful running exemestane is that its a “suicidal AI” and can potentially nuke your e2 levels for a long time, which I promise is not something you want to happen.

I would take a look at the steroid book they have in the wiki on this site it gives you great info on dosing for on cycle support.

Also how much experience do you have running gear? 1000mg test e (im assuming test e) is pretty ridiculous imo. Hope youre pinning daily at that high of a dose. That much test seems pretty much overkill man.

 

[Westosterone Enanthate]

this is my first cycle. jk haha, I think it would be only minor overkill If it were, but I have been on trt since 2017 and have tried and used other things as well. btw I pyramided up to a gram,(did many blood donations in that timeframe) not just doing 1g all the sudden lol. I’m tolerating 1 gram very very well, just happy all the time. even bp is good. I’m essentially using one gram of test because I wanna keep it simple and cheap. Im building as much muscle as I can while staying fairly lean, I believe I’d achieve the same results with 750 but I admit i’m greedy. Are you completely sure that nolva can replace aromasin? the reason I take it is specifically because it is suicidal ai, and I have crashed e2 before and I know to beware. I pin test E 500 and I love it.

 

[T&H]

Youre better off using tamoxifen as an e2 blocker (yes, even on cycle) than exemestane (aromasin). The reason you need to be very careful running exemestane is that its a “suicidal AI” and can potentially nuke your e2 levels for a long time, which I promise is not something you want to happen.

I would take a look at the steroid book they have in the wiki on this site it gives you great info on dosing for on cycle support.

Also how much experience do you have running gear? 1000mg test e (im assuming test e) is pretty ridiculous imo. Hope youre pinning daily at that high of a dose. That much test seems pretty much overkill man.

Nolva is not an AI, and should only be used on cycle to prevent gyno from growing once symptoms start. And no, Arimidex is the one that can nuke E2. Don't spread misinformation.

 

[WereAllGonnaMakeIt]

@Westosterone Enanthate I would only use an AI like exemestane if you are having serious E2 Sides. @T&H I would say it comes down to your definition of "nuke" considering exemestane is a suicidal AI. My understanding is OP is talking about on cycle support, which is why i would say a SERM is much better. I am aware that tamoxifen is not an AI

 

[thebsac]

What's your BP?

Have you gotten blood work recently?

 

[Westosterone Enanthate]

What's your BP?

Have you gotten blood work recently?

around 135/75 and probably at times higher. I am contemplating adding telmisartan to my regimen. I just got my lipids tested, however they were not super thorough and I measured only basics to see if my lipids are trashed. Results were intriguing: hdl is too low but ldl isn’t too high and triglyceride readings are normal. It is kind of interesting

 

[thebsac]

Your systolic is ~10-15 mmHg too high. Start taking some AI and see if that brings down your BP or add on an ACEI or ARB. Hypertension is not as benign as most people seem to think like "Ah, yeah my BP is always a little high." No, hypertension will absolutely trash your kidney function over time and markedly increase your risk of a major adverse cardiac event.

HDL-C is largely a useless marker apart from extreme results. HDL as a marker for cardiovascular risk is less about concentration and more about function for which we do not have an assay for yet.

Get an apoB instead of LDL-C or at the very least an LDL-P to get a better measure of your cardiovascular risk. You can get an apoB from Ulta Labs (Thankfully not the same owners as the makeup chain) for like $35.

My two cents.

 

[JDLift]

Damn I'm late to this party but yeah, I'm one of the 'wait until it's noticeable' types; I'll go weeks without touching AI, then just nuke the shit whenever I get a slight worry about a nipple.

 

[Westosterone Enanthate]

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Damn I'm late to this party but yeah, I'm one of the 'wait until it's noticeable' types; I'll go weeks without touching AI, then just nuke the shit whenever I get a slight worry about a nipple.

Join the party lol, you are the first one that has talked about estrogen lmao. all these replies are good tho

 

[Westosterone Enanthate]

Your systolic is ~10-15 mmHg too high. Start taking some AI and see if that brings down your BP or add on an ACEI or ARB. Hypertension is not as benign as most people seem to think like "Ah, yeah my BP is always a little high." No, hypertension will absolutely trash your kidney function over time and markedly increase your risk of a major adverse cardiac event.

HDL-C is largely a useless marker apart from extreme results. HDL as a marker for cardiovascular risk is less about concentration and more about function for which we do not have an assay for yet.

Get an apoB instead of LDL-C or at the very least an LDL-P to get a better measure of your cardiovascular risk. You can get an apoB from Ulta Labs (Thankfully not the same owners as the makeup chain) for like $35.

My two cents.

Thankyou for your input. perhaps I should send a screenshot of the bloodwork to you ?

 

[Dizzle92109]

Your systolic is ~10-15 mmHg too high. Start taking some AI and see if that brings down your BP or add on an ACEI or ARB. Hypertension is not as benign as most people seem to think like "Ah, yeah my BP is always a little high." No, hypertension will absolutely trash your kidney function over time and markedly increase your risk of a major adverse cardiac event.

HDL-C is largely a useless marker apart from extreme results. HDL as a marker for cardiovascular risk is less about concentration and more about function for which we do not have an assay for yet.

Get an apoB instead of LDL-C or at the very least an LDL-P to get a better measure of your cardiovascular risk. You can get an apoB from Ulta Labs (Thankfully not the same owners as the makeup chain) for like $35.

My two cents.

Calm down my dude. That bp is def slightly elevated but suggest ai to correct it? What if his e2 is in range? We need to know if this is a baseline bp reading and how long has it been this. If it’s been a while, then a BP med probably is in need

 

[sweatybiceps]

Nolva is not an AI, and should only be used on cycle to prevent gyno from growing once symptoms start. And no, Arimidex is the one that can nuke E2. Don't spread misinformation.

I read that arimidex can Nuke your e2 but it goes back to normal quicker then if you nuke it with aromasin. I was going to switch to the aromasin until I saw that article. Seems like if you nuke it with aromasin you’re fucked for longer.

I believe bill Roberts wrote an article on that. It’s in meso somewhere.

The Ais still seem tricky whether it’s the arimidex or the aromasin

 

[Westosterone Enanthate]

Calm down my dude. That bp is def slightly elevated but suggest ai to correct it? What if his e2 is in range? We need to know if this is a baseline bp reading and how long has it been this. If it’s been a while, then a BP med probably is i

I don’t think I need more aromasin, more cardio tho for sure. Im gonna try out some Telmisartan. I have some family history of hypertension anyways, but never needed meds. Its only elevated when im on.

 

[Deep-Ride]

I read that arimidex can Nuke your e2 but it goes back to normal quicker then if you nuke it with aromasin. I was going to switch to the aromasin until I saw that article. Seems like if you nuke it with aromasin you’re fucked for longer.

I believe bill Roberts wrote an article on that. It’s in meso somewhere.

The Ais still seem tricky whether it’s the arimidex or the aromasin

This.

@T&H you’re right that it’s very easy to nuke your e2 with adex since it’s a lil 1mg pill.

The argument that I think some other people have (including myself) is that adex is easier for “beginners” because of the e2 rebound it has when you stop taking it and don’t taper. If you crash your e2 with adex you just have to stop taking it for a short bit and bing bang boom your e2 jumps back up.

Asin on the other hand, being suicidal, will cause you to go a longer time with low e2 if you do indeed crash your e2. That being said a lot of us have something on hand that will spike e2, dbol, TNE, hella “wet” compounds, should we accidentally crash it.

I’m honestly still one of those people you’d probably lump into that “beginner” group due to the low number of cycles I’ve run, but I can manage my e2 on either all the same. If I’m just straight wrong someone do correct me.

 

[thebsac]

Calm down my dude. That bp is def slightly elevated but suggest ai to correct it? What if his e2 is in range? We need to know if this is a baseline bp reading and how long has it been this. If it’s been a while, then a BP med probably is in need

The thread is about letting E2 CLIMB while on a gram of test hence the AI suggestion.

OP’s stated BP is stage 1 hypertension and claims it’s probably at times higher. Stage 1 is treated with lifestyle modifications and reassess in 6 months normally. He’s on the sauce, odds that some cardio will bring down his BP ~10-15 is not likely, possible but not likely. Low dose ACEI/ARB have a great safety profile with longitudinal data.

I prefer a more aggressive approach to hypertension but that’s me.

 

[Deep-Ride]

The thread is about letting E2 CLIMB while on a gram of test hence the AI suggestion.

OP’s stated BP is stage 1 hypertension and claims it’s probably at times higher. Stage 1 is treated with lifestyle modifications and reassess in 6 months normally. He’s on the sauce, odds that some cardio will bring down his BP ~10-15 is not likely, possible but not likely. Low dose ACEI/ARB have a great safety profile with longitudinal data.

I prefer a more aggressive approach to hypertension but that’s me.

Totally agree it’s better to be aggressive with hypertension than not, sometimes though.

As one of them there ambulance drivers I can tell you high BP can cause of a lot of health issues, it is also an indicator if some health issues but it’s better focus on it as a cause.

When dealing with UGL gear, and probably subsequent UGL BP meds, I’m of the opinion that start with cardio and possibly changing some eating habits. Monitor the shit out of your BP at least twice daily ideally more. Take into account outside stressors, sleep, food intake, drug/alcohol use, when you pinned last, etc. if you don’t see any market improvement in a week or so talk to your doc about meds for it. Or if you want get some from a UGL but I’d do my best to get legit pharma grade from a doc.

I’m no doc, I’m just a long time healthcare worker

Just don’t disregard high BP, I see strokes regularly with BPs in the mid to low 140s systolic.

 

[md8890041]

that small timeframe is the sweet spot and i've had difficulty maintaining that with ugl ais as well. i took a gram of test in the past, i personally like lower test with dbol and/or deca

 

[Westosterone Enanthate]

Totally agree it’s better to be aggressive with hypertension than not, sometimes though.

As one of them there ambulance drivers I can tell you high BP can cause of a lot of health issues, it is also an indicator if some health issues but it’s better focus on it as a cause.

When dealing with UGL gear, and probably subsequent UGL BP meds, I’m of the opinion that start with cardio and possibly changing some eating habits. Monitor the shit out of your BP at least twice daily ideally more. Take into account outside stressors, sleep, food intake, drug/alcohol use, when you pinned last, etc. if you don’t see any market improvement in a week or so talk to your doc about meds for it. Or if you want get some from a UGL but I’d do my best to get legit pharma grade from a doc.

I’m no doc, I’m just a long time healthcare worker

Just don’t disregard high BP, I see strokes regularly with BPs in the mid to low 140s systolic.

Hey, sorry for the lateness but I am successfully using telmisartan. My whole life I have worked in physical therapy clinics that specialize treating stroke victims haha

 

[thebsac]

Hey, sorry for the lateness but I am successfully using telmisartan. My whole life I have worked in physical therapy clinics that specialize treating stroke victims haha

Your kidneys, heart, and brain will thank you. ARBs are fairly well tolerated but:

ARBs CAN but don’t necessarily raise your serum potassium so don’t gorge on bananas. High potassium can cause arrhythmias. If you ever feel like you’re going to faint out of nowhere, feel a fluttering in your chest, or dizziness go to the ER.

ARBs very rarely can cause angioedema which causes a swelling usually around your eyes or lips that looks like an allergic reaction. If you ever notice something similar, go to the ER.

If you decide to discontinue the telmisartan if/when you come off anabolic steroids, do so under the care of a doctor if you aren’t already. Discontinuing ARBs can cause rebound hypertension but there is some data to suggest telmisartan has little to no rebound effect.