Test - Dbol - Primobolan

[GearLover420]

I just started my cycle on Saturday. 250 mgs of test e every three days and 50 mgs of Dbol every day. I got both from ViperFlex. The 50 mgs ruined my appetite so I’m doing 25 at the moment. Ideally you start the primo once you’re done with the Dbol. Would doing them at the same time be a good idea?

I once took Masteron and Anadrol at the same time. It worked pretty well. Had a dry bulky look.

 

[makeway]

Why would you start the primo after the dbol? Personally, I’d run the test/primo from the start when your receptors are fresh and then hit the dbol at the end once your body has adapted to the test/primo and needs a bit extra to continue to drive gains. The old school ideology of oral kickstarts are a thing of the past.

Personally, I do it both ways… my cycle setup typically consists of:

Week 1 optional Short ester
Weeks 1-12 Inject 1, 2, and 3
Weeks 10-14 Oral
Week 15-19 PCT

This might look like:

Weeks 1 low dose test prop/tren ace
Weeks 1-12: Test, Tren Mast
Weeks 10-14: either var or winny
HGH at 8 iu throughout
Insulin 10iu pre and post
T4 100mcg per day
Week 15: PCT

 

[Case-Akilleez]

Why would you start the primo after the dbol? Personally, I’d run the test/primo from the start when your receptors are fresh and then hit the dbol at the end once your body has adapted to the test/primo and needs a bit extra to continue to drive gains. The old school ideology of oral kickstarts are a thing of the past.

This is what I would do. Test, dbol and primo is a solid stack in my opinion.

 

[makeway]

This is what I would do. Test, dbol and primo is a solid stack in my opinion.

Agreed. And if he’s worried about bloat, he could sub dbol for something like t-bol or var, however; primo and dbol work quite well together due to primos anti-e properties.

 

[GearLover420]

Agreed. And if he’s worried about bloat, he could sub dbol for something like t-bol or var, however; primo and dbol work quite well together due to primos anti-e properties.

I forgot to mention I’m new to both compounds. Taking them alone with test is to understand what each one does. I never got a straight answer on if they work well together. I do know that’s what the pros from the 70s would take. Thanks for the advice. I’m gonna take my first primo shot.

 

[Astro95]

What’s the point of Dbol? Or any oral in a growth phase?

You’re new to both primo and Dbol. Well one will lower your e2 and the other one will raise it. Not sure if that’ll be a problem dialing in, but be prepared. Also Dbol and primo won’t simply counter act each other estrogen wise, their effects on e2 aren’t linear and we don’t even know what the primo dosing will be. 50 years of AAS research development and people still running the same compounds. Why not take what the pros from the 2020s take?

 

[makeway]

What’s the point of Dbol? Or any oral in a growth phase?

You’re new to both primo and Dbol. Well one will lower your e2 and the other one will raise it. Not sure if that’ll be a problem dialing in, but be prepared. Also Dbol and primo won’t simply counter act each other estrogen wise, their effects on e2 aren’t linear and we don’t even know what the primo dosing will be. 50 years of AAS research development and people still running the same compounds. Why not take what the pros from the 2020s take?

This is not me being condescending as I’m genuinely curious; as I myself am old school and have been out the game for a bit.

I understand the shift in cycle structure, but How have the compounds changed? What are pros running now as opposed to back in the day?

 

[bahamu7]

This is not me being condescending as I’m genuinely curious; as I myself am old school and have been out the game for a bit.

I understand the shift in cycle structure, but How have the compounds changed? What are pros running now as opposed to back in the day?

They run bubble gut now

 

[makeway]

They run bubble gut now

Ahhh. I’m very familiar with bubble gut

 

[Astro95]

This is not me being condescending as I’m genuinely curious; as I myself am old school and have been out the game for a bit.

I understand the shift in cycle structure, but How have the compounds changed? What are pros running now as opposed to back in the day?

Well, suggesting a “gym bro” to take what the pros take is not the best advice, but it was simply in regard to him mentioning his protocol being what they ran in the 70s. Most don’t use Dbol these days, nor orals in the offseason. Typical cycle could be Test, Primo, GH, insulin or a different combination, laying more on the drier safer compounds. Then orals in contest prep to help push in a caloric deficit, Tren, mast, halo to get that granite look and hold onto muscle, but there’s no need to dabble into that in an offseason.

The use of GH would be the biggest difference between the 70s and now, which is a huge pathway to drive muscle growth yet we still see many if not most simply relying on AAS, wether because of cost or other reasons.

 

[Astro95]

I would do Test, Primo, GH. Or Test and Primo only if not looking to run gh. Don’t see the point of Dbol, but that’s just me.

 

[makeway]

Well, suggesting a “gym bro” to take what the pros take is not the best advice, but it was simply in regard to him mentioning his protocol being what they ran in the 70s. Most don’t use Dbol these days, nor orals in the offseason. Typical cycle could be Test, Primo, GH, insulin or a different combination, laying more on the drier safer compounds. Then orals in contest prep to help push in a caloric deficit, Tren, mast, halo to get that granite look and hold onto muscle, but there’s no need to dabble into that in an offseason.

The use of GH would be the biggest difference between the 70s and now, which is a huge pathway to drive muscle growth yet we still see many if not most simply relying on AAS, wether because of cost or other reasons.

Oh okay, so not much different than the early 2000’s aside from the lack of orals in the offseason. Seemed like there was an oral in nearly every cycle back in the day. Test/deac/dbol…. Test/EQ/Tbol… test, tren, winny…. Hell; I remember stacking anadrol with cheque drops

 

[Astro95]

Oh okay, so not much different than the early 2000’s aside from the lack of orals in the offseason. Seemed like there was an oral in nearly every cycle back in the day. Test/deac/dbol…. Test/EQ/Tbol… test, tren, winny…. Hell; I remember stacking anadrol with cheque drops

Even till this day. I stay on a different board mostly and every cycle I see guys wanting to run NEEDS an oral.

 

[bahamu7]

Even till this day. I stay on a different board mostly and every cycle I see guys wanting to run NEEDS an oral.

well in the 70s the champagne stack was dbol + primo, most of them are alive and well today. I believe a newer and more complete stack today would be ment + primo

 

[Astro95]

well in the 70s the champagne stack was dbol + primo, most of them are alive and well today. I believe a newer and more complete stack today would be ment + primo

That would be an interesting one. Would love to see a log on that combo.

 

[bahamu7]

That would be an interesting one. Would love to see a log on that combo.

I've ran 100mg test weekly + 10mg ment daily for about 3 months. The reason I kept test is because the lack of ment's dht conversion. Something feels off in me without dht. Of course with primo in the picture I assume test is no longer neccesary.

Great mood, libido insanely high, no AI needed. On the other hand mental side effects slowly creeps in, for me was turning into a jealous asshole (i'm the complete opposite). Almost lost my relationship because I thought my gf was cheating on me constantly. A week after discontinuing it I was back to normal and couldn't understand why I was acting like that.

I'm intrigued of trying it with primo or masteron since dht derivatives seem to counteract these nasty mental sides.

Also an increase in bp and rhr, but nothing that nebivolol and telmisartan can't handle.

 

[Astro95]

I've ran 100mg test weekly + 10mg ment daily for about 3 months. The reason I kept test is because the lack of ment's dht conversion. Something feels off in me without dht. Of course with primo in the picture I assume test is no longer neccesary.

Great mood, libido insanely high, no AI needed. On the other hand mental side effects slowly creeps in, for me was turning into a jealous asshole (i'm the complete opposite). Almost lost my relationship because I thought my gf was cheating on me constantly. A week after discontinuing it I was back to normal and couldn't understand why I was acting like that.

I'm intrigued of trying it with primo or masteron since dht derivatives seem to counteract these nasty mental sides.

Also an increase in bp and rhr, but nothing that nebivolol and telmisartan can't handle.

Those mental sides remind me of a juicy tren ace run I had back in 2021. My lady shares her location with me till this day from that cycle

I may give ment a shot one of these days, usually not my go to due to being a high converter. We’ll see.

 

[GearLover420]

What’s the point of Dbol? Or any oral in a growth phase?

You’re new to both primo and Dbol. Well one will lower your e2 and the other one will raise it. Not sure if that’ll be a problem dialing in, but be prepared. Also Dbol and primo won’t simply counter act each other estrogen wise, their effects on e2 aren’t linear and we don’t even know what the primo dosing will be. 50 years of AAS research development and people still running the same compounds. Why not take what the pros from the 2020s take?

I still hear people rave about DBol. I came across a thread where people were saying they preferred it over anadrol. Dorian Yates said it was his favorite steroid.

I’ve also heard that turnibol is less toxic, has less water retention, and a longer half life. My conclusion is to just see for myself while being as safe as possible.

With primo, that’s just one I’ve never tried. There’s probably pros who still use it.

 

[Case-Akilleez]

I still hear people rave about DBol. I came across a thread where people were saying they preferred it over anadrol. Dorian Yates said it was his favorite steroid.

I’ve also heard that turnibol is less toxic, has less water retention, and a longer half life. My conclusion is to just see for myself while being as safe as possible.

With primo, that’s just one I’ve never tried. There’s probably pros who still use it.

Dianabol is a solid drug in my opinion. I almost always have some on hand, for a multitude of reasons. It has fallen out of favor with most it seems, and maybe for good reasons. If you stick around long enough, you’ll see a lot of trends come and go. Some compounds were considered sexy, now they’re not. They eventually come full circle again. Conversely, anadrol just does not agree with me, so I don’t use it.

Tbol, I’m not sure on its toxicity level relative to others, but make no mistake, it can certainly make an impact on your liver values.

You’re on the right track though. The best (and only) way to go about it in my opinion is just experiment for yourself. A lot of people say a lot of things. It means dick in the end. Your experience is yours alone, and many will try to extrapolate their experiences with a compound to you. It just doesn’t work that way. Just be smart and choose compounds that align with your goals.

With that being said, I’ve all but phased out orals, the risk to reward has gotten harder to justify as I’ve gotten older. But they do have utility though as far as breaking through plateaus or adding some polish towards the end of a blast, or obvious utility implemented within a prep cycle. I would agree they could hinder your ability to eat like you need to, given enough liver stress, which is obviously counterproductive during a growth phase.