Why one shouldn't do orals only (thousands of threads summed up)

[justOralsTho]

1. You will probably have to PCT anyways
2. Might experience low test sides as cycle goes on
3. Not as many gainz as if u include test
4. real men inject or something

Is that about right?

 

[yelruP]

Oral only cycles make you a giant pussy, and have shit gains that you won’t keep

 

[Kingshit]

Respect ur liver bro… shoot your gear

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Also oral test is going to be a staple it an oral only cycle

 

[Niceguy19]

Kingshit" pid='46580' dateline='1553781455:

Respect ur liver bro… shoot your gear

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Also oral test is going to be a staple it an oral only cycle

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Pin all the mtren!

 

[appropionate]

Kingshit" pid='46580' dateline='1553781455:

Respect ur liver bro… shoot your gear

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Also oral test is going to be a staple it an oral only cycle

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the hepatotoxicity is the no.1 reason for me, wouldn’t feel comfortable running orals for longer than 4-6 weeks even with TUDCA

 

[Rcd3t]

I was only on superdrol and eoi at this time. I don’t advise to take an all oral cycle I certainly am not 100 percent against it depending on what compound is used. Pic was from several years ago.

https://imgur.com/WUrE2Ra

 

[Kingshit]

Niceguy19" pid='46582' dateline='1553782182:

Kingshit" pid='46580' dateline='1553781455:

Respect ur liver bro… shoot your gear

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Also oral test is going to be a staple it an oral only cycle

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Pin all the mtren!

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Crush it up and smoke it bro… it works faster

 

[alphaproject]

On occasion you’ll run into someone like me who saw GREAT gains on just dbol. I didn’t want to go on Test at first until I saw the body changes from Dbol. I put on a good solid 10-14 pounds, far better appetite and better overall feeling especially the first time I used it, wow I felt like superman on dbol. That only happened the first week.
Still, oral only is possible but yea I went on a tiny PCT 2 weeks maybe… if that. but then decided to inject TRT levels to maintain my gains. So I started at 200mg Pharma grade cyp every 7 days. My buddy gave it to me and he had Hunters Test as well. At 44 I’ve never looked back. I’m almost 46…will be in July if I last that long. You never know, lol.

 

[appropionate]

alphaproject" pid='46616' dateline='1553793875:

On occasion you’ll run into someone like me who saw GREAT gains on just dbol. I didn’t want to go on Test at first until I saw the body changes from Dbol. I put on a good solid 10-14 pounds, far better appetite and better overall feeling especially the first time I used it, wow I felt like superman on dbol. That only happened the first week.
Still, oral only is possible but yea I went on a tiny PCT 2 weeks maybe… if that. but then decided to inject TRT levels to maintain my gains. So I started at 200mg Pharma grade cyp every 7 days. My buddy gave it to me and he had Hunters Test as well. At 44 I’ve never looked back. I’m almost 46…will be in July if I last that long. You never know, lol.

you’ve no idea what you are doing but my experience with gymbros >35 year old is that they aren’t exactly ‘big on reading’. you can acquire knowledge, you know, lol.

 

[justOralsTho]

I’m doing an anavar only cycle btw

 

[Johnny]

justOralsTho" pid='46912' dateline='1553979447:

I’m doing an anavar only cycle btw

If you’re not a female, then I don’t get why you feel the need to make every single experienced user on this forum disrespect you in one post.

 

[justOralsTho]

I’ll be slammin back trenbolone soon enough, we all start somewhere man

 

[alphaproject]

I started on a dbol only cycle when I was at my lowest weight and it REALLY helped gain me some quick size and energy. Then I did a PCT, then right to TRT.
Dbol is really good to me since I’m so lean… really fills out my shoulders.

I don’t know how often you should cycle in Dbol but I usually take a break for a good month then go back on it for, depending on the source 25 or 50 days.

Just under 2 months max. But I lower my Test Dose while on it. Now that I’m not on it I’m running 325-375 a week.

 

[justOralsTho]

Why right to TRT after a PCT?

 

[system]

If you wanna run an oral only cycle and are afraid of big scary needles just use slin pins and shoot .1 ml of test e/c in your stomach fat every day/every other day (exactly how a diabetic would inject insulin). The needles are literally shorter than a penny and as thin as a staple. It’ll bring your levels high enough to keep your mental state healthy and aid tremendously in your ability to gain/recover.

 

[justOralsTho]

not scared of pinning, have a RN girl that will teach me how to pin/do my pins for me if I want.

there are long-term sides to test abuse even when you PCT properly, and I feel like going with what I consider the safest anabolic (anavar) first feels like the safest way to go.

This shit is a marathon, if everything goes well I can add a test base next cycle.

I think I will buy some test prop anyways just in case low test sides fuck me up.

 

[system]

justOralsTho" pid='47860' dateline='1554612390:

not scared of pinning, have a RN girl that will teach me how to pin/do my pins for me if I want.

there are long-term sides to test abuse even when you PCT properly, and I feel like going with what I consider the safest anabolic (anavar) first feels like the safest way to go.

This shit is a marathon, if everything goes well I can add a test base next cycle.

I think I will buy some test prop anyways just in case low test sides fuck me up.

The dosing protocol I suggested would put you in the same range as you are in naturally. It isn’t comparable to abuse at that point.

Additionally, Anavar is worse for you than testosterone is and an Anavar only cycle is going to leave your health markers worse off than a basic testosterone cycle would.

Finally, citing the ‘long term sides’ as your reason for not using it now and then saying you’ll just use it next run directly contradict one another. Those long term risks/sides don’t change between now and your next cycle, they’re still going to be there. It would be wise for you to stop going off of what ‘feels safer’ and actually go off of what …is safer.

 

[justOralsTho]

“Additionally, Anavar is worse for you than testosterone is and an Anavar only cycle is going to leave your health markers worse off than a basic testosterone cycle would.”

Uh, maybe for your liver? Testosterone can have some severely debilitating lifelong side effects, and the rate of gyno surgery in roid communities when people speak candidly is lulzy. Also the amount of people on perma TRT is an enormous red flag, for me at least. Especially when combined with long-term sides even for those that PCT properly.

Can you link me to some literature that backs up a 40-50mg/day for 4-6weeks of Anavar leaves you more fucked than a standard 12wk test cycle? I really would appreciate the knowledge bomb!

"Finally, citing the ‘long term sides’ as your reason for not using it now and then saying you’ll just use it next run directly contradict one another. Those long term risks/sides don’t change between now and your next cycle, they’re still going to be there. It would be wise for you to stop going off of what ‘feels safer’ and actually go off of what …is safer. "

You’re right, that won’t change. But, when compared to the possible sides of people that respond poorly - balding, mood swings, gyno, full shutdown, lactation, bloat, acne, abscesses, etc. it feels like a 40-50mg/d anavar cycle with cardio and liver support is the way to go. The sides list on most sites I’ve checked are 2-3x as long for test than for oxandrolone, although these are for non-supraphysiological doses. (On top of the long-term sides for test).

I do like your suggestion and will research it!

 

[alphaproject]

justOralsTho" pid='47801' dateline='1554577899:

Why right to TRT after a PCT?

Well… I had put on such good size I didn’t want to lose it. I felt like fuck it, I’m 45 why not just go on TRT.

Gained more mass than I ever have even on 200mg of Test at first.

Since have backslid a bit from being bed ridden. I lost a good 5 pounds. Hard to get back. Eating and drinking more.
Still running into leg cramps a bit for no reason and even some foot cramps. Strange… toes curl up.

So I went from 126 to 160 on dbol and TRT dosage - now I’m 155.

 

[system]

justOralsTho" pid='47865' dateline='1554621273:

“Additionally, Anavar is worse for you than testosterone is and an Anavar only cycle is going to leave your health markers worse off than a basic testosterone cycle would.”

Uh, maybe for your liver? Testosterone can have some severely debilitating lifelong side effects, and the rate of gyno surgery in roid communities when people speak candidly is lulzy. Also the amount of people on perma TRT is an enormous red flag, for me at least. Especially when combined with long-term sides even for those that PCT properly.

Can you link me to some literature that backs up a 40-50mg/day for 4-6weeks of Anavar leaves you more fucked than a standard 12wk test cycle? I really would appreciate the knowledge bomb!

"Finally, citing the ‘long term sides’ as your reason for not using it now and then saying you’ll just use it next run directly contradict one another. Those long term risks/sides don’t change between now and your next cycle, they’re still going to be there. It would be wise for you to stop going off of what ‘feels safer’ and actually go off of what …is safer. "

You’re right, that won’t change. But, when compared to the possible sides of people that respond poorly - balding, mood swings, gyno, full shutdown, lactation, bloat, acne, abscesses, etc. it feels like a 40-50mg/d anavar cycle with cardio and liver support is the way to go. The sides list on most sites I’ve checked are 2-3x as long for test than for oxandrolone, although these are for non-supraphysiological doses. (On top of the long-term sides for test).

I do like your suggestion and will research it!

Anavar is the arguably the least toxic oral for your liver. It’s your lipids (cholesterol) that it hits, and insanely hard (these impact your heart/arteries in simple terms). Far more than most orals and light years more than a TRT dose of test ever could/would. Gyno isn’t a health marker, is only caused by user error, and the need for TRT isn’t impacted by the health markers we are referring to. You’re confusing health markers with side effects. Don’t want to even risk gyno? Simply take nolva/ralox from the beginning and there is no possibility of you getting it (these drugs block the receptors). You’re parroting the nonsense you’ve Googled and it’s painfully obvious. Stop that man.

Here is plenty of literature found in less than 5 minutes regarding the impact on health markers (lipids specifically) that Anavar brings even in low/therapeutic doses. Why can’t you look this stuff up on your own instead of asking me to spoon feed it to you again? This is all stuff that I already know, stuff that I’ve already researched extensively, and stuff that I’ve already spoken to doctors about (because I am actually prescribed TRT). I don’t need to be looking it up (again), you do.

https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/0021-9150(74)90068-9/pdf
http://www.remedypublications.com/sports-medicine/articles/pdfs_folder/smrj-v2-id1023.pdf
https://watermark.silverchair.com/j...YmbcOixNXoEO_2GtLcdbiBNWAIHQSIStQrNn-nv_jScaA
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2006/02/5...ses-heart-attack-risk-and-causes-liver-damage

Now, like the big boy you are, please go do the same research on a TRT dose of test and see what the conclusions are for the health markers (namely lipids) alongside TRT use. You’ll soon realize how wrong you are in thinking that Anavar is a healthier option than TRT (or even supra physiological levels of test from a traditional dose such as 3-600 mg/wk.). Additionally, the minimal impact that testosterone does have on your health markers (suppression included) is going to be minimized even further should you run it for the same duration you plan on running the Anavar for.

If you’re going to go bald it isn’t because of TRT use. It’s genetic. It may be sped up via supra physiological dosages. The TRT spectrum which I suggested you add in would keep your testosterone in the same range as it was in naturally. Say your natural testosterone is 500 for simplicity take. You take a dose of T that puts you around 500 when running this ‘oral only’ cycle. This doesn’t bring the risks/sides that supra physiological doses bring because your numbers are (roughly, small differences are negligible) the same. Understand?

Mood swings will happen when you come off of Anavar the same way they will when you come off of testosterone. On top of that, you’ll actually have longer lasting/worse mood swings on Anavar only as your testosterone levels will tank while on cycle opposed to if you were using exogenous test where they would only tank upon ending it. Yes, you heard that right, your concerns about testosterone causing mood swings are entirely moot because they will be greater on a Anavar only run.

Shutdown is genetic, drug, dose, and duration dependent. “Permanent shutdown” is untrue. You’re thinking of permanent suppression, and your natural testosterone will be suppressed on Anavar only. The likelihood of experiencing permanent suppression from TRT, a basic test cycle, and/or Anavar are all insanely low.

Lactation is ancillary dependent. This would only occur due to user error. This risk does not change depending on whether you use it now or on your next run. Further, testosterone isn’t the drug which tends to cause lactation unless estrogen is left unmanaged (user error), it’s 19-nor drugs such as nandrolone (deca/npp) and trenbolone.

Bloat is diet, drug, dose, and ancillary dependent. This would occur due to user error and can happen on Anavar if you’re eating like shit just like it can on TRT if you’re eating like shit. It is true that Anavar generally provides a leaner look through intramuscular water retention rather than subcutaneous water retention like other drugs have a greater possibility of doing.

Acne is related primarily to hormones and more so their fluctuations. You’re going to be experiencing far more dramatic fluctuations on an oral only run than you will a properly managed testosterone run, and especially more than a TRT + oral run which would cause less than both oral only and supra physiological test only. If your goal is to minimize acne, your approach is the worst possible out of the 3 outlined.

Abscess is again going to be user error (non sterile environment) and is even less likely/concerning with the subq shots which I suggested. Think about how a diabetic does his/her shots of insulin and that’s exactly what you’d be doing.

As I have stated already, these risks you’re concerned about (even if mistakenly so) all exist regardless of whether you run it now or with your next cycle. Because of this, if you’re going to be using test in the future, they are not valid excuses to avoid using it now. It would make far more sense to be arguing against using testosterone entirely if these sides were actual concerns of yours. In reality, we both know you’re really just looking for any excuse to justify an oral only cycle to yourself lol.

Again, there you go with “it feels”. It doesn’t matter what it feels like in your mind dude. It matters what is true or not. Your feelings don’t dictate the truth. Stop going to sites like WebMD and scaring yourself by reading the “side effects” list. You ever looked up the potential sides for normal every day drugs like tylenol, advil, benedryl, etc.? They’re fucking massive. Going off of the “possible sides” listed on some site you Googled is not only foolish but also dumb (no offense).

Sorry if I’m being mean but you need to learn how to listen instead of trying to argue for/against shit you don’t know anything about and have no experience with.

I’m glad, and I hope you do take the constructive aspect of this into serious consideration.

Please keep in mind that this is coming from somebody who had to go into the doctor’s office every week to get his TRT shots for roughly a year because he was too chicken shit to do it on his own. I understand the irrational fear of needles/injections (even if you claim you aren’t scared, you’re still making up excuses the same way the people who are scared to use do) better than most. I’m not trying to dog on you for it, and if you were to simply say “I acknowledge that I don’t have any valid reason to do an oral only run, but I still wanna do it regardless”, I would respect that and be a-ok with it. My issue is with how you make up these ‘reasons’ for running oral only when they are either fabricated, untrue, or inaccurate.