Chinese ban

[Dexter]

TheHulk" pid='75811' dateline='1574825885:

I really don’t think much will change at all. The Chinese don’t give a fuck about all the drugs in their country. They might try to play it off as they are acting tough to help them politically, but they are too busy with a ton of other problems imo. I think suppliers just wanna make some extra holiday cash and profit off of paranoia

The problem is Trump, if you notice he’s starting to ramp up his comments about Fent and Opiods again. He even sent his wife out to speak about this subject where she was promptly booed.

Trump knows he didn’t do anything to stop opiods, but the real problem is big pharma right here in this country, not China, he’s using them as a scapegoat. I read a story about a guy in Florida that was able to purchase like 250,000 doctor prescribed pills just doing some basic doctor hopping over period of two years. And don’t think Big Pharma based in America doesn’t know this, we’ve all read the stories of how these companies are hiding hundreds of millions for the eventual lawsuit coming.

AAS might kill at the most 5 people a year and that’s almost always some idiot that ignores side effects and keeps going or often times they do narcotics and drop dead like Rich Piana, but they always blame the gear.

 

[Masterofron]

Pharmahgh" pid='75768' dateline='1574799971:

09370z" pid='75751' dateline='1574789096:

I’ve been hearing mixed things about this ban, but admittedly I am a bit nervous. Do you guys really think this is going to affect us?

I think a lot of people are jumping the gun . If you read the article close it mostly refers to stimulants.

I also believe sources are sending out emails to use this time as a ploy to capitalize on peoples fear inn the hopes everyone will but a ton of stuff at once. dont forget this is not coming from the companies them selves, its not posted on there websites, its coming from reps who work on commission and are sending mass emails to there customers or potential customers.

If there is some truth to it, they will leave a loophole and those companies may just have to move to another province to manufacture. steroids have been on the banned list for a while now. They are illegal in hong kong and you know how many packages go through hong kong. I wouldnt worry too much about it

I think you hit the nail on the head here. I bet Landmarkchem has changed the titles of their emails from “RE: RE: RE: YOUR RECENT ORDER INQUIRY” to “BIG SALE, TESTO $500/KG STEROID BAN COMING SOON”.

 

[MEAUX]

Anabolic Doc just did a video on the situation

 

[Dexter]

MEAUX" pid='75841' dateline='1574852159:

Anabolic Doc just did a video on the situation

I always knew SARMS would end up Sched III. Was never fan of SARMS anyway based on how they trash out your blood work to an almost bizarre level with no real gains.

This all comes down the notion of unfair advantage. This sense of pompous morality or that AAS is for people that are aggressive that could rip your head off at any moment.

I’d love to sit down with the powers that be and discuss this in a rational way and explain to them that you are far more likely to be killed by a shark than AAS and yet beaches are open. There’s a moral aspect to this that really pisses me off, and there’s “big pharma is god” view held by bought of legislators.

 

[meafp]

there’s “big pharma is god” view held by bought of legislators.

It’s all about $$$ - this is the exact same reason new cars have to be sold through dealerships and not direct to consumers. Same reason internet in the US costs multiples of what it does in other countries (in cities - I can understand a higher cost in rural areas). These are government sponsored monopolies - big donors who were able to get laws passed that protect their business models.

But disruption is coming. Tesla effectively broke the dealership model. T-Mobile is rolling out LTE home internet. Streaming services are becoming more popular than cable. Slowly, people are starting to order drugs internationally (legally).

I agree with everyone on this thread - sarms, aas, and ped’s don’t hurt or affect anyone but the user. Isn’t it great that what we do is illegal, and being made harder to obtain, while marijuana is accepted. Funny, I never heard of someone killing anyone in a car accident because they were under the influence of test…

Well, except when the girls drive by and get distracted by the gun show

 

[Dexter]

meafp" pid='75849' dateline='1574865166:

I agree with everyone on this thread - sarms, aas, and ped’s don’t hurt or affect anyone but the user. Isn’t it great that what we do is illegal, and being made harder to obtain, while marijuana is accepted. Funny, I never heard of someone killing anyone in a car accident because they were under the influence of test…

Well, except when the girls drive by and get distracted by the gun show

Trump is basically using drugs that supposedly come from China as a way of getting people, in this country, to okay the huge hit they’re taking due to his retarded trade policies.

Leaders do this all the time. It’s a bait and switch.

Like a Republican that tells you abortion is evil, yet turns around and wants to bomb the world into oblivion with war or wants the death penalty for drug dealers(something Trump is on record saying.

The real problem is that we have an extremely low IQ buffoon in charge of the country, he possess a 30 word vocabulary…great, perfect, tremendous, Huuuge, big league, loser, moron, bad, amazing, out of control…ect. He mixes these words up to make sentences of complete nonsense. We are dealing with a leader that has never sat down and read a book cover to cover, he has no attention span whatsoever. SNL mentioned that they thought he was functionally illiterate when he appeared on their show and couldn’t read the cue cards.

This is a man that is worried about opoids and fent killing people, but has rode bareback with porn stars, prostitutes, playboy bunnies and probably his daughter Ivanka.

China is holding press conferences and discussing Trumps demands to stop the importation of these naughty drugs.

AAS community hasn’t done anything wrong, McDonalds is responsible for killing more people in one month than the entire history of AAS starting from the 50’s.

At the end of the day trump is coming up on the election cycle, it’s that time of year where he has to unzip his pants, whip it out and wave it around to mesmerize a gullible public. Trump knows nothing about public policy, everything he knows and holds dear hangs between his legs, not his ears.

 

[Masterofron]

Dexter" pid='75869' dateline='1574875859:

meafp" pid='75849' dateline='1574865166:

I agree with everyone on this thread - sarms, aas, and ped’s don’t hurt or affect anyone but the user. Isn’t it great that what we do is illegal, and being made harder to obtain, while marijuana is accepted. Funny, I never heard of someone killing anyone in a car accident because they were under the influence of test…

Well, except when the girls drive by and get distracted by the gun show

Trump is basically using drugs that supposedly come from China as a way of getting people, in this country, to okay the huge hit they’re taking due to his retarded trade policies.

Leaders do this all the time. It’s a bait and switch.

Like a Republican that tells you abortion is evil, yet turns around and wants to bomb the world into oblivion with war or wants the death penalty for drug dealers(something Trump is on record saying.

The real problem is that we have an extremely low IQ buffoon in charge of the country, he possess a 30 word vocabulary…great, perfect, tremendous, Huuuge, big league, loser, moron, bad, amazing, out of control…ect. He mixes these words up to make sentences of complete nonsense. We are dealing with a leader that has never sat down and read a book cover to cover, he has no attention span whatsoever. SNL mentioned that they thought he was functionally illiterate when he appeared on their show and couldn’t read the cue cards.

This is a man that is worried about opoids and fent killing people, but has rode bareback with porn stars, prostitutes, playboy bunnies and probably his daughter Ivanka.

China is holding press conferences and discussing Trumps demands to stop the importation of these naughty drugs.

AAS community hasn’t done anything wrong, McDonalds is responsible for killing more people in one month than the entire history of AAS starting from the 50’s.

At the end of the day trump is coming up on the election cycle, it’s that time of year where he has to unzip his pants, whip it out and wave it around to mesmerize a gullible public. Trump knows nothing about public policy, everything he knows and holds dear hangs between his legs, not his ears.

Hey now, you leave Ivanka out of this.

 

[Clawks]

The AAS market is huge in comparison… but if a ban effects our raws in any way similar to RCs were after bans, we are definitely in trouble. Sterons are cheap because of the easy accessibility. I don’t think it will be impossible to procure our drugs, but the prices will almost certainly go up.

I wish I had more to invest in powders right now. May have to settle with a high cruise for a while

 

[meafp]

Personally, I’m going to buy enough test for at least 2 years, along with enough asin for the same period.

Pretty easy to figure out - lets say cruise is 250mg/week and blast is 500mg/week. For one year, 26 weeks blast + 26 weeks cruise
250x26 + 500x26 = 19500mg

Depending on source, lets say each vial is 10ml x 250mg/ml - each vial is 2500mg

19500 / 2500 = 8 vials for a year of test. I would play it safe and go 9 vials. So 2 years = 18 vials

Cost for 2 years 18 x $30 = $540

Asin - usually need 1 tab per week, so 104 tabs / 30tabs/pack = 4 packs, with 16 extra tabs.

Cost for 2 years 4 x $40 = $160

Total to cover test and ai for 2 years = $700

Not terrible. It’s more than I would want to spend right now, but I don’t see prices dropping from their current levels. Basically, I would spend at least this much purchasing 6 months at a time anyway, if prices don’t rise. $700 for 2 years is only $30/month. If you had insurance, TRT would still cost more than that.

 

[dexes]

Dexter" pid='75842' dateline='1574856347:

MEAUX" pid='75841' dateline='1574852159:

Anabolic Doc just did a video on the situation

I always knew SARMS would end up Sched III. Was never fan of SARMS anyway based on how they trash out your blood work to an almost bizarre level with no real gains.

This all comes down the notion of unfair advantage. This sense of pompous morality or that AAS is for people that are aggressive that could rip your head off at any moment.

I’d love to sit down with the powers that be and discuss this in a rational way and explain to them that you are far more likely to be killed by a shark than AAS and yet beaches are open. There’s a moral aspect to this that really pisses me off, and there’s “big pharma is god” view held by bought of legislators.

Where did you read about sarms causing horrific bloodwork? Sarms and even moreso injectable sarms have little to no side effects. I have used sarms many times and my blood work has remain consistent. I can recall my liver one, of them was very slightly elevated. I’d say not the sarms is the direct cause. My first use of sarms was pre-steroids and I was paranoid and had bloodwork everything looked great.These cycles varied from 1-3 sarm stakcs. Orals I’d gain 3-6lb and injectables 6-10lbs. This is keepable body mass, incredible imo… Cardarine can improve good cholesterol as well. At the end of the day is this area of PED’s studied as much as testosterone, var, dbol, hgh etc, no. I feel comfortable using them, especially bridging with injectble LGD to gain keepable mass. I’d encourage you to explore them and the community. Especially for anybody who doesnt want to be “off” completely.

 

[Lalez22]

Ok so tiL from this thread that Liberals use AAS, learn something new everyday lol.

And btw, Trump is like 72 and sleeps like 4 hours a night, working, drilling hotties, traveling, talking shit, golfing…you know his Dr’s are injecting him with Chinas finest bruh

 

[BigA]

Of course, a lot of guys think that this market can’t disappear all at once, more or less, the market will have a big change, maybe the price, maybe the quality. If you’re really willing to restock after the change.

 

[Dexter]

Lalez22" pid='75927' dateline='1574945936:

Ok so tiL from this thread that Liberals use AAS, learn something new everyday lol.

And btw, Trump is like 72 and sleeps like 4 hours a night, working, drilling hotties, traveling, talking shit, golfing…you know his Dr’s are injecting him with Chinas finest bruh

I’m not a liberal or conservative. I’d consider accepting a libertarian as long as they don’t bring up any of that God bullsh*t.

Trump fully supports the war on drugs, he fully supports search and seizure of assets. He’s got a hard-on for cops and soldiers, worships them and turns them into hero’s. The militarizing of our police force is something that needs to be done away with, cops should only be seen on our streets when we call them, otherwise they should sit in their stations minding their own business.

Liberals have come up with some of the worst drug laws that have stuck hundreds of thousands of people in prison for victimless crimes. Conservatives love to let the cops run all over our citizens. Either way establishment politics have created so many laws that any of us could spend the rest of our lives in prison on any given day.

 

[Lalez22]

Yea man I get it, however I certainly do vote Republican only because they aren’t out here saying they want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, .223 Semi-Auto Rifles, Glocks, Sigs, SA’s, etc… There are over 100,000,000 gun owners and growing in the USA…the 2nd Amendment is there to protect the 1st Amendment, period, that is what it is designed to do. Anyone spouting off against the owning and legal carrying of guns in the USA just does not understand this country’s founding concept.

Btw, I agree with you, cops are out of control, all the more reason for private citizens to be armed.

“The United States was founded on guns, they are there to protect you from the police” - Ice-T

BTW my breaking point is if they ban Cialis Raws lol

 

[Dexter]

Lalez22" pid='76050' dateline='1575114758:

Yea man I get it, however I certainly do vote Republican only because they aren’t out here saying they want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, .223 Semi-Auto Rifles, Glocks, Sigs, SA’s, etc… There are over 100,000,000 gun owners and growing in the USA…the 2nd Amendment is there to protect the 1st Amendment, period, that is what it is designed to do. Anyone spouting off against the owning and legal carrying of guns in the USA just does not understand this country’s founding concept.

Btw, I agree with you, cops are out of control, all the more reason for private citizens to be armed.

“The United States was founded on guns, they are there to protect you from the police” - Ice-T

BTW my breaking point is if they ban Cialis Raws lol

The 2nd amendment is important. However the 4th amendment is even more important imo.

The ability for you to be searched for just about any reason once you’re out on the street is a huge problem. The conservative courts have made it their mission to allow cops to steam roll over your rights and allow cops, at their discretion to make up whatever reason they want to fulfill reasonable suspicion and or probable cause, and besides cops are shooting citizens left and right for doing nothing more than reaching for their license and registration. They have become a wolf pack of thugs that are taught that we are the enemy and we must die so they can go home and eat dinner with their fat wives every night, all the 2nd amendment in the world won’t save you from that, they’ll blow your a** away even if you are armed to the teeth.

Everyone trumpets on and on about how being a cop is so dangerous, but only about 50-60 die every year, that’s nothing in terms of workplace occupational safety, you’re far more likely to get killed being a rancher and yet no one calls a rancher a hero for providing us with a nice t-bone steak, which is far more beneficial to me then a bunch of cops trampling on my rights to be left alone.

Gun rights count when you have an army of citizens well armed, but the individual will quickly be cut down if they think the 2nd amendment will accomplish jack squat.

No self respecting AAS user should be voting for anything but a stop to the war on drugs…that’s libertarian. Never trust Rep or Dems, they’re both one in the same, both big government, both prison and military industrial complex, they just wear different clown suits.

This is your 2nd amendment.

 

[Bigboost89]

@“Dexter” We’ve had an exchange before, you certainly aren’t a liberal lol I enjoy your dialogue

I’m curious toward this answer though, as it’s the pivotal foundational issue for most any arguement regarding governance, but who or what gives us our ‘rights’?

 

[Dexter]

Bigboost89" pid='76068' dateline='1575134722:

@“Dexter” We’ve had an exchange before, you certainly aren’t a liberal lol I enjoy your dialogue

I’m curious toward this answer though, as it’s the pivotal foundational issue for most any arguement regarding governance, but who or what gives us our ‘rights’?

If you look to someone to give you rights, those rights can be revoked at any time by that same person.

I don’t think it’s wise to give someone or something the power to grant you privileges.

For me it’s simple, if you have done something that is considered a crime, but it’s a victimless crime, then you have done nothing worthy of punishment.

Any society can create laws that outlaw murder, rape, assault, theft or damage to property that doesn’t belong to them. Restitution, prison or even execution can be carried out for these crimes. These laws could fit on a 3x5 postcard and would be easy to remember…basically keep your hands to yourself and don’t touch anyone unless they give you permission, that goes for cops as well.

The problem is when you have armies of lawyers and legislators that have nothing better to do then outlaw everything, to make everything you do a crime, to change the laws as they see fit to stick even more people in prison.

You have to accept a certain amount of chaos and danger in life, if you eliminate it all you end up in a police state, like we have now.

So no I don’t think you need to appeal to a higher power or to a man in a robe to give you rights, you keep it simple and you stick to that simplicity even when things go wrong, because the alternative is even more scary.

 

[RavageStryker]

Dexter" pid='75714' dateline='1574744356:

Trump made a pledge to Americans that he would end the Fent and Opioid crisis in America. It’s election time and he hasn’t accomplished jack sh**. So it’s time to get tough and show the world who’s boss.

So this works two ways. Either trump is impeached which I think would be funny. Or he loses a reelection or he wins and coasts for the next four years doing nothing again.

I don’t see this as a long term problem.

The only problem would be China, if for some reason they felt it their duty to stop the production of AAS and send these lab workers to a gulag than that would be a serious problem. I don’t know enough about China to see this happening, but it could if China is pressed by Trump and his backwards trade policies.

Production could transfer to another part of the world, but quality would probably suffer and there could possibly be a period where you’re taking a gamble injecting anything from this sort of situation.

So here’s my solution.

I recently ordered enough AAS and ancillary raws to last me 10 years. I tripled bagged everything in 7mil mylar, removed the oxygen and filled it with inert gas, placed in canning jars with silicon to absorb any moisture and put them in a temperature controlled vault away from my home of which only I know the location. Cost me a penny and a lot of work to weigh out and pack all this stuff in doses that i would use each year, but it was worth it.

I no longer have to worry about what this buffoon of a president we currently have is gonna do next.

Sadly Americans aren’t anywhere smart enough to elect a libertarian for president, seems odd for a country that goes on and on about freedom and yet elects people that want to take even more of it away year after year.

actually he has done something about the opioid crisis. my ex-wife was getting tons of oxys and whatever else she was doing. now her pills are regulated to only a certain amount per month. and walmart has also regulated those pills as well. so yes, something has been done.

 

[Dexter]

RavageStryker" pid='76122' dateline='1575210698:

actually he has done something about the opioid crisis. my ex-wife was getting tons of oxys and whatever else she was doing. now her pills are regulated to only a certain amount per month. and walmart has also regulated those pills as well. so yes, something has been done.

Honestly that’s great for your wife. However the war on drugs must stop. A women on opiods isn’t my concern.

Taking people and putting them in cages for years, giving them a record that follows them for life. That to me is a much bigger problem.

I’m not a leftist, I’m for extremely small government, basically just someone to deal with murderers, rapists, assaults, theft or damage to property that doesn’t belong to the perp.

That’s it, we don’t want legislators trying to save us, if your ex-wife od’s and dies, that’s far less harm to society than putting people in prison. I know that’s harsh, but that’s reality.

Lets put it this way, if drug laws worked, then wouldn’t we have fixed the problem by now. It was Nixon back in the early 70’s that declared this war, all it’s done is destroy peoples lives by entering them into a corrupt criminal justice system.

Tobacco kills 400K+, alcohol kills 150K+. No matter where we see drug laws, even in Saudi Arabia where they drag people out into a public square and lop their head off, they still have to drag some poor sap out in the square every year, year after year to do the same thing…obviously even this doesn’t work.

The bottom line is, people like drugs, all sorts of drugs. Make them legal and those that were gonna do them anyway at least won’t go to prison which is a crime against humanity.

As for Trump, he is the absolute worst as far as us getting AAS to be legal one day. The truth is Bernie Sanders is the only mainstream candidate that has discussed no prison for people that use drugs…that’s the only guy I’ve seen discuss this, everyone else is all about locking people up both conservatives and liberals.

Of course libertarians are against the war on drugs, but there just aren’t enough free thinkers in this country to question the police state we live in, so we are stuck with this insane two party system.

 

[Paladin200]

Dexter" pid='76106' dateline='1575173125:

Bigboost89" pid='76068' dateline='1575134722:

@“Dexter” We’ve had an exchange before, you certainly aren’t a liberal lol I enjoy your dialogue

I’m curious toward this answer though, as it’s the pivotal foundational issue for most any arguement regarding governance, but who or what gives us our ‘rights’?

If you look to someone to give you rights, those rights can be revoked at any time by that same person.

I don’t think it’s wise to give someone or something the power to grant you privileges.

For me it’s simple, if you have done something that is considered a crime, but it’s a victimless crime, then you have done nothing worthy of punishment.

Any society can create laws that outlaw murder, rape, assault, theft or damage to property that doesn’t belong to them. Restitution, prison or even execution can be carried out for these crimes. These laws could fit on a 3x5 postcard and would be easy to remember…basically keep your hands to yourself and don’t touch anyone unless they give you permission, that goes for cops as well.

The problem is when you have armies of lawyers and legislators that have nothing better to do then outlaw everything, to make everything you do a crime, to change the laws as they see fit to stick even more people in prison.

You have to accept a certain amount of chaos and danger in life, if you eliminate it all you end up in a police state, like we have now.

So no I don’t think you need to appeal to a higher power or to a man in a robe to give you rights, you keep it simple and you stick to that simplicity even when things go wrong, because the alternative is even more scary.

oh look , a post dexter made that sounds completely rational and i agree with completely.

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Dexter" pid='76161' dateline='1575558662:

RavageStryker" pid='76122' dateline='1575210698:

actually he has done something about the opioid crisis. my ex-wife was getting tons of oxys and whatever else she was doing. now her pills are regulated to only a certain amount per month. and walmart has also regulated those pills as well. so yes, something has been done.

Honestly that’s great for your wife. However the war on drugs must stop. A women on opiods isn’t my concern.

Taking people and putting them in cages for years, giving them a record that follows them for life. That to me is a much bigger problem.

I’m not a leftist, I’m for extremely small government, basically just someone to deal with murderers, rapists, assaults, theft or damage to property that doesn’t belong to the perp.

That’s it, we don’t want legislators trying to save us, if your ex-wife od’s and dies, that’s far less harm to society than putting people in prison. I know that’s harsh, but that’s reality.

Lets put it this way, if drug laws worked, then wouldn’t we have fixed the problem by now. It was Nixon back in the early 70’s that declared this war, all it’s done is destroy peoples lives by entering them into a corrupt criminal justice system.

Tobacco kills 400K+, alcohol kills 150K+. No matter where we see drug laws, even in Saudi Arabia where they drag people out into a public square and lop their head off, they still have to drag some poor sap out in the square every year, year after year to do the same thing…obviously even this doesn’t work.

The bottom line is, people like drugs, all sorts of drugs. Make them legal and those that were gonna do them anyway at least won’t go to prison which is a crime against humanity.

As for Trump, he is the absolute worst as far as us getting AAS to be legal one day. The truth is Bernie Sanders is the only mainstream candidate that has discussed no prison for people that use drugs…that’s the only guy I’ve seen discuss this, everyone else is all about locking people up both conservatives and liberals.

Of course libertarians are against the war on drugs, but there just aren’t enough free thinkers in this country to question the police state we live in, so we are stuck with this insane two party system.

im for extremely small government “bernie sanders” WTF?
LOL