Finasteride demolished my Hormones and gave me Sexual problems. Ask me anything.

[harrytech]

I am a 24y/o male who got severe side effects from Finasteride including low T, low GH, Low libido, No morning wood, Penile numbness, Peyronie's disease(due to lack of blood flow). I was lucky that I didn't got any mental or neurological side effects. I have it all documented from my blood tests and imaging scans. I still have been going to the gym consistently but I did not see any gains from last year to this year, my weight increased but its mostly fat and little no muscle, this medication can cause muscle loss. I probably did a good job to prevent that even though I did not gain muscle size.

Finasteride is a steroidal medicine which is used to prevent hair-loss. I took it in the beginning of 2021 for 3 months and since then I had consistent side effects. I am aware and 100% agree with the fact that only minority of people get these side effects.. However, I am one of the exceptions. My life has been very tough since 2021. I have researched a lot to fix my problems For now I have solved Digestive issues, somewhat of low T, and Penile numbness. Low libido, low GH , no morning wood, and slight peyronie's plaque still exists.

****STEROIDS AND SUPPLEMENTS****
My doctor has prescribed me Testosterone Undecaonate cream, but I don't take it often because my gonadal health is already compromised. My current protocol is HCG 300IU EOD and Ipamorelin 300IU EOD, Undecaonate cream 50mg 2X week, Vitamin D 4000IU ED, K2 200mg ED, CIALIS 2.5 5 times a week, Anastrozole 0.2mg per week and COq10 400mg. I was going to buy GH but after careful consideration and guidance of some helpful members I have decided not to.

 

[ChevoGuap]

Dude you are doing this to yourself. You are half-assing your TRT which is doing enough to shut you down but never bringing your levels up to normal.

Either listen to your doctor or don't. You're not a celebrity this isn't some AMA. You shut down your balls, now the doctor is giving you test to replace the lost hormones, but you're not taking it. Of course you feel like shit. What do you even want anyone to say?? And why are you taking an AI if you're not even taking your test? You have no test, and you're crashing your estrogen too. Everything you are doing is completely wrong. You need to start from square one and do it right or just quit.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I agree with above.

The problem with DHT blockers is that DHT is perhaps the most important feel good hormone a man produces. DHT is the caveman hormone, it's the knuckle dragging, hairy gorilla, deep voice, it's really the true male hormone, the only problem is it can effect the prostate by causing enlargement, if it wasn't for this one side effect every man on the planet would be using DHT.

Step 1. Screw your hair, who cares about hair. I've been shaving my head with balding clippers for 15 years. Don't try to hold onto your hair by taking pills and rubbing shit on your lettuce.

Step 2. Quit taking all that shit you're taking. Either use T or don't use it, but all that ancillary stuff has to go.

For right now get yourself a vial of masteron(drostanolone propionate) and get those DHT levels up so you can feel like a man and have erections so hard and uncontrollable that you will be considered a danger to the public. Only use the Prop version of this stuff.

You can use the transdermal cream to get your DHT levels up as well as as this is known to actually convert more T to DHT from 5-alpha-reductase.

If you want to recover natural production then you're gonna have to just quit everything and get your labs run in about 2 months and monitor your LH/FSH/Total&Free T every 6 weeks after to see if your natural production is kicking in.

If it fails then go on T and come to terms with losing your hair by shaving your head and moving on with your life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drostanolone_propionate​

 

[Deleted member 21405]

So you're refusing testosterone, but taking HCG that will increase estrogen and arimidex which will lower estrogen.... You having some changes or you just trying to see how much nonsense your body can take?

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I agree with above.

The problem with DHT blockers is that DHT is perhaps the most important feel good hormone a man produces. DHT is the caveman hormone, it's the knuckle dragging, hairy gorilla, deep voice, it's really the true male hormone, the only problem is it can effect the prostate by causing enlargement, if it wasn't for this one side effect every man on the planet would be using DHT.

Step 1. Screw your hair, who cares about hair. I've been shaving my head with balding clippers for 15 years. Don't try to hold onto your hair by taking pills and rubbing shit on your lettuce.

Step 2. Quit taking all that shit you're taking. Either use T or don't use it, but all that ancillary stuff has to go.

For right now get yourself a vial of masteron(drostanolone propionate) and get those DHT levels up so you can feel like a man and have erections so hard and uncontrollable that you will be considered a danger to the public. Only use the Prop version of this stuff.

You can use the transdermal cream to get your DHT levels up as well as as this is known to actually convert more T to DHT from 5-alpha-reductase.

If you want to recover natural production then you're gonna have to just quit everything and get your labs run in about 2 months and monitor your LH/FSH/Total&Free T every 6 weeks after to see if your natural production is kicking in.

If it fails then go on T and come to terms with losing your hair by shaving your head and moving on with your life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drostanolone_propionate​

100%.

 

[harrytech]

So you're refusing testosterone, but taking HCG that will increase estrogen and arimidex which will lower estrogen.... You having some changes or you just trying to see how much nonsense your body can take?

Good questions. My gonads don't work on Testosterone, they get shut down. I am taking HCG because it is a LH receptor agonist and increases testosterone by fixing secondary hypogonadism. My testes were producing literally 0 sperm last year, I cannot even explain how bad it was for me and I was only 23 last year. Sperm prodcution has improved a lot over the last year. The other thing is, testosterone increased by HCG is administration is more prone to Aromatization compared to normal injectable testosterone esters. I started having nipple sensitivity as well, to did some blood tests and my estrogen was on closer to the end, to prevent gyno and in order for me to bring it to normal levels, I incorporated Arimidex at 0.2mg/week. Can you explain me what I am doing wrong?

 

[harrytech]

I agree with above.

The problem with DHT blockers is that DHT is perhaps the most important feel good hormone a man produces. DHT is the caveman hormone, it's the knuckle dragging, hairy gorilla, deep voice, it's really the true male hormone, the only problem is it can effect the prostate by causing enlargement, if it wasn't for this one side effect every man on the planet would be using DHT.

Step 1. Screw your hair, who cares about hair. I've been shaving my head with balding clippers for 15 years. Don't try to hold onto your hair by taking pills and rubbing shit on your lettuce.

Step 2. Quit taking all that shit you're taking. Either use T or don't use it, but all that ancillary stuff has to go.

For right now get yourself a vial of masteron(drostanolone propionate) and get those DHT levels up so you can feel like a man and have erections so hard and uncontrollable that you will be considered a danger to the public. Only use the Prop version of this stuff.

You can use the transdermal cream to get your DHT levels up as well as as this is known to actually convert more T to DHT from 5-alpha-reductase.

If you want to recover natural production then you're gonna have to just quit everything and get your labs run in about 2 months and monitor your LH/FSH/Total&Free T every 6 weeks after to see if your natural production is kicking in.

If it fails then go on T and come to terms with losing your hair by shaving your head and moving on with your life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drostanolone_propionate​

Thats my plan, I am going to stop my current protocol in two weeks. Then, I am planning to use KISSPEPTIN-10 for PCT to stimulate my Pituitary. And after a month of PCT with KISSPEPTIN, I will wait for 2 months and then I will get the blood tests to see where my natural hormone levels are at. Have you tried the transdermal DHT cream?

 

[Thrasymachus]

Thats my plan, I am going to stop my current protocol in two weeks. Then, I am planning to use for PCT to stimulate my Pituitary. And after a month of PCT with KISSPEPTIN, I will wait for 2 months and then I will get the blood tests to see where my natural hormone levels are at. Have you tried the transdermal DHT cream?

I'd just stop your current protocol right now. You will gain nothing by using that protocol and it will have no impact on your health if you stop.

As for DHT gel. DHT serves the purpose of tissue specific amplification.....skin and prostate and when going through puberty to increase genital size and function by taking what little T there is circulating and amplifying T by converting it to DHT for these specific tissues.

T and DHT has cross function for all other tissues that have androgen receptors and no 5-alpha-reductase.

The question is does the DHT that is manufactured for anabolic steroid users serve the same function as natural endogenous DHT produced from 5-alpha-reductase. I say it doesn't across the board for all DHT compounds, but Masteron does seem to be a particularly powerful androgen and so it's not suggested for use by women, where's women can use other forms of DHT compounds without taking on male characteristics if they keep the doses low at all times.

DHT will suppress production of LH and so it will cause a shut down of the gonads as well.

If the goal is to PCT then DHT isn't a good idea, but if you want a pecker that works again, I say use DHT for a short time just to know what it's like to bust a nut again.

I don't use transdermal.

I can tell you how to make your own transdermal T or DHT(stanalone) using Everclear, Isopropyl Myristate, small amounts of DMSO.

If you've got some DHT cream on hand give it a shot, but it will suppress your natural production.

As for KISSPEPTIN-10, I'd be interested in seeing clinical human studies if you have any. I've read up on this compound in the past, but I don't like injecting peptides unless there's human research to know where it's going. There is no drug that has an effect without side effects, no drug has only one isolated effect and if you screw around with your pituitary you'd better know what you're messing with as this involves more than just sexual function and it's not just a low order organ of the brain that does one thing.

 

[gains3000]

W

I agree with above.

The problem with DHT blockers is that DHT is perhaps the most important feel good hormone a man produces. DHT is the caveman hormone, it's the knuckle dragging, hairy gorilla, deep voice, it's really the true male hormone, the only problem is it can effect the prostate by causing enlargement, if it wasn't for this one side effect every man on the planet would be using DHT.

Step 1. Screw your hair, who cares about hair. I've been shaving my head with balding clippers for 15 years. Don't try to hold onto your hair by taking pills and rubbing shit on your lettuce.

Step 2. Quit taking all that shit you're taking. Either use T or don't use it, but all that ancillary stuff has to go.

For right now get yourself a vial of masteron(drostanolone propionate) and get those DHT levels up so you can feel like a man and have erections so hard and uncontrollable that you will be considered a danger to the public. Only use the Prop version of this stuff.

You can use the transdermal cream to get your DHT levels up as well as as this is known to actually convert more T to DHT from 5-alpha-reductase.

If you want to recover natural production then you're gonna have to just quit everything and get your labs run in about 2 months and monitor your LH/FSH/Total&Free T every 6 weeks after to see if your natural production is kicking in.

If it fails then go on T and come to terms with losing your hair by shaving your head and moving on with your life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drostanolone_propionate​

Why MAST P only? mast e is same thing

 

[Thrasymachus]

W



Why MAST P only? mast e is same thing

Try it out yourself. Mast P for some odd reason hits harder than Mast E even if you use more Mast E.

Mast E for me is weak sauce.

Normally esters make no difference at all, but in this case I'm not the only one reporting Prop being the better ester.

Same thing with NPP, I much prefer it to the Decanoate ester for Nandrolone even if they are the same dose mg in proportion to the percentage of ester making up the compound.

 

[ChevoGuap]

I don't know why you're trying to re-write the science but you clearly do not know what's best as you've had no positive results. So I'd highly suggest you take the advice of people who have different ideas because yours aren't working.

Your balls aren't working, period. If you were producing 0 sperm and have low Test levels then you are doing no damage whatsoever by at least supplementing your test levels through injections to help the shitty sides of low T. But if you genuinely want to keep treating yourself like a lab rat and make no progress go ahead. Just stop posting an AMA when it doesn't work out.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I don't know why you're trying to re-write the science but you clearly do not know what's best as you've had no positive results. So I'd highly suggest you take the advice of people who have different ideas because yours aren't working.

Your balls aren't working, period. If you were producing 0 sperm and have low Test levels then you are doing no damage whatsoever by at least supplementing your test levels through injections to help the shitty sides of low T. But if you genuinely want to keep treating yourself like a lab rat and make no progress go ahead. Just stop posting an AMA when it doesn't work out.

I'm very confused what's trying to be accomplished by the op. It makes zero sense.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I'm very confused what's trying to be accomplished by the op. It makes zero sense.

He looks like he's trying to solve the low T problem by ramping up his hypothalamus to produce gonadotropin-releasing hormone, and ramping up his pituitary gland to make follicle-stimulating hormone ( FSH ) and luteinizing hormone ( LH ) with the hope that his leydig cells to produce testosterone.

It's a logical thing to do, the problem is this method involves a poly-pharmacy that throws you all out of whack and in his case his body as a male is completely out of balance.

This is why I have suggested that people cycle on and off TRT to let the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis to turn back on to maintain function in the event should you have to discontinue therapy. In this sense it's more like a cycle on and off that allows you to keep your balls plumped up.

I've long thought hCG or anything used as a LH analog isn't the real thing and causes too many sides. Better to use TRT and then come off about every 4-6 months to recover function.

I compare shutting the balls and brain down for years on end, like taking someone that can still walk and making them sit in a wheelchair for the rest of their life as their legs atrophy and waste away, shutting parts of your body down and letting them whither is something people should think about.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

He looks like he's trying to solve the low T problem by ramping up his hypothalamus to produce gonadotropin-releasing hormone, and ramping up his pituitary gland to make follicle-stimulating hormone ( FSH ) and luteinizing hormone ( LH ) with the hope that his leydig cells to produce testosterone.

It's a logical thing to do, the problem is this method involves a poly-pharmacy that throws you all out of whack and in his case his body as a male is completely out of balance.

This is why I have suggested that people cycle on and off TRT to let the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis to turn back on to maintain function in the event should you have to discontinue therapy. In this sense it's more like a cycle on and off that allows you to keep your balls plumped up.

I've long thought hCG or anything used as a LH analog isn't the real thing and causes too many sides. Better to use TRT and then come off about every 4-6 months to recover function.

I compare shutting the balls and brain down for years on end, like taking someone that can still walk and making them sit in a wheelchair for the rest of their life as their legs atrophy and waste away, shutting parts of your body down and letting them whither is something people should think about.

I messed myself up with the juice so now I'm on TRT. Am I perma-fucked?

 

[imagepb]

Wait wait wait ….

To OP….

Why were you on finasteride originally? There’s a backstory we are missing here.

 

[harrytech]

He looks like he's trying to solve the low T problem by ramping up his hypothalamus to produce gonadotropin-releasing hormone, and ramping up his pituitary gland to make follicle-stimulating hormone ( FSH ) and luteinizing hormone ( LH ) with the hope that his leydig cells to produce testosterone.

It's a logical thing to do, the problem is this method involves a poly-pharmacy that throws you all out of whack and in his case his body as a male is completely out of balance.

This is why I have suggested that people cycle on and off TRT to let the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis to turn back on to maintain function in the event should you have to discontinue therapy. In this sense it's more like a cycle on and off that allows you to keep your balls plumped up.

I've long thought hCG or anything used as a LH analog isn't the real thing and causes too many sides. Better to use TRT and then come off about every 4-6 months to recover function.

I compare shutting the balls and brain down for years on end, like taking someone that can still walk and making them sit in a wheelchair for the rest of their life as their legs atrophy and waste away, shutting parts of your body down and letting them whither is something people should think about.

I would use TRT but TRT caused my gonads to shut down, HCG does not do that to me. That and I don't want to take TRT for the rest of my life, because it will decrease my longevity. Once, I recover my gonadal and HPTA function, I am not planning to use any of these compounds. My methods, does includes poly-pharmacy approach, yes, but why would it throw me out of whack? can you elaborate please?

 

[harrytech]

Wait wait wait ….

To OP….

Why were you on finasteride originally? There’s a backstory we are missing here.

Hairloss. General practitioner prescribed me this med and I took it for 3 months at 1mg dose. Its a rare side effect of this med and its called PFS. I am one of the unlucky ones

 

[harrytech]

I don't know why you're trying to re-write the science but you clearly do not know what's best as you've had no positive results. So I'd highly suggest you take the advice of people who have different ideas because yours aren't working.

Your balls aren't working, period. If you were producing 0 sperm and have low Test levels then you are doing no damage whatsoever by at least supplementing your test levels through injections to help the shitty sides of low T. But if you genuinely want to keep treating yourself like a lab rat and make no progress go ahead. Just stop posting an AMA when it doesn't work out.

I explained in my post that I had fixed and improved many things, please refer to my post.
I was producing very low sperm last year, my fertility/libido has already increased compared to last year and my baseline hormone profile is also getting better. Also, I have tried TRT and it shuts down my gonads. My body cannot handle it.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I explained in my post that I had fixed and improved many things, please refer to my post.
I was producing very low sperm last year, my fertility/libido has already increased compared to last year and my baseline hormone profile is also getting better. Also, I have tried TRT and it shuts down my gonads. My body cannot handle it.

Yes TRT does shut down your HTPG axis.

That said there are ways to dose in order to keep your balls working.

You can either short cycle on and off.

You can use much less T than what most people use, like 20mg/week which will allow you to get just what you need, but allow levels to drop off enough to where you natural production isn't shut off completely.

You can use short esters like acetate or base that will clear the body faster and allow natural production to kick in again.

Regardless it's really about using a lot less than what is normally prescribed or used by most men.

The problem with these other drugs either analogs of LH or SERMS that will ramp up natural production of LH and FSH is that they in my honest opinion are far more harmful than just a low dose T protocol with longer gaps between injections to keep your gonads working off and on constantly. People don't stop to think about the effect on the brain, E2 is perhaps the most protective to the brain of the hormones as far as cognition.

As for longevity and the use of T. I agree that men who use higher dose T are probably not gonna live as long as they would have had they used a much lower dose TRT. That said if a man is really naturally low T, that is also gonna shorten his life and possibly diminish the quality of his life severely. A man that has rock bottom levels of T will lose muscle mass, bone density, energy, stamina, it's really hard to go through life with low T and I suspect more than a few men have committed suicide due to being low T/DHT and didn't realize a little T and DHT could have turned their lives around and kept them going.

The only problem with TRT is the increase in hematocrit, that one problem is the main issue that needs to be addressed and it's a big one and extremely complex and sometimes it can't be solved and forces the person to decide that they'll just have to live with this problem or completely stop all use of anabolics.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Yes TRT does shut down your HTPG axis.

That said there are ways to dose in order to keep your balls working.

You can either short cycle on and off.

You can use much less T than what most people use, like 20mg/week which will allow you to get just what you need, but allow levels to drop off enough to where you natural production isn't shut off completely.

You can use short esters like acetate or base that will clear the body faster and allow natural production to kick in again.

Regardless it's really about using a lot less than what is normally prescribed or used by most men.

The problem with these other drugs either analogs of LH or SERMS that will ramp up natural production of LH and FSH is that they in my honest opinion are far more harmful than just a low dose T protocol with longer gaps between injections to keep your gonads working off and on constantly. People don't stop to think about the effect on the brain, E2 is perhaps the most protective to the brain of the hormones as far as cognition.

As for longevity and the use of T. I agree that men who use higher dose T are probably not gonna live as long as they would have had they used a much lower dose TRT. That said if a man is really naturally low T, that is also gonna shorten his life and possibly diminish the quality of his life severely. A man that has rock bottom levels of T will lose muscle mass, bone density, energy, stamina, it's really hard to go through life with low T and I suspect more than a few men have committed suicide due to being low T/DHT and didn't realize a little T and DHT could have turned their lives around and kept them going.

The only problem with TRT is the increase in hematocrit, that one problem is the main issue that needs to be addressed and it's a big one and extremely complex and sometimes it can't be solved and forces the person to decide that they'll just have to live with this problem or completely stop all use of anabolics.

Doesn't donating blood regularly help lower hemoglobin and hematocrit levels?

I've been donating every time I am eligible. My hemoglobin last time was 18.3 on their finger prick, but it's higher with the finger prick and my labs showed 16.x. I am chronically dehydrated so I am trying to make sure I am drinking enough and next time my levels will be better